The Iran Thread

[Marx]

Exactly and in other completely surprising news...

Oh well...if the leaders of Iran says it's valid...then it must be valid!

:facepalm

 

[Hobgoblin]

That's what I am suggesting...presenting the catastrophe of a government killing innocent civilians for the cause of stomping out freedom and liberty.

I'm more concerned about American civilians than Iranian. Just because Iran is in the fire doesnt mean we have to jump in after them.

 

[StorminNorman]

I'm more concerned about American civilians than Iranian. Just because Iran is in the fire doesnt mean we have to jump in after them.

And American civilians are safer with Iran being an ally to America instead of an enemy.

 

[Paradyme]

Oh well...if the leaders of Iran says it's valid...then it must be valid!

:facepalm

You wonder if the leaders of Iran actually think majority of the world believes them?

Anyone care to guess how long the Iranian people will keep up their protests?

 

[Hobgoblin]

And American civilians are safer with Iran being an ally to America instead of an enemy.

Well, I guess you're just more optimistic about that than I am. The Shah made Iran an American ally too and he was seen as a puppet.

 

[BlackLantern]

maybe not an ally, but at least a country that isn't a threat to anyone else

 

[StorminNorman]

The Shah was forced onto Iran by America.

This would be America supporting the people's President.

A different scenario.

If America empowers a leader who cares about the people more than America - they will be successful, it's when American empowers a leader who cares more about America than it's people that they have problems.

It's possible to find an non-enemy of America that still puts its country's people at first.

 

[BlackLantern]

lets say hypothetically that another election was held on the up and up and Ahmedinijad was elected President?? would "revolution" be in order then??

 

[Hobgoblin]

The Shah was forced onto Iran by America.

This would be America supporting the people's President.

A different scenario.

If America empowers a leader who cares about the people more than America - they will be successful, it's when American empowers a leader who cares more about America than it's people that they have problems.

It's possible to find an non-enemy of America that still puts its country's people at first.

Agreed but will the average Iranian believe that? Would we, if an outside power intervened in one of our elections? Isnt it a little naive to think that we wouldnt want an Iranian leader that would be in our pocket?

 

[StorminNorman]

I don't see why any Iranian who supported the man before America did would turn their backs on him afterwards.

A leader isn't doomed simply because America empowered them - they are doomed by their own actions. Had the Shah governed like a good leader, he would have been fine and Operation Ajax would have been considered one of the best American operations ever.

 

[Kelly]

Yep, Iran has simply become another Tianenamen Square.....if the people are not willing to take it all the way.....then even if the US intervened, it would simply turn into another Iraq, and I'm afraid for Iraq at this point. I do not believe for one second that their government is strong enough to last....no way.

 

[StorminNorman]

The current government is not home free if the current opposition is quieted.

As long as Iran has to cut off the internet in their country, their economy will suffer. Their economy suffer, civil unrest rises. Civil unrest rises, revolution becomes more and more likely.

 

[Kelly]

Well, with that said, then there should be a revolution forth coming in China since they just bought the new internet hardware to shut down the internet in there country even more.....don't think that Iran is watching how that goes VERY CLOSELY....

 

[StorminNorman]

China's economy is stronger than Iran's though.

A well built bridge can handle the weight of a car - one made of twigs and gum cannot.

 

[Kelly]

That's true...

 

[Marx]

You wonder if the leaders of Iran actually think majority of the world believes them?

Anyone care to guess how long the Iranian people will keep up their protests?

That's a very good question Para. (Now that a 'recount' has been done, I don't think there is anything further that Mousavi can do...according to the law of Iran.)

 

[Paradyme]

That's a very good question Para. (Now that a 'recount' has been done, I don't think there is anything further that Mousavi can do...according to the law of Iran.)

I mean, they'd have to be pretty delusional to believe that the world is backing them up right now.

Well, I'd say that Mousavi and the protests don't care to much about the law of Iran. I'm really interested to see how long their resolve lasts. They only way they can successfully have their revolution is if the military is on their side.

 

[StorminNorman]

Mousavi has actually limited demonstrations to legal functions of late.

 

[BlackLantern]

what is Mousavis' long term plan?? has he made that known yet??

 

[Marx]

I mean, they'd have to be pretty delusional to believe that the world is backing them up right now.

Well, I'd say that Mousavi and the protests don't care to much about the law of Iran. I'm really interested to see how long their resolve lasts. They only way they can successfully have their revolution is if the military is on their side.

I don't think they care if the world backs them up or not. Are the reports of the military still be divided accurate?

 

[Paradyme]

I haven't heard anything about that. Where'd you hear or read that?

 

[Kelly]

I haven't heard anything else on that.....

 

[Marx]

I haven't heard anything about that. Where'd you hear or read that?

It was a report coming out of Iran when the protests were at their worst.

 

[Nivek]

It will be quiet, and then the protest's will come back.

 

[Kelly]

I will be happily surprised, if that happens...