The Huntsman: Winter's War

[Hunter Rider]

Despite me not liking they focused on the male lead to something I didn't really care for, at least they're making up for it with three female characters played by three great actresses to surround him with. But it still would have been all the better to actually use Snow White in there. Recasting would have been the better way to go instead of just get rid of her altogether.

Having a male lead is annoying but I'm not too mad about it because let's face it - everything in this movie (from the promotions all the way to the reviews) will be all about the ladies. Hemsworth will be an afterthought in this.

I don't get why there is an issue with the male being the lead given it's a prequel about the Huntsman character? The film seems to have 3 lead female characters anyway so it's not like the diversity quota is not being met.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't get why there is an issue with the male being the lead given it's a prequel about the Huntsman character? The film seems to have 3 lead female characters anyway so it's not like the diversity quota is not being met.

Because they took a female led series and turned it into a male led series. And why did they do that? Because the female lead got laid, and people had a fit about. If the male lead was caught cheating, would that have happened? Of course not.

Tom Cruise is flippin' crazy. Involved in blackmailing and other such things, but they don't replace him.

Now am I going to see it if it is good? Probably. But lets not act like this is a mystery.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It does feel like a trend of "even if she's a list, a chick is still replaceable".

I am curious to see what happens to Jennifer Lawrence after the Hunger Games is over. Especially considering how vocal she has been.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I am curious to see what happens to Jennifer Lawrence after the Hunger Games is over. Especially considering how vocal she has been.

Working with Aronofsky next and Spielberg after that.

 

[Majik1387]

The first movie was hardly a female-led movie; yes, it was about Snow White vs the Evil Queen, but it was really the Huntsman and the Dwarves as well as Ravenna's henchman that the movie focused on moving the story forward.

Now this movie has Evil Queen Ravenna, introducing her sister Freya, as well as a female warrior who has ties to the Huntsman. So somehow, the large female to male ratio movie = Male led.

Hype logic.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Because they took a female led series and turned it into a male led series. And why did they do that? Because the female lead got laid, and people had a fit about. If the male lead was caught cheating, would that have happened? Of course not.

Tom Cruise is flippin' crazy. Involved in blackmailing and other such things, but they don't replace him.

Now am I going to see it if it is good? Probably. But lets not act like this is a mystery.

This isn't the same director though, is it? I have no idea what the Cruise stuff is about but he has built up nearly 3 decades of bankability and success, studios are less likely to cast that aside, just like I think if Theron had been the one to have slept with the director this would still be going ahead with her in the Queen role. In the case of Stewart and the director both were seen as expendable and they switched the focus to the more accomplished lead duo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Working with Aronofsky next and Spielberg after that.

Thing is, they hired her during the Hunger Games thing. It is a good way to come off, it but where is she when she is 28-30.

 

[TheVileOne]

The first movie was hardly a female-led movie; yes, it was about Snow White vs the Evil Queen, but it was really the Huntsman and the Dwarves as well as Ravenna's henchman that the movie focused on moving the story forward.

Now this movie has Evil Queen Ravenna, introducing her sister Freya, as well as a female warrior who has ties to the Huntsman. So somehow, the large female to male ratio movie = Male led.

Hype logic.

It was not about the Dwarves. They were minor supporting characters and they only came in midway through the film.

The story was centered on Snow White. Most of the film was through her perspective. She was the one who confronts and vanquishes the evil queen at the end, NOT Huntsman and the Dwarves. Sorry.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Thing is, they hired her during the Hunger Games thing. It is a good way to come off, it but where is she when she is 28-30.

Still acting I'd guess, I mean I don't see why she'd suddenly stop getting roles and I'm not sure she'll be that bothered about blockbuster stuff now she's made her coin, she can pretty much do as she pleases.

 

[Greens]

Neither Snow White nor the Huntsman were interesting in the first movie. This is a lose-lose situation.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The first movie was hardly a female-led movie; yes, it was about Snow White vs the Evil Queen, but it was really the Huntsman and the Dwarves as well as Ravenna's henchman that the movie focused on moving the story forward.

Now this movie has Evil Queen Ravenna, introducing her sister Freya, as well as a female warrior who has ties to the Huntsman. So somehow, the large female to male ratio movie = Male led.

Hype logic.

What is the title of the film? They changed it.

The first film was about Snow White and the Queen. All other characters were working in service of their story. You can have a movie full of female characters, but if their characters work as satellites around one male character, it is a male led movie. This isn't Hype logic, it is narrative logic.

The new Star Wars has more male characters then female characters. It is still a female driven film, why? Because the main character is a female. More male characters then female characters in the Hunger Games. Still a female led franchise.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Thing is, they hired her during the Hunger Games thing. It is a good way to come off, it but where is she when she is 28-30.

I see where you're coming from. Don't worry O' Russell won't leave her side.

 

[Majik1387]

And her story was done in the first film. And no, the Huntsman took over leading the movie the moment he was introduced, as well as all the supporting male cast; Dwarves, Prince, Queen's brother; to the point of casting the ladies to supporting role screen time.

And out of all those characters, only one returning is the Huntsman.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Still acting I'd guess, I mean I don't see why she'd suddenly stop getting roles and I'm not sure she'll be that bothered about blockbuster stuff now she's made her coin, she can pretty much do as she pleases.

I don't doubt she will be acting, but I am curious about her roles. The amount and type of female roles change as they get older, far more drastically then for men.

This isn't the same director though, is it? I have no idea what the Cruise stuff is about but he has built up nearly 3 decades of bankability and success, studios are less likely to cast that aside, just like I think if Theron had been the one to have slept with the director this would still be going ahead with her in the Queen role. In the case of Stewart and the director both were seen as expendable and they switched the focus to the more accomplished lead duo.

Stewart has actually led a legit blockbuster series. Love Hemsworth and Theron, but they don't actually have Stewart's bank numbers, even with Marvel.

That also doesn't change what the did. They could have simply recast the role. They didn't. They cut out the main character and decided to go prequel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I see where you're coming from. Don't worry O' Russell won't leave her side.

Until he decides he is going to go off on her on set. Why did I have to hear that Amy Adams story?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And her story was done in the first film. And no, the Huntsman took over leading the movie the moment he was introduced, as well as all the supporting male cast; Dwarves, Prince, Queen's brother; to the point of casting the ladies to supporting role screen time.

And out of all those characters, only one returning is the Huntsman.

Okay that isn't how narrative works. Did Han become the lead character as soon as he showed up in Star Wars? They even went as far as to put Snow White in armor and have her actually battle the Queen. Also, they didn't leave the movie on a long gaze between the two because, yeah their story was done.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

See that's what I find obnoxious about Hollywood. Hemsworth has been in flop after flop when not playing in a Marvel film and he will continue to get more lead roles than even the biggest female stars. Something is wrong with this picture.

 

[TheVileOne]

I liked Rush, but Rush and Black Hat did not do well.

This movie didn't flop though, and Hemsworth was heavily featured in the marketing campaign.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Because they took a female led series and turned it into a male led series. And why did they do that? Because the female lead got laid, and people had a fit about. If the male lead was caught cheating, would that have happened? Of course not.

Tom Cruise is flippin' crazy. Involved in blackmailing and other such things, but they don't replace him.

Now am I going to see it if it is good? Probably. But lets not act like this is a mystery.

Between destroying female-led franchises, underpaying the lead actresses and the current trend for remakes and rebooting every brand they can get their hands on, Hollywood is in an ugly place. Did you know there is movement afoot, and not just afoot, but at full gallop, to release a remake of A New Hope next month? We're in the 21st Century for Christ sake! What happened to originality and equality?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

See that's what I find obnoxious about Hollywood. Hemsworth has been in flop after flop when not playing in a Marvel film and he will continue to get more lead roles than even the biggest female stars. Something is wrong with this picture.

I love him. But when his Ron Howard flick flops, you won't hear a word. On the other hand Stewart has been in award winning flicks and showing real acting chops and has banked way more money then Hemsworth, as a lead. She is the one gone of course.

 

[Black Narcissus]

See that's what I find obnoxious about Hollywood. Hemsworth has been in flop after flop when not playing in a Marvel film and he will continue to get more lead roles than even the biggest female stars. Something is wrong with this picture.

His fish movie looks awful. EH.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I liked Rush, but Rush and Black Hat did not do well.

This movie didn't flop though, and Hemsworth was heavily featured in the marketing campaign.

The Twilight audience made the first film a hit.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't doubt she will be acting, but I am curious about her roles. The amount and type of female roles change as they get older, far more drastically then for men.

Hollywood is agist more than anything else it's accused of when it comes to women, but Jennifer Lawrence is a long way off her role choices changing.

Stewart has actually led a legit blockbuster series. Love Hemsworth and Theron, but they don't actually have Stewart's bank numbers, even with Marvel.

That also doesn't change what the did. They could have simply recast the role. They didn't. They cut out the main character and decided to go prequel.

Twylight? That's like saying Daniel Radcliffe is a leading man actor or that Tobey Maguire is a box office draw. The huge built in fanbase of the source material draws the box office, not the actor these days.

If they recast then they have to dredge all the sleazy stuff up again, the way they have went is to cut out the two problems and cast 2 new female characters in place, I just don't see the big deal.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I liked Rush, but Rush and Black Hat did not do well.

This movie didn't flop though, and Hemsworth was heavily featured in the marketing campaign.

Rush is amazing. Really captured the time period and F1. As a fan, I couldn't have been happier with it.