The "I loved Spider-Man 3" Thread!

[Silver Spider]

I figure that based on the scene where Peter goes onto his college campus in his snazzy suit, gets all seductive with Felicia, verbally pwns Flash, and creeps Felicia out in the process.

That's the way he should have behaved in the movie, IMO. We shouldn't have been laughing at his dark side. You shouldn't be laughing at anyone's dark side.

We never did in the comics, either.

The symbiote didn't effect Peter's emotions in the comics. So it didn't bring out his dark side. In the movie the parts people laughed at, weren't showing his aggression, they were showing his assertive side.

The same reason it makes him badass evil as Spidey. The dark side is exactly that. Dark. Dark Peter evoked more laughter than nerdy Peter.

That is just not right.

His aggressive side was shown in his battles. Such as trying to murder Sandman, and throwing a bomb in Harry's face; not to mention, shamelessly insulting his relationship with his father. Also the fight in the jazz club, was pretty dark for Peter.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Being a total d*ck to MJ, coming down to her job & flaunting another woman in her face, after realizing that she'd been manipulated by Harry-I don't find that goofy. Acting all superior in JJJ's office & hitting on Betty-not goofy. Cutting loose during fights & abandoning his long-standing moral code-not goofy. The strutting down the street-kinda goofy, but understandable in the aspect that in his mind, he was being a bad@$$, relishing his newfound power & not giving a damn about anyone else. The dance number-a little goofy, but it was a dance club. What was he supposed to do? Start up a rap battle, a la "8 Mile"?

 

[Chris Wallace]

It was done completely different in TAS. Peter was suave and slick in TAS. He looked cool in a snazzy suit. Peter in SM-3 went around with emo hair, making ludicrous hand gestures at women, dry humping the air, jigging along like a fool.

His attitude in TAS was also suave and slick. The way he speaks to Felicia is not corny or stupid, like the way Peter in SM-3 talks to the chicks. The women were looking at him like he was a blinkin' moron in SM-3. Nobody saw him as that in TAS.

Again, I don't mean to bring down this thread. I'm just addressing Chris' comparison, which is not valid at all.

Except, TAS never really played up nerdy Peter to begin with. We always saw him as the reformed nerd there. Not the timid, awkward guy who was constantly at a loss for words as he secretly pined for the girl next door. Not the guy who hadn't really grown up after high school, & couldn't get to work or to class on time after a rescue. On TAS, he pretty much ignored Flash most of the time. We never actually saw the guy pick on him beyond verbal taunts. In that setting, he became more suave & slick w/the symbiote b/c he was in many ways ALREADY suave & slick. The movie Peter wouldn't have had a shot in hell at the most beautiful, popular & wealthy girl in all of New York. He only had girl troubles b/c Spider-Man interfered, NOT becuase they weren't interested in him to begin with. So it's a different context & in that light, the symbiote had a similar effect. It made him more of what he already was, & more of what he wanted to be.

 

[Silver Spider]

Being a total d*ck to MJ, coming down to her job & flaunting another woman in her face, after realizing that she'd been manipulated by Harry-I don't find that goofy. Acting all superior in JJJ's office & hitting on Betty-not goofy. Cutting loose during fights & abandoning his long-standing moral code-not goofy. The strutting down the street-kinda goofy, but understandable in the aspect that in his mind, he was being a bad@$$, relishing his newfound power & not giving a damn about anyone else. The dance number-a little goofy, but it was a dance club. What was he supposed to do? Start up a rap battle, a la "8 Mile"?

Except, TAS never really played up nerdy Peter to begin with. We always saw him as the reformed nerd there. Not the timid, awkward guy who was constantly at a loss for words as he secretly pined for the girl next door. Not the guy who hadn't really grown up after high school, & couldn't get to work or to class on time after a rescue. On TAS, he pretty much ignored Flash most of the time. We never actually saw the guy pick on him beyond verbal taunts. In that setting, he became more suave & slick w/the symbiote b/c he was in many ways ALREADY suave & slick. The movie Peter wouldn't have had a shot in hell at the most beautiful, popular & wealthy girl in all of New York. He only had girl troubles b/c Spider-Man interfered, NOT becuase they weren't interested in him to begin with. So it's a different context & in that light, the symbiote had a similar effect. It made him more of what he already was, & more of what he wanted to be.

Perfect explaination.

 

[The Joker]

The symbiote didn't effect Peter's emotions in the comics. So it didn't bring out his dark side.

Exactly. So, why should he become a dancing, emo looking, moron in the movie? TAS hit the nail on the head with Peter's dark side.

Dark sides are not supposed to be funny.

In the movie the parts people laughed at, weren't showing his aggression, they were showing his assertive side.

You're splitting hairs. His dark side is his dark side. His humiliation of MJ in the jazz club had the audience laughing at him. Throwing his coat at her. Running along the bar having a drink. Dry humping the hair.

The only dark part was when he hit her.

His aggressive side was shown in his battles. Such as trying to murder Sandman, and throwing a bomb in Harry's face; not to mention, shamelessly insulting his relationship with his father. Also the fight in the jazz club, was pretty dark for Peter.

Those are fight scenes. I'm talking about his general personality.

 

[Silver Spider]

Exactly. So, why should he become a dancing, emo looking, moron in the movie? TAS hit the nail on the head with Peter's dark side.

Dark sides are not supposed to be funny.

I was saying that in the comics he didn't have a dark side; so I don't see how that comment was helpful.

You're splitting hairs. His dark side is his dark side. His humiliation of MJ in the jazz club had the audience laughing at him. Throwing his coat at her. Running along the bar having a drink. Dry humping the hair.

The only dark part was when he hit her.

Those are fight scenes. I'm talking about his general personality.

His dark side was the cause and the "funny" dancing was the effect. He never would have gone to that club and embarassed MJ like that, if he still held to his morals. Also in the jazz club, he never humped the air; that was on the street. Aggressive and assertive can be two different things. Agression usually has cruel intentions towards someone or something, while assertion is just affirming or declaring an idea, which is what he did, with his "dance."

 

[The Joker]

Except, TAS never really played up nerdy Peter to begin with. We always saw him as the reformed nerd there. Not the timid, awkward guy who was constantly at a loss for words as he secretly pined for the girl next door. Not the guy who hadn't really grown up after high school, & couldn't get to work or to class on time after a rescue.

And Peter of the comic books never pined for the girl next door, or was constantly at a loss for words with girls. Heck, he was dating Betty Brant within the first 10 issues of ASM. And he was MORE than capable of handling Gwen's frosty reception of him when they first met in college. He used to gush over Gwen and MJ fighting over him, throwing out the verbal repartee.

That's why I repeat, what was done in TAS was far more accurate.

On TAS, he pretty much ignored Flash most of the time. We never actually saw the guy pick on him beyond verbal taunts.

Ignored Flash? He was always verbally sparring against Flash. What episodes were you watching? Flash even tried to get score with Felicia and rub Peter's nose in it.

In that setting, he became more suave & slick w/the symbiote b/c he was in many ways ALREADY suave & slick.

LOL! What? Give me some example of where he was suave and slick as regular Peter? Some confidence does not equal suave and slick.

The movie Peter wouldn't have had a shot in hell at the most beautiful, popular & wealthy girl in all of New York. He only had girl troubles b/c Spider-Man interfered, NOT becuase they weren't interested in him to begin with.

Don't be silly. Peter had girl troubles in the movie because MJ never looked twice at him the whole time they were living beside eachother since childhood. Where was Spider-Man then? She just wasn't interested.

In fact, their friendship and her general acknowledgement of his existence only began in SM-1.

So it's a different context & in that light, the symbiote had a similar effect. It made him more of what he already was, & more of what he wanted to be.

Not at all.

It was just a different effect given on him in the movie.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I was saying that in the comics he didn't have a dark side; so I don't see how that comment was helpful.

You're splitting hairs. His dark side is his dark side. His humiliation of MJ in the jazz club had the audience laughing at him. Throwing his coat at her. Running along the bar having a drink. Dry humping the hair.

The only dark part was when he hit her.

Those are fight scenes. I'm talking about his general personality.[/quote]
His dark side was the cause and the "funny" dancing was the effect. He never would have gone to that club and embarassed MJ like that, if he still held to his morals. Also in the jazz club, he never humped the air; that was on the street. Aggressive and assertive can be two different things. Agression usually has cruel intentions towards someone or something, while assertion is just affirming or declaring an idea, which is what he did, with his "dance."[/QUOTE]

Also a good point. We are, after all, talking about the same guy who thought that spontaneously breaking into poetry would somehow win the affections of a girl who'd gotten sick of him letting her down-and thought he looked cool strutting down the street without wearing the glases he so desperately needed at the time, & had a hard time just working up the nerve to even ask permission to shoot photos on a field trip; the symbiote couldn't change him to the point where that part of him would just go away.

 

[The Joker]

I was saying that in the comics he didn't have a dark side; so I don't see how that comment was helpful.

Because if he did have one in the comics, it would be more close to that than the dancing emo looking dork.

His dark side was the cause and the "funny" dancing was the effect.

I know. That's why I said we should not be laughing at his dark side. It's not supposed to be funny. Can you think of any character who's dark side made you laugh?

Also a good point. We are, after all, talking about the same guy who thought that spontaneously breaking into poetry would somehow win the affections of a girl who'd gotten sick of him letting her down

That was on the advice of Octavius.

 

[Blader5489]

It was done completely different in TAS. Peter was suave and slick in TAS. He looked cool in a snazzy suit. Peter in SM-3 went around with emo hair, making ludicrous hand gestures at women, dry humping the air, jigging along like a fool.

That's an interesting fashion sense you have there.

 

[The Joker]

That's an interesting fashion sense you have there.

Ok Blader, I'll humour you here, what is your problem with this suit:

Not emo enough?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I really think the way Sam showed how the Symbiote affected Spidey mentally and physically was great. It basically brought out his inner monsters and it showed in his actions and his look.

 

[Silver Spider]

I know. That's why I said we should not be laughing at his dark side. It's not supposed to be funny. Can you think of any character who's dark side made you laugh?

A dark side is not always nasty on the outside. A true dark side can be so complex, you don't know how the person will react to different events. I mean, a dark side isn't at someones throat, 24/7; it will manipulate and confuse you until it unleashes itself.

 

[DACrowe]

Exactly. So, why should he become a dancing, emo looking, moron in the movie? TAS hit the nail on the head with Peter's dark side.

Dark sides are not supposed to be funny.



You're splitting hairs. His dark side is his dark side. His humiliation of MJ in the jazz club had the audience laughing at him. Throwing his coat at her. Running along the bar having a drink. Dry humping the hair.

The only dark part was when he hit her.



Those are fight scenes. I'm talking about his general personality.

I see what you're saying Joker and I partially agree. I think that the comic relief went way overboard in this section of the movie. While funny, it should not have turned into a comedy (which it did). I think the dancing at the jazz club was fine if during the montage it was Spidey in the black suit doing some aggressive and BA **** (like taking thugs down in mere seconds with brutality. It would have been light hearted, but not cheesy, if you know what I mean. What I thought of was what the trailer for Hancock kind of is...without the grinning jackass movie star persona).

But oh well, it's done. It either ruined the movie for you (which it did for a lot of people) or is a flaw in something you enjoy (myself in the overly-defensive minority).

I will say when Raimi took symbiote Peter seriously they were not laughing when he tried to murder Sandman in the subway, verbally abused and devestated Harry Osborn and then blew his face off. And when the comedy ended and Peter punched Mary Jane, two out of three audiences gasped with shock. The third audience I saw it with had a few people laughing, but that may have to do more with Dunst's performance, I dunno.

I see what you're saying, but I think to be fair Raimi got what he wanted when he took it seriously. It is just he spent as much time with it being a broad comedy as with it being a "dark moment" in the series.

 

[Stupify_me]

Being a total d*ck to MJ, coming down to her job & flaunting another woman in her face, after realizing that she'd been manipulated by Harry-I don't find that goofy. Acting all superior in JJJ's office & hitting on Betty-not goofy. Cutting loose during fights & abandoning his long-standing moral code-not goofy. The strutting down the street-kinda goofy, but understandable in the aspect that in his mind, he was being a bad@$$, relishing his newfound power & not giving a damn about anyone else. The dance number-a little goofy, but it was a dance club. What was he supposed to do? Start up a rap battle, a la "8 Mile"?

How can you honestly defend the dancing. It in no way contributed to the story and it made no sense what so ever. I know alot of nerds I was one my self, but I would never dance like an idiot in public no matter how much black goo covered my body.

 

[fallenAngel]

I see what you're saying Joker and I partially agree. I think that the comic relief went way overboard in this section of the movie. While funny, it should not have turned into a comedy (which it did). I think the dancing at the jazz club was fine if during the montage it was Spidey in the black suit doing some aggressive and BA **** (like taking thugs down in mere seconds with brutality. It would have been light hearted, but not cheesy, if you know what I mean. What I thought of was what the trailer for Hancock kind of is...without the grinning jackass movie star persona).

But oh well, it's done. It either ruined the movie for you (which it did for a lot of people) or is a flaw in something you enjoy (myself in the overly-defensive minority).

I will say when Raimi took symbiote Peter seriously they were not laughing when he tried to murder Sandman in the subway, verbally abused and devestated Harry Osborn and then blew his face off. And when the comedy ended and Peter punched Mary Jane, two out of three audiences gasped with shock. The third audience I saw it with had a few people laughing, but that may have to do more with Dunst's performance, I dunno.

I see what you're saying, but I think to be fair Raimi got what he wanted when he took it seriously. It is just he spent as much time with it being a broad comedy as with it being a "dark moment" in the series.

I remember people gasping the first time I saw the movie. My friend did also, not really but he just pretended to and I started laughing. Not at the movie, but at audience reaction. I dunno I just thought it was funny that people gasped.

 

[DACrowe]

Well in a family movie that had been pretty damn silly for the last ten minutes it was shocking to see "noble geeky hero-boy" punch the love of his life to the ground. I knew it was coming but the way Raimi cut it together with that hard sound effect, I thought it was pretty effective.

No matter how much you may dislike this movie, do recall how gooey-eyed in love they were at the beginning and in 2 hours they had reached that point in a superhero movie. And it set the stage perfectly for the birth of Venom. If Raimi hadn't squandered his momentum on oblivious butlers and annoying news reporters, people may have walked out enjoying the movie much more. I still like it though.

 

[fallenAngel]

I like how they use MJ singing to sort of show the transition too. Even though she gets a lot of crap for her singing, even though within context of the movie she is supposed to be kind of lousy. I like how they use the song in the beginning about her being in love, and how at the end she is singing about how she'll never love again. It added a nice bookend to the movie.

It is kind of like how they used The Importance of Being Earnest in the second movie as a kind of parallel. Which was really creative.

 

[watusa]

I feel that MAN-SPIDER 3 was the worst one yet I mean come on you expect more action and better fight scenes in a MAN-SPIDER film especially one with so much hype surrounding it. I hope MAN-SPIDER 4 sees a return to classic MAN-SPIDER films and not this piece of garbage smh.

 

[jimslimbo]

I feel that MAN-SPIDER 3 was the worst one yet I mean come on you expect more action and better fight scenes in a MAN-SPIDER film especially one with so much hype surrounding it. I hope MAN-SPIDER 4 sees a return to classic MAN-SPIDER films and not this piece of garbage smh.

Ah sorry watusa. You comments are in the wrong thread. Like others here,you'd be better suited in the i hate spider-man 3 thread.

Now back on the topic of the thread.
I agree fallenAngel mary jane was very good to help the story. She seemed more real to me in this movie.IMO.

 

[Silver Spider]

Well in a family movie that had been pretty damn silly for the last ten minutes it was shocking to see "noble geeky hero-boy" punch the love of his life to the ground. I knew it was coming but the way Raimi cut it together with that hard sound effect, I thought it was pretty effective.

No matter how much you may dislike this movie, do recall how gooey-eyed in love they were at the beginning and in 2 hours they had reached that point in a superhero movie. And it set the stage perfectly for the birth of Venom. If Raimi hadn't squandered his momentum on oblivious butlers and annoying news reporters, people may have walked out enjoying the movie much more. I still like it though.

That is one of the few things I will agree with the haters about. That British reporter was really annoying. The anchorman was okay to set up the climax, but after that it got annoying as well. But the part with the two kids, was ******ed and took away from the moment.
I still love SM3 though.t:

 

[Chris Wallace]

And Peter of the comic books never pined for the girl next door, or was constantly at a loss for words with girls. Heck, he was dating Betty Brant within the first 10 issues of ASM. And he was MORE than capable of handling Gwen's frosty reception of him when they first met in college. He used to gush over Gwen and MJ fighting over him, throwing out the verbal repartee.

That's why I repeat, what was done in TAS was far more accurate.



Ignored Flash? He was always verbally sparring against Flash. What episodes were you watching? Flash even tried to get score with Felicia and rub Peter's nose in it.



LOL! What? Give me some example of where he was suave and slick as regular Peter? Some confidence does not equal suave and slick.



Don't be silly. Peter had girl troubles in the movie because MJ never looked twice at him the whole time they were living beside eachother since childhood. Where was Spider-Man then? She just wasn't interested.

In fact, their friendship and her general acknowledgement of his existence only began in SM-1.



Not at all.

It was just a different effect given on him in the movie.

He verbally sparred w/Flash. Flash didn't trip him, ruin his photo ops or make him feel inferior. Flash was a minor annoyance but ultimately inconsequential.
You misunderstood my post about girl troubles. My point was that MJ didn't acknowledge him & wasn't interested, as opposed to being tired of his unreliability, as in TAS.
He may not have been all debonair as Peter on the show, but he was a lot more confident & socially capable than in the movies.
The point I was trying to make is that his transition w/the symbiote was consistent w/his character.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Ah sorry watusa. You comments are in the wrong thread. Like others here,you'd be better suited in the i hate spider-man 3 thread.

Now back on the topic of the thread.
I agree fallenAngel mary jane was very good to help the story. She seemed more real to me in this movie.IMO.

Don't acknowledge the haters' posts; that's just what they want you to do. Ignore them & they'll go away.

 

[jimslimbo]

Don't acknowledge the haters' posts; that's just what they want you to do. Ignore them & they'll go away.

Point taken.it seems he was banned anyhow.

But i dont care if you liked the film or not you have to admit it was cool that when harry finally changed into the goblin and when he said to his dad."What do i do?" And norman osborne says. "First you strike the heart". or something like that.

I thought that was just so cool they reused that line it was really awsome.

Ps:if you have something negative to say about that line or anything like that please don't comment.

 

[Stupify_me]

Point taken.it seems he was banned anyhow.

But i dont care if you liked the film or not you have to admit it was cool that when harry finally changed into the goblin and when he said to his dad."What do i do?" And norman osborne says. "First you strike the heart". or something like that.

I thought that was just so cool they reused that line it was really awsome.

Ps:if you have something negative to say about that line or anything like that please don't comment.

I really wish really wish that I didn't like that line so I could comment about it. Just because you request people don't comment on a part you like doesn't mean they have to or will listen. I'll admit thought I enjoyed the line.