The Avengers The "I Believe In Mark Ruffalo!" Support Thread

[Spider-Man '92]

For the casual audience member they could get easily confused I'm sure. After the pretty quick reboot that TIH was, this would put it over the edge.

 

[C. Lee]

People still go to see Batman and James Bond movies.

Yep...people who are into film and watch lots of movies, don't really have a problem with different actors playing the same character...because if you watch enough movies, you will see this happens a lot more than the average teenager thinks it does.

I have seen (approximately, this is off the top of my head) -

33 Tarzan movies with 11 different actors
22 Bond movies with 7 different actors
9 different Batman movies with 7 different actors
7 John Dillenger movies with 7 different actors
8 Superman movies with 4 different actors
15 Billy the Kid movies with 14 different actors
20 Dracula movies with around 15 different actors


It goes on and on.....

 

[Superhero 101]

do u ever get the feeling that Marvel chose Ruffalo because he has worked with RDJ? I don't know if it's just me but most of the cast members some how are connected to another actor i.e
Chris Evans And Chris Hemsworth are really good Friends
Renner And Jackson have both worked together in SWAT
RDJ and Mark in Zodiac
I am not complaining or anything but i just kind of find it cool

 

[Spider-Man '92]

There are times when casting that I'm sure producers will see it as a bonus if actors have a previous encounter. It usually makes things more smoothly and might turn out better for the camera. So it is possible.

 

[bhayes]

well i think its all been about the $$$. That's what its all about in the end. I wish that marvel had got him in on the action. oh well.

I think the main thing is continuity. that is the key. They should try to remind the audience of what happened in the hulk movie because in a way recasting hulk is kinda of a reboot again which can confuse the audience. they need to have a scene where fury and Agent coulson review some footage on a data screen of abomination fighting hulk in New York City streets.

and maybe re-shoot some scene with Mark doing the same things ed did in the previous films in a breif flash back.

Nick Fury should say something to the affect of "yeah we were they monitoring the situation"
"mr banner we know what you are capable of"

In the Hulk Vs animated shorts and the Ultimate Avengers. We see that banner just like in the Bill Bixby version is terrified of become the hulk and there is a feeling of desperation to not get angry or pissed off. So mark needs to convey this same desperation. For some reason Ed doesn't give me that vibe. don't get me wrong i loved his performance.

But that whole inner torture - desparation - fear - buned out man who has had something tragic happen to him. Mark has to convey this and so on.

when we finally get a trailer ai nd when we go to see the film we will all look at the movie to see if they atleast tried to maintain some form continuity with the last hulk movie. Also i think in dialogue they need to say what happened to betty ross.

in the animated movie, they make a connection between the hulk and captain america and the importance and the history behind the super soldier serum and banner's desire to re-create it.

they need to have mark create his own character and be himself but focus on what we last saw Ed. i think that Bruce's focus on meditation techniques in the first film should carry over into avengers. we need to seem him meditate and try to be calm and then someone hits him and he gets pissed off and hulks out.

 

[annie.j88]

Yep...people who are into film and watch lots of movies, don't really have a problem with different actors playing the same character...because if you watch enough movies, you will see this happens a lot more than the average teenager thinks it does.

I have seen (approximately, this is off the top of my head) -

33 Tarzan movies with 11 different actors
22 Bond movies with 7 different actors
9 different Batman movies with 7 different actors
7 John Dillenger movies with 7 different actors
8 Superman movies with 4 different actors
15 Billy the Kid movies with 14 different actors
20 Dracula movies with around 15 different actors


It goes on and on.....

Heh, I don't know what's more impressive, the statistics themselves or the fact you've seen all these films.

very intresting, though. dont forget dr who and sherlock holmes actors as well.

 

[ArtTeacher]

But what you need to keep in mind with that list of movies with different actors playing the lead, how many of them were the type of blockbuster success that Marvel is hoping...banking on...Avengers being?

Were those 20 Dracula movies the tentpole that Marvel is setting Avengers to be? Were films years prior to that 17th Dracula film setting it up for a spectacular event?

I've seen 6 Rocky movies all starring Sylvester Stallone.
4 Die Hard movies starring Bruce Willis.
4 Terminator movies starring Arnold.
4 Rambo movies starring Sly.
3 Star Wars movies starring Harrison Ford.

It goes on and on.....

The point is, what's done is done. Norton is gone and Ruffalo is in. That's not going to change. But there IS time to make sure that the transition for audiences is a great one.
And keeping the 2008 Hulk look is critical, here. And just because there is a new actor playing Banner doesn't mean we need to erase everything and write a completely different Banner, either. It's a different actor playing the same character.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The GA won't make a huge thing out of it. The msot they'll do is, "Whoa, a new guy is playing Banner? What happened to the other guy?" Then get over it. It's not gonna lose money because of it.

 

[ArtTeacher]

The GA won't make a huge thing out of it. The msot they'll do is, "Whoa, a new guy is playing Banner? What happened to the other guy?" Then get over it. It's not gonna lose money because of it.

Great! Then if the G.A. isn't going to make a big deal about it, then they can do it for the fans!

 

[bhayes]

I hope they digitally animate hulk alittle better this time.

Don't get me wrong between ang lee's hulk, ed norton's hulk i think the technology has come a long way. i liked the way hulked looked but it still looks digi-fied.

and even though the digi-hulk in the last hulk movie was really good it still could be more real. i hope they can use enough $$$ to get the animators to really give hulk the feel of real skin-hair and eyes like in this pic.

the hulk should be one of the main attractions in this film. people should go "wow that looks real!"

 

[dark_b]

Norton
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/17/edward-norton-hulk-exit/

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Norton
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/17/edward-norton-hulk-exit/

Good. Hopefully that will put an end to this episode.

 

[misjuevos]

i don't like the hulk because of bruce banner. i like the hulk because of the hulk. so i don't really care who plays banner. i'll hopefully not be waiting for the hulk to appear. let them use the hell out of ruffalo in a hulk sequel. for the avengers, more hulk, less banner.

 

[Obi-Ron]

Norton
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/09/17/edward-norton-hulk-exit/

A true professional.

 

[C. Lee]

Heh, I don't know what's more impressive, the statistics themselves or the fact you've seen all these films.

very intresting, though. dont forget dr who and sherlock holmes actors as well.

I've had a very long time to watch a great many movies.

Actually, I didn't forget those guys...just didn't have the time to list all the multiple actors to play the same character.

But what you need to keep in mind with that list of movies with different actors playing the lead, how many of them were the type of blockbuster success that Marvel is hoping...banking on...Avengers being?

I dare say, all of them were hoping for blockbuster success, few people make movies hoping they bomb.

Were those 20 Dracula movies the tentpole that Marvel is setting Avengers to be? Were films years prior to that 17th Dracula film setting it up for a spectacular event?

The list of movie series that were made expressly to be seen as fully connected series is quite short and of fairly recent invention. The STAR WARS movies fall into the category (even though the first one was made with only the hope that it would recoup its cost of production...the fact that it became so phenominal and allowed Lucas to write out a planned number of sequels with an end was just luck)....other connected movies seen as a whole include the LOTR trilogy and the HARRY POTTER films. There is a chance that the recent Nolan BATMAN movies could come together as an interconnected series leading to a definate ending or giant climax...but that's for the future to tell.

As for some of the movie characters I listed...
The MGM TARZAN movies were a very well put together series. There wasn't a planned epic ending...but it did have many actors in reaccuring roles (in the Weismuller TARZAN's - Weismuller played him 12 times, Maureen O'Sullivan was Jane in 6, Johnny Sheffield played thier son in 8 of them. They worked on keeping continuity in them by mentioning things and people in past movies.

Most of the BOND movies have kept the same continuity even though changing the actors that played him. They continued plot lines, events, and characters from past movies to the new ones. Yes, they recently did a reboot with the Daniel Craig films, but interesting enough kept a main actor playing the same character from the previous continuity.

My point being....there have been many series of movies made of many different characters that were played by multiple actors changing within the series but it didn't stop people from understanding what was going on or from enjoying them.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Agreed;

I'm kind of mystified whenever I read that someone thinks that an explanation is required as to why a character will look different on-screen [because of a recast] or when they percieve said recasting as evidence of a reboot. Baffles me. It really does.

I mean, on stage, lead actors have an understudy to fill in if they are unable to perform. If the understudy is called upon, should the production then be expected to write an explanation into the script as to why the character looks different from the night before? Should they also have to issue a disclaimer that it is the same piece that they are performing and it is not a 're-interpretation' of the works?

A different actor is playing the same character as another one who had the role previously; that's about as simple as it gets.

It's only made complicated by people who seem to want to complicate it.

 

[TX85]

In a news update,http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...-play-the-hulk.

Very interesting!

 

[Alientraveller]

Unsurprising, but to be fair as I understand it from the DVD features Norton never wore a dotted lycra suit on set, he just provided video reference of the Hulk's performance and had his expressions scanned to give the animators inspiration. Hopefully this indicates the Hulk has a more heroic role involving interaction and dialogue with the other Avengers.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I love that news.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Cool news.


Mark seems to be really into this.

 

[Boom]

Dear Marvel,

Get Weta.

The end.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Dear Marvel,

Get Weta.

The end.

Depends on their workload.
Projects like Avatar , Tin Tin and LOTR are so big for them , that they can't handle other VFX for movies unless it's very minor work like District 9.

And if Hobbit gets greenlit for 2012 , WETA will be doing all the shots.

 

[co2]

In a news update,http://www.superherohype.com/news/ar...-play-the-hulk.

Very interesting!

Pretty sure that the Eric Bana version did the motion capture already, so Ruffalo is mistaken. This isn't a new thing to do for the Hulk. In fact, Ang Lee himself provided a lot of Hulk's movement. With the advances in technology since then, this will likely be better though.

I'm ready to support Ruffalo. I was very happy when Norton was cast, because even back in '03 he was who I wanted for Banner, so I was elated when he was finally cast for '08. But what's gone is gone, and Ruffalo seems like a decent enough choice, and it certainly isn't his fault that things didn't work out with Norton. Him mentioning trying to lean toward Bixby's portrayal is a positive for me since I still feel like that was the best Banner we've had so far. My lingering personal concern is how they will treat Hulk in Avengers. I'm of the opinion that next to Cap of course, Banner/Hulk should get a really strong showing in the story that they are developing. I just fear that with the recasting that they will push him aside and that Marvel will make it Ironman's movie.

 

[jadejaws]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/KEEP-HIM-the-SAME/122073527842055

a "work in progress" fan page trying to get the word out on keeping the Hulk's look the same.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Both Norton and ROth have also done mo-cap session for TIH.
I wonder if they're talking about doing on-set mo-cap. That Ruffalo would be wearing the imocap suit and interact with the actors on set. THAT would be a first. They'll have to settle the height issues

EDit :
Also dunno if it's confirmed whether Avengers is going to be 3d but Vulture's last line seems to confirm it :
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/09/mark_ruffalo_on_actually_playi.html

Also, if you needed one more reason to be excited for Avengers, Ruffalo tells he'll be playing history's first-ever 3-D Hulk: "I hope I don't bulge in anyone's face, that's all I have to say."