The Avengers The "I Believe In Mark Ruffalo!" Support Thread

[marcvader]

I'm thinking we'll be getting a nother Hulk film following the Avengers. The Avengers will probably set it up.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Was Karloff's monster in "Frankenstein" not a real character?

Did the Frankenstein monster talk in the original book? Did he have a personality that was completely taken away in that movie?

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

You want to talk pollution? Let's compare the TV series to Ang Lee's masterpiece:

1) The Hulk didn't vehemently stare at moss throughout the series
2) The Hulk stayed one constant height and didn't grow to Mighty Joe Young proportions while looking completely unrelatable to humans at the same time
3) Banner didn't try to strangle women
4) Banner's last name wasn't Krenzler
5) Banner's dad wasn't the Absorbing Man
6) Banner's dad didn't turn into a gigantic jellyfish cloud at the end
7) The first hour of the pilot didn't have people yawning and counting the light switches in the room
8) At no point in the series did a poodle turn green and attack
9) The Hulk didn't look pudgy
10) Foam didn't stop the Hulk and no one died in a bizarre, freeze-frame, campy death scene.

If the TV series was "pollution", then Ang Lee's Hulk was genocide.

Now you want to make a list of the horrible, cheesy things that appeared in the TV show? t: Let's!

I saw an episode where the Hulk hit his calf muscle on a forklift and limped for the rest of the show. How about that "jogging hulk"? You digging that "body builder in green paint" look? Their "Hulk" once lifted a VW beetle...barely. Wasn't "David Banner" a great idea? (You ever hear the reason they changed it? Hilarious) Ever catch the time the Hulk fought Thor? Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWmHEF_PT8E

Gotta love that great music, eh? And the awesome camera work! I think I counted the "Hulk" doing that "flex and roar" thing 10 or 11 times. That doesn't get old. But since his vocal cords mysteriously vanish when he becomes the Hulk (thank god his arms and legs don't disappear) what else can he do? Most real characters might have something to say in that scene...but not "the Hulk"...he just stares, roars, and flexes. Afterward...he jogs away as usual. Yay!

Yep...much better than the Ang Lee movie. (Don't get me wrong...the Ang Lee movie was pretty bad...but not that bad!)

On that I'm with others in thinking taking the best elements from both movies would make for a much better and more successful film, though giving the Hulk a proper personality of his own (and that is a must for me) has yet to even be attempted in any of the 3 live action versions. God knows why the producers/writers/directors keep wimping out on that

Quite a few fans seems to agree that the Hulk should not be a real character in his own movie. The vocal minority judging from the box office.

 

[ArtTeacher]

Did the Frankenstein monster talk in the original book? Did he have a personality that was completely taken away in that movie?

So I guess you're not going to answer my question.

I saw an episode where the Hulk hit his calf muscle, etc., etc., ad nauseam

Yep...much better than the Ang Lee movie.

Yet the TV show went to a fifth season while the Ang Lee movie lasted one weekend before taking one of the biggest 2nd weekend drop-offs around.
I know you hate to admit it, but the TV show had more fans than the movie.

You need to look at all of the changes you mentioned from the TV show that had to do with the Hulk's powers in context: In comics, the Hulk is the strongest. In the TV show, the Hulk was the strongest in that universe. He didn't lift an aircraft carrier because there was never a need for that in the show. The TV show Hulk never tried a feat of strength and failed. Everything he attempted to do, he succeeded.
In Ang Lee's movie, we have Bruce strangling Betty and the Hulk growing to ridiculous heights. And, wow, the Hulk said TWO words versus Lou saying none.

Your complaints about the TV show were things you didn't like (cheesy music, camera shots, Lou flexing, no speaking).
MY complaints about Ang Lee's Hulk were changing the fundamentals of the character, himself (Bruce harming Betty, Absorbing-Dad, Change-O Hulk height, Bruce saying he LIKES losing control and becoming the Hulk in the trailer...AND still no speaking).

But it really begs the question...why are we beating this dead horse about a show that's been off the air for almost 30 years and a cinematic abortion that most of us would require a mind-enema to forget about in the middle of a Mark Ruffalo/Avengers thread? You and I will never agree on matters of the TV show and Ang Lee, so why subject everyone else to our pi$$ing contest?

 

[wobbly]

Quite a few fans seems to agree that the Hulk should not be a real character in his own movie. The vocal minority judging from the box office.

Do they?
Lol, well I certainly aint one of them.

And yes, I think the Box Office does say a lot about what the GA might actually want from a Hulk film. Perhaps a film that is as much about the character of the Hulk as it is about Banner (crazy idea I know).

Think they have maybe seen enough of the grunting plot device turning up for 5 to 10 minutes a few times each flick, so why not try something that has been doing very well for the last 50 years in the books? (another crazy idea..)

 

[Gamma Goliath]

So to try and steer things back to Ruffalo....I hope they comb out that afro thing he has going on, and I hope he loses a bunch of weight.

 

[co2]

Now that's the Hulk I grew up with

Same here. But so was the TV show. I'm living proof that you can like both. In fact, every live action depiction of Hulk has had flaws, but all have overall been really strong in my book. I'm just grateful that as a Hulk fan I have so much good stuff to choose from.

And I think they could make him talk and it will come off just fine.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Yet the TV show went to a fifth season while the Ang Lee movie lasted one weekend before taking one of the biggest 2nd weekend drop-offs around.
I know you hate to admit it, but the TV show had more fans than the movie.

You need to look at all of the changes you mentioned from the TV show that had to do with the Hulk's powers in context: In comics, the Hulk is the strongest. In the TV show, the Hulk was the strongest in that universe. He didn't lift an aircraft carrier because there was never a need for that in the show. The TV show Hulk never tried a feat of strength and failed. Everything he attempted to do, he succeeded.
In Ang Lee's movie, we have Bruce strangling Betty and the Hulk growing to ridiculous heights. And, wow, the Hulk said TWO words versus Lou saying none.

Your complaints about the TV show were things you didn't like (cheesy music, camera shots, Lou flexing, no speaking).
MY complaints about Ang Lee's Hulk were changing the fundamentals of the character, himself (Bruce harming Betty, Absorbing-Dad, Change-O Hulk height, Bruce saying he LIKES losing control and becoming the Hulk in the trailer...AND still no speaking).

But it really begs the question...why are we beating this dead horse about a show that's been off the air for almost 30 years and a cinematic abortion that most of us would require a mind-enema to forget about in the middle of a Mark Ruffalo/Avengers thread? You and I will never agree on matters of the TV show and Ang Lee, so why subject everyone else to our pi$$ing contest?

This.

Ang Lee's film was pretty bad. Also, the Hulk tv series left a much, much better impression on people than Ang Lee's film. I consider TIH much superior. It doesn't go as deep but it was just much more entertaining, well made film that did the Hulk justice.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

So I guess you're not going to answer my question.

They aren't really the same. Not sure what an answer would prove.

Yet the TV show went to a fifth season while the Ang Lee movie lasted one weekend before taking one of the biggest 2nd weekend drop-offs around.
I know you hate to admit it, but the TV show had more fans than the movie.

That's some faint praise there. Neither was a big hit...but one was less underwhelming?

You need to look at all of the changes you mentioned from the TV show that had to do with the Hulk's powers in context: In comics, the Hulk is the strongest. In the TV show, the Hulk was the strongest in that universe. He didn't lift an aircraft carrier because there was never a need for that in the show. The TV show Hulk never tried a feat of strength and failed. Everything he attempted to do, he succeeded.
In Ang Lee's movie, we have Bruce strangling Betty and the Hulk growing to ridiculous heights. And, wow, the Hulk said TWO words versus Lou saying none.

Both weren't the Hulk character. A TV show "needs" what it decides it needs. They "needed" him to take 3 straining attempts to knock down a telephone pole. It's a watered down universe at best. And all you need is macaroni to make a very well-known food item.

But it really begs the question...why are we beating this dead horse about a show that's been off the air for almost 30 years and a cinematic abortion that most of us would require a mind-enema to forget about in the middle of a Mark Ruffalo/Avengers thread? You and I will never agree on matters of the TV show and Ang Lee, so why subject everyone else to our pi$$ing contest?

We could give everyone a plastic sheet like you get on the front row of a Gallager concert.

We do somewhat agree about the Ang Lee movie though. Pretty sucktastic that.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Do they?
Lol, well I certainly aint one of them.

And yes, I think the Box Office does say a lot about what the GA might actually want from a Hulk film. Perhaps a film that is as much about the character of the Hulk as it is about Banner (crazy idea I know).

Think they have maybe seen enough of the grunting plot device turning up for 5 to 10 minutes a few times each flick, so why not try something that has been doing very well for the last 50 years in the books? (another crazy idea..)

You're a crazy man. Actually putting the comic character onscreen?

Much better to invent a different version and then claim "the public doesn't care about the Hulk character".

 

[Obi-Ron]

We do somewhat agree about the Ang Lee movie though. Pretty sucktastic that.

So anyway, how 'bout that Mark Ruffalo...

 

[Alientraveller]

I was thinking, Mark actually looks more like TIH Hulk CG model than Norton did.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

So anyway, how 'bout that Mark Ruffalo...

t:

I've been a fan of his for a while...so I'm probably biased. Best Banner ever?

 

[Doctor Jones]

So I just noticed the "Goddammit" of my title of this thread is gone.

Goddammit.

 

[Obi-Ron]

t:

I've been a fan of his for a while...so I'm probably biased. Best Banner ever?

I've never seen him in anything, what's he been in?

 

[JeetKuneDo]

I've never seen him in anything, what's he been in?

A movie called Zodiac with....Robert Downey Jr for one.

A lot of supporting parts...but he always shines. Reservation Road, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Just Like Heaven with Reese Whitherspoon....not a great movie...but he and Reese are good. 13 going on 30...again not wonderful...but he is really good.

 

[marcvader]

Shutter Island

 

[Iron_Stark]

He was really good in The Last Castle.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think his best role is Tosci in Zodiac. He actually is kind of the ideal way I see a cop or detective in my head.

 

[marcvader]

For you older dudes, he'd be a good Columbo.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

yeah!!! thanks...now i know of who he reminded me in shutter island;-)

 

[JeetKuneDo]

For you older dudes, he'd be a good Columbo.

Holy smokes! That's not bad!

 

[Brian Braddock]

Watched Collateral again the other day when it was on tv - I'd actually forgotten that Ruffalo was in that as Fanning.

 

[Young Superman]

IMO Mark Ruffalo is gonna make a great Bruce Banner.

 

[Golgo-13]

I heard him say that he was gonna play in like Bixby. That IMO is a BIG mistake. Letterier was influenced by the tv show, and i'm not sure if Norton was trying to play it like Bixby, but it didn't turn out so great in his acting. There is only one Bill Bixby. For the GE he is the original Dr.Banner, despite what the comics say. So trying to imitate him, will make Ruffalo come off as a cheap imitation. He should add his own take to the character, or use the comics as the source NOT the tv show.

I'm thinking we'll be getting a nother Hulk film following the Avengers. The Avengers will probably set it up.

I hope so.

 

[Norm3]

I just want an actor to play Banner from the CB for change & not try to copy Bill Bixby!