The "I loved Spider-Man 3" Thread!

[stryfe]

hmm almost did a TLDR but skimmed through a bit only thing I dont get is how you can defend Harry's Green Goblin or whatever the Hell that was. Tell me he didnt look like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat on a Marty Mccfly hoverboard. I mean what the F! Who in there right mind thought this design was anything other then ****ing ******ed.

 

[Stupify_me]

I think most of us can and are more than willing. Iron man for example is good adaptation that modernized the material quit well actually. Spider-man for some reason to me seems a little stuck in the past but whatever.

But as someone said in the Iron man thread, it is interesting how when a movie is good, it usually is said to be pretty faithful if not neccesarily on the surface. But when the movie is considered bad, all of the sudden the film treats the source material like crap.

I think a lot of times some people love the source material so much that they seem to forget that it isn't always great, no matter what decade and no matter what medium. Take the clone saga for example, some people just think it plain sucks, others think it has potential. And yet Ultimate Spider-man tried it again and it still kind of sucked. Some stories just aren't meant to be and could be done on screen perfectly faithful and still suck.

I think the film makers felt they needed to add something to Sandman for example. Which I don't think was neccesarily a bad thing, they just sort of tried too hard to make him more interesting. But I don't really think a lot of people would argue that having him be just a petty thug would have made him anymore compelling, even if it technically was more faithful.

So in the end we can all accept changes. It's just interesting what people get upset over. If a character looks great but sacrifices some characterization fans think it sucks. If the characterization is spot on but looks lame, then it still sucks. Its no wonder these movies are so hard to make.

I've never been a that in to it. I view the movies how they should be viewed. As an adaptation. I understand that sometimes it's necessary to change certain things. I also understand that it's a movie and not a comic and stories are told differently and they have to appeal to a more broad audience than just comic fans.

I sometimes like to think of it as just another chapter in the comic. Like look at the Marvel comics we have multiple series for one Character. Ultimate Spiderman and The Amazing Spiderman are not with in the same continuity. People still enjoy both. I hate when people get get way to sensitive about staying true to the material. At the end of the day as long as Wolverine is still berserk, Peter still lost Uncle Ben, and Batman watched his parents die at 8 it's all good.

 

[Stupify_me]

Gwen is hot mary jane is not so i would much rather they move in the gwen direction of love interest and kill this peter/mary jane stuff. Aunt may speaks on a soap box way to often thats why she sucks. No I didnt see the movie twice I went with something people call a "girlfriend" who I paid for and we got popcorn. If your not in the know of this "girlfriend" or GF as its sometimes posted try wikipedia it will explain everything.

I complain about this movie still in the hopes someone at sony will realize SM3 was a hack job and not to F up the next one in the same way. Why do you come to this forum to praise this movie a year after its been released?

I noticed you latched on to the emo comment and forgot about the stupid ass dancing and lame walking down the street. Would this be because they are indefensible or because you take what you want and throw away the rest?

Someone being Hot is a child like reason to want them in the movie more. He wouldn't of said anything had you said the actress was talented instead of "shes so hot"

Not everyone shares your opinion personally I think that Kirsten Dunce in more attractive. Also it would of been terrible to run with one Romance for two movies than just drop and go with a different one for no reason other than YOU think Gwen is hotter.

I do agree that Aunt May can be very annoying in the films. Sometimes I just want to tie her up and put tape over her mouth so I can enjoy the movie.

 

[jimslimbo]

Ok to move back on topic.

How about that sandman transformation? I think thats one of my favorite things in the movie. Its so cool and emotional. And the music works well to help everything along. And i like how when the camera was upclose into the sand that it sounded like boulders rolling(which was talked about on the dvd) and as the camera panned out everything started to sound more sand-like. very creative.

Speaking of sound. I also liked the sound of this movie. It utalized the subwofer and surrounds exceptionally well.All the spiderman films were good sound wise but i think this one really surpasses the others.

 

[Stupify_me]

Ok to move back on topic.

How about that sandman transformation? I think thats one of my favorite things in the movie. Its so cool and emotional. And the music works well to help everything along. And i like how when the camera was upclose into the sand that it sounded like boulders rolling(which was talked about on the dvd) and as the camera panned out everything started to sound more sand-like. very creative.

Speaking of sound. I also liked the sound of this movie. It utalized the subwofer and surrounds exceptionally well.All the spiderman films were good sound wise but i think this one really surpasses the others.

I think that's my fave part of the movie as well. It was very beautifully done. It was even better when I bought the movie and put it in my PS3 playing it on my HD tv at 1080P you can see so much detail. I will advise you that you probably shouldn't watch the entire movie this way because when the picture is that good you see to many errors in the CGI. I was impressed with the CGI in SM3 until I watched it at home. Then it looked awful my TV showed me all the glaring errors.

Oh well at least the Sandman scene was still beautiful I couldn't find anything wrong in that scene.

 

[jimslimbo]

I think that's my fave part of the movie as well. It was very beautifully done. It was even better when I bought the movie and put it in my PS3 playing it on my HD tv at 1080P you can see so much detail. I will advise you that you probably shouldn't watch the entire movie this way because when the picture is that good you see to many errors in the CGI. I was impressed with the CGI in SM3 until I watched it at home. Then it looked awful my TV showed me all the glaring errors.

Oh well at least the Sandman scene was still beautiful I couldn't find anything wrong in that scene.

well what can you do?lol. No ones perfect.even cgi artists and animators.lol. everything has flaws.

But yes a very beautiful scene.I think sandman really "stole the show "with that scene

 

[Stupify_me]

well what can you do?lol. No ones perfect.even cgi artists and animators.lol. everything has flaws.

But yes a very beautiful scene.I think sandman really "stole the show "with that scene

They just nailed it everything in that scene was spot on. The Acting, Visual effects and music worked together perfectly to actually evoke motion.

 

[fallenAngel]

hmm almost did a TLDR but skimmed through a bit only thing I dont get is how you can defend Harry's Green Goblin or whatever the Hell that was. Tell me he didnt look like Scorpion from Mortal Kombat on a Marty Mccfly hoverboard. I mean what the F! Who in there right mind thought this design was anything other then ****ing ******ed.

yeah, he did kind of look like something out of Mortal kombat. But I thought the board was cool. Still prefer the glider by a million fold, but I didn't mind it.

It was done to sell toys, but honestly I don't see how it really would have worked to have him done a full on goblin costume either. I'm at least glad they didn't try to pass him off as Hobgoblin, which is a completley different character.

and yeah the Birth of the Sandman scene has even the most rampant haters liking this scene. It really was close to perfect.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Because Harry only adopted the weaponry to avenge his father & not so much follow in his footsteps; the non-costume made sense to me. He clearly didn't want to conceal his identity from Peter, but rather make him fully aware who was coming after him. Harry clearly didn't want to be thought of as any type of Goblin; just a man on a mission, doing what was necessary to fulfill that mission.
And I wasn't reminded of Mortal Kombat in any way. But then, I also don't see the comparisons between Norman's costume & the Power Rangers.

 

[Silver Spider]

Because Harry only adopted the weaponry to avenge his father & not so much follow in his footsteps; the non-costume made sense to me. He clearly didn't want to conceal his identity from Peter, but rather make him fully aware who was coming after him. Harry clearly didn't want to be thought of as any type of Goblin; just a man on a mission, doing what was necessary to fulfill that mission.
And I wasn't reminded of Mortal Kombat in any way. But then, I also don't see the comparisons between Norman's costume & the Power Rangers.

That's exactly what I tell people who complain about Harry not looking like a goblin. He wasn't trying to, he was just creating equipment that would be most efficient at killing Spider-man. I mean even if you don't like Harry's glider, you know that you would rather use it in a fight against Spider-man, than Norman's.

 

[Silver Spider]

Being a fan of the movie you really can't tell other why they don't like it. I don't think you were even close to the reasons. At least not for me or anyone I have met that didn't like the movie.

My reasons are one that it was more cheesy and lame than the first two.

Two there was simply to much going on that they never really told a complete story. Every thing was so cluttered and at times it seemed like the actors them selves didn't know where it was all going.

Three the whole Sand Man is the one who killed Ben out of no where was idiotic.

Four Venom was treated like trash and was absolutely useless in the move I'm not sure how anyone at marvel could approve that treatment of one of the popular characters. I'm not a fan of Gambit, but at least the X movies never put him in so he could be screwed up. Venoms character barely resembled the one from the comics in fact aside from being black and being called Venom I can't think of anything else really.

Five I didn't think the move dragged or was to slow at all just the opposite I thought it was to rushed and there wasn't really any time to explore any of the stories to full potential.

Six The butler just happened to know everything and save the day by telling Harry finally.

I respect you more than other, less than fans, of the movie, because you're more open minded about some of the topics; but what do you think would have been the ideal Venom? Because I'm a Venom fan and I thought he was interpreted pretty well in the movie; although I will agree, the teaming up with Sandman part, was kind of out of character.

Why do you come to this forum to praise this movie a year after its been released?

Why do you come on this forum to bash this movie a year after it's been released?

I noticed you latched on to the emo comment and forgot about the stupid ass dancing and lame walking down the street. Would this be because they are indefensible or because you take what you want and throw away the rest?

He probably didn't mention it, because we're all getting tired of explaining it, to ignorant guys like you. If you want me to explain it I will.

 

[Stupify_me]

Because Harry only adopted the weaponry to avenge his father & not so much follow in his footsteps; the non-costume made sense to me. He clearly didn't want to conceal his identity from Peter, but rather make him fully aware who was coming after him. Harry clearly didn't want to be thought of as any type of Goblin; just a man on a mission, doing what was necessary to fulfill that mission.
And I wasn't reminded of Mortal Kombat in any way. But then, I also don't see the comparisons between Norman's costume & the Power Rangers.

My complaint isn't that he doesn't look like a Goblin I don't care about that at all. I also don't care about any reasoning they had for it looking the way it did. No matter what the reason it won't change the fact that the costume looked like ****. It was terrible.

 

[Stupify_me]

I respect you more than other, less than fans, of the movie, because you're more open minded about some of the topics; but what do you think would have been the ideal Venom? Because I'm a Venom fan and I thought he was interpreted pretty well in the movie; although I will agree, the teaming up with Sandman part, was kind of out of character.

Why do you come on this forum to bash this movie a year after it's been released?

He probably didn't mention it, because we're all getting tired of explaining it, to ignorant guys like you. If you want me to explain it I will.

Well for one I thought he should be featured a little bit more. He was in it for such a short time and was out of it so fast that there really wasn't any point in putting him in the movie other than to make Avi regret asking for it. Like you said teaming up with Sandman was way out of character. I also would of liked to have seen a little more voice change. He sounded way to human and way to much like Topher and lets face it Mr. Grace is not even close to intimidating with his high slightly whiny voice. I would of liked to have seen him being a little more controlled by the symboite (SP? Slightly tired here) it sounds like a lame complaint, but I wish he would of said we instead of I. It sounds useless, but him saying that actually is a huge character trait and speaks volumes about the character. He should of lasted in the fight longer and been featured more instead of coming off as a tough challenge he instead came off as a C level villain that only possed a challenge because Sandman was there.

Also killing him off was a horrible idea. I think it was really messed up and Harsh of Sam to do that because by doing that he made it next to impossible to use him in the future. If Sam doesn't come back he prevented the next guy from using Venom with out confusing the mainstream audience. I also didn't like the Symboite falling from the sky with no explination what so ever and then disappearing for about an hour only to finally realize 'Oh crap im still a part of this movie.'

 

[fallenAngel]

Well for one I thought he should be featured a little bit more. He was in it for such a short time and was out of it so fast that there really wasn't any point in putting him in the movie other than to make Avi regret asking for it. Like you said teaming up with Sandman was way out of character. I also would of liked to have seen a little more voice change. He sounded way to human and way to much like Topher and lets face it Mr. Grace is not even close to intimidating with his high slightly whiny voice. I would of liked to have seen him being a little more controlled by the symboite (SP? Slightly tired here) it sounds like a lame complaint, but I wish he would of said we instead of I. It sounds useless, but him saying that actually is a huge character trait and speaks volumes about the character. He should of lasted in the fight longer and been featured more instead of coming off as a tough challenge he instead came off as a C level villain that only possed a challenge because Sandman was there.

Also killing him off was a horrible idea. I think it was really messed up and Harsh of Sam to do that because by doing that he made it next to impossible to use him in the future. If Sam doesn't come back he prevented the next guy from using Venom with out confusing the mainstream audience. I also didn't like the Symboite falling from the sky with no explination what so ever and then disappearing for about an hour only to finally realize 'Oh crap im still a part of this movie.'

I actually agree with most of this. Especially the "we" part. These are small nitpicks to me though and at the end of the day I don't really care. Plus I think there would be some people asking why is he all the sudden talking in the third person.

The symbiote was handled fairly poorly, but really it is such a complex idea and was thrown in at the last minute. I don't really blame Sam for it.

I do disagree about his death though. I think it was good that he died, he should have been more of a threat and he should have had more screen time. Or at least Eddie should have. Venom and Spider-man definetly needed to battle one on one more though. But the whole point of including the character was so he could die. It would have been the same for the Vulture (but that wouldn't have made any one upset). The third villain always needed to die to show the ultimate consequence of hatred. It just would have come across better if we had known both Brock and the Symbiote more.

And I think he has a pretty cool death. The part right before where the Symbiote went crazy on its own was the only real part of the movie that hinted at the internal evil of the weird goo from space. And I thought it was fairly effective. Peter also seemed to somewhat care that Eddie died. Unlike Ock who he seemed to feel fairly indifferent towards most of the movie.

 

[fallenAngel]

Because Harry only adopted the weaponry to avenge his father & not so much follow in his footsteps; the non-costume made sense to me. He clearly didn't want to conceal his identity from Peter, but rather make him fully aware who was coming after him. Harry clearly didn't want to be thought of as any type of Goblin; just a man on a mission, doing what was necessary to fulfill that mission.
And I wasn't reminded of Mortal Kombat in any way. But then, I also don't see the comparisons between Norman's costume & the Power Rangers.

I've never understood this either. To be honest the Goblin costume in the first movie doesn't really bother me at all. It's better than him turning into a huge hulk like monster.

 

[Stupify_me]

I actually agree with most of this. Especially the "we" part. These are small nitpicks to me though and at the end of the day I don't really care. Plus I think there would be some people asking why is he all the sudden talking in the third person.

The symbiote was handled fairly poorly, but really it is such a complex idea and was thrown in at the last minute. I don't really blame Sam for it.

I do disagree about his death though. I think it was good that he died, he should have been more of a threat and he should have had more screen time. Or at least Eddie should have. Venom and Spider-man definetly needed to battle one on one more though. But the whole point of including the character was so he could die. It would have been the same for the Vulture (but that wouldn't have made any one upset). The third villain always needed to die to show the ultimate consequence of hatred. It just would have come across better if we had known both Brock and the Symbiote more.

And I think he has a pretty cool death. The part right before where the Symbiote went crazy on its own was the only real part of the movie that hinted at the internal evil of the weird goo from space. And I thought it was fairly effective. Peter also seemed to somewhat care that Eddie died. Unlike Ock who he seemed to feel fairly indifferent towards most of the movie.

Well the Death wouldn't of bothered me much had the character been handled better. The reason the death gets to me so much is the fact that no one can do the character now. Sam essentially ruined it for anyone in the future unless the do a complete restart which is unlikely.

 

[Silver Spider]

Well for one I thought he should be featured a little bit more. He was in it for such a short time and was out of it so fast that there really wasn't any point in putting him in the movie other than to make Avi regret asking for it. Like you said teaming up with Sandman was way out of character. I also would of liked to have seen a little more voice change. He sounded way to human and way to much like Topher and lets face it Mr. Grace is not even close to intimidating with his high slightly whiny voice. I would of liked to have seen him being a little more controlled by the symboite (SP? Slightly tired here) it sounds like a lame complaint, but I wish he would of said we instead of I. It sounds useless, but him saying that actually is a huge character trait and speaks volumes about the character. He should of lasted in the fight longer and been featured more instead of coming off as a tough challenge he instead came off as a C level villain that only possed a challenge because Sandman was there.

Also killing him off was a horrible idea. I think it was really messed up and Harsh of Sam to do that because by doing that he made it next to impossible to use him in the future. If Sam doesn't come back he prevented the next guy from using Venom with out confusing the mainstream audience. I also didn't like the Symboite falling from the sky with no explination what so ever and then disappearing for about an hour only to finally realize 'Oh crap im still a part of this movie.'

I thought the build up of Venom was pretty good, with Eddie's life slowy going downhill, and the symbiote effecting Peter and his life. But once Venom actually appeared he kind of burned out. This Venom seems to be more based his early years in comics, where he said "I," and wasn't as large. The only difference is that, since he was killed, there's no way for the actual character of "Venom," to develop himself.

 

[Silver Spider]

I've never understood this either. To be honest the Goblin costume in the first movie doesn't really bother me at all. It's better than him turning into a huge hulk like monster.

lol, Ultimate Goblin just got owned.t:
What's really annoying is that people used to bash Norman's goblin suit, and say "He looked like a Power Ranger;" but now after SM3, they say "Harry's suit was so stupid; the Goblin suit in the first movie was great, and they should have used that."

 

[TheCaptain22555]

SM3 could've been better. COULD'VE. But still was pretty dope. I loved it and just watched my dvd a couple of days ago.

 

[Silver Spider]

SM3 could've been better. COULD'VE. But still was pretty dope. I loved it and just watched my dvd a couple of days ago.

Agreed.t:

 

[omid17]

Guys if you have a chance, watch it on Blu-ray, it makes the movie 10x's better

 

[Stupify_me]

Guys if you have a chance, watch it on Blu-ray, it makes the movie 10x's better

I disagree. First of all I watched it on blue ray and the picture was so great you could see the errors in CGI. Plus noone of my complaints about the film had anything to do with the picture or clarity so Blu Ray won't improve the story

 

[jimslimbo]

Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!! please! I!!!!!!!!!!!!11 tryed to get the focus back on topic.

Can we please just continue to discuss our likes about the movie. Not complaints.

 

[Silver Spider]

Can you start a new conversation, because I don't know what to start on?

 

[fallenAngel]

Well just spouting things we like isn't much for conversation. Especially if it is just the same people and same things over and over again. It gets old kind of like the complaints.

however. I really liked Harry in this movie. Costume and all. I also loved how he died, not neccesarily that he died though since I'm going to miss both him and James Franco in these movies. But his "pie" line in the movie I remember made me laugh. And his fights with peter were probably the best two fights in the movie. His scenes with MJ also seemed to have more chemistry than the ones between MJ and Peter, I think that was kind of the point, but MJ was more her comics self with Harry in the movie. Especially at the Spider-man day celebration where she sort of covered up her feelings/insecurities more.

That and the Sandman fight on the street in the armored car. That was classic.