The Iran Thread

[StorminNorman]

The last thing that needs to happen is for Israel to take action. Isreal needs to allow Iran to fall apart - any change in Iran MUST come from within.

I only support any sort of action (from America or otherwise) if it is in conjunction with the Iranian people.

 

[Marx]

WHITE HOUSE: AHMADINEJAD IS 'ELECTED LEADER' OF IRAN
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/04/ahmadinejad-is-elected-le_n_251293.html

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs says Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is "the elected leader" of the Islamic republic.

Gibbs was asked Tuesday if the White House recognized Ahmadinejad as the country's legitimate president.

"He's the elected leader," Gibbs responded.

Iranian opposition to Ahmadinejad's re-election claimed he stole the vote, and there have been massive street demonstrations that have shaken the religious leadership of the country. Ahmadinejad reports to the religious establishment. Dozens of demonstrators were killed or wounded in the uprising.

President Barack Obama has been cautious in responding to the turmoil because he's trying to open a dialogue with Iran about its nuclear program.

 

[Paradyme]

Ahmy is such a d-bag.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

In regards to people worried about the Atomic Bomb, that's all publicity crap. They already have them. That doesn't mean they'll use them right off the bat. They know they'll get their asses kicked. The USA and Russia and North Korea all have them, you don't see them using them.
Also, Israel bombing Iran would be completely ridiculous. Why? The Iranian people are VERY patriotic. Israel might see them as week now, but the Iranian people will not see kindly to war. They do want a change in their government but not at the hands of outsiders. I can list off ten things that ousiders have ruined in Iran in the past fifty years. People deciding they're the heroes or sneaky are what allow these radicals to gain power. The people become vulnerable, patriotic and then fooled by some zealots who claim they have the countries best interests at hand and then the whole "East Vs West" complex comes into play.
The people are fighting the government and they are fighting hard. The only outside influence that can and should occur would be international embargoes on Iran while the UN sends in supplies for the people. Anything direct (like even Obama speaking out) could ruin everything. There are some Iranian people that are saying stupid **** like "shame on you Obama for not doing anything" but **** those people. Obama's decision to keep quiet and put pressure in secrecy is a smart move. The people who are talking to **** to Israel, the USA and other countries for their actions are uninformed and they clearly have learned nothing from History. If the situation just stays elevated and it doesn't escalate to war with Israel or direct accusations to Iran then the Revolution will be successful. The only thing that can be done is what I mentioned with the embargoes.
By the way, I have a lot of images, videos and songs if anyone would like to see them. The songs are farsi so I would have to try my best to translate them and the pictures and videos are pretty graphic. If I can get the go ahead from a mod then I'll post them.

EDIT: Sorry for my language but remember it wasn't directed at any of you. It was only to express how important this situation is to me.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

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[Marx]

THOUSANDS ON THE STREETS AGAIN TO PROTEST
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran

 

[omid17]

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Obama plan aims to squeeze Iran, reassure Israel

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_missile_defense

 

[Marx]

I think President Obama should be very careful with Iran. I'm not so sure it's a good idea to antagonize Iran just to appease Israel.

 

[StorminNorman]

Iran deserves all the antagonism they possibly could receive.

 

[Kurosawa]

They certainly do, but that's not the goal. The goal is to keep anything crazy from happening.

 

[Kelly]

I say we work on getting inside information from Iranians to exactly where these Nuclear reactors are....and take them out.....

I'm tired of waiting for permission from the UN on this stuff.



But, oh wait.....we don't have time to think about that because we are too busy investigating the CIA.....well hey at least we have our priorities straight....*major eye roll*

 

[Addendum]

So they can't do more than one thing at a time?

 

[Kelly]

Apparently not.....

 

[Kurosawa]

I say we work on getting inside information from Iranians to exactly where these Nuclear reactors are....and take them out.....

I'm tired of waiting for permission from the UN on this stuff.



But, oh wait.....we don't have time to think about that because we are too busy investigating the CIA.....well hey at least we have our priorities straight....*major eye roll*

So we destroy Nuclear reactors inside Iran, which pisses Russia off, therefore heightening tensions at best with them, starting an International crisis with them at worst? Pass. Russia is why we back off on Iran.

 

[StorminNorman]

So we destroy Nuclear reactors inside Iran, which pisses Russia off, therefore heightening tensions at best with them, starting an International crisis with them at worst? Pass. Russia is why we back off on Iran.

Russia won't go to war in the name of Iran. Also, we can't let the fear of Russia to prevent us from taking appropriate action against Iran.

 

[Kurosawa]

Russia won't go to war in the name of Iran. Also, we can't let the fear of Russia to prevent us from taking appropriate action against Iran.

War? No, But would it make it more difficult for us to deal with a variety of issues, including Iran itself? No question. It's just not a good idea.

 

[Kelly]

So we destroy Nuclear reactors inside Iran, which pisses Russia off, therefore heightening tensions at best with them, starting an International crisis with them at worst? Pass. Russia is why we back off on Iran.

Yeah, it would be terrible to piss off one of the countries that is selling Iran the illegal chemicals they need to make the Nuclear bombs.....that would be terrible.

 

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, it would be terrible to piss off one of the countries that is selling Iran the illegal chemicals they need to make the Nuclear bombs.....that would be terrible.

It would when it's Russia, yes. It's not like they are defenseless or that they don't have a pretty ambitious leader. It's best to steer them into deciding for themselves to take a stronger stand against Iran than trying to force it on them, which would surely fail.

 

[Kelly]

I would agree with you, IF we had a stronger administration in the area of Foreign Policy. I don't believe we do....I believe we have an administration that simply likes to say "I'm sorry...." to everything, rather than effectively negotiate anything.....

They haven't proven to me that they can do this, and I don't think we have time for them to learn.

 

[Kurosawa]

I would agree with you, IF we had a stronger administration in the area of Foreign Policy. I don't believe we do....I believe we have an administration that simply likes to say "I'm sorry...." to everything, rather than effectively negotiate anything.....

They haven't proven to me that they can do this, and I don't think we have time for them to learn.

I think that's a pretty narrow way to look at it. So far I've been pleased with their handling of Iran, as have most Iranians abroad who support the green movement. I definitely like this more mature approach over the Bush administrations childishness. Hopefully the next few weeks will get some degree of positive movement from Russia. It also stands to reason that after 8 years of horrid Bush policies, that they would be reluctant to cut deals with us-they are slow to cut deals with us even when we have good leadership.

 

[omid17]

I think that's a pretty narrow way to look at it. So far I've been pleased with their handling of Iran, as have most Iranians abroad who support the green movement. I definitely like this more mature approach over the Bush administrations childishness. Hopefully the next few weeks will get some degree of positive movement from Russia. It also stands to reason that after 8 years of horrid Bush policies, that they would be reluctant to cut deals with us-they are slow to cut deals with us even when we have good leadership.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think that's a pretty narrow way to look at it. So far I've been pleased with their handling of Iran, as have most Iranians abroad who support the green movement. I definitely like this more mature approach over the Bush administrations childishness. Hopefully the next few weeks will get some degree of positive movement from Russia. It also stands to reason that after 8 years of horrid Bush policies, that they would be reluctant to cut deals with us-they are slow to cut deals with us even when we have good leadership.

Personally I think we need to take an approach that is in between Bush's antagonism and Obama's apologetic attitudes of diplomacy towards Iran. Having extremes doesn't work in a case like this.

 

[Arc-Light]

I say we work on getting inside information from Iranians to exactly where these Nuclear reactors are....and take them out.....

I'm tired of waiting for permission from the UN on this stuff.



But, oh wait.....we don't have time to think about that because we are too busy investigating the CIA.....well hey at least we have our priorities straight....*major eye roll*

Awesome that's what this country needs another war wooot.

 

[Kelly]

Personally I think we need to take an approach that is in between Bush's antagonism and Obama's apologetic attitudes of diplomacy towards Iran. Having extremes doesn't work in a case like this.

I agree......I felt that Bush's diplomacy was a complete disaster.........BUT, I didn't want to go totally to the other side of the spectrum either.....and @ Kurosawa I was speaking as a whole, not just in the area of Iran. As far as that is concerned, I thought we were far to slow in coming out against the government's treatment of the protesters.....BUT, yes we did take a stand.

 

[Kurosawa]

Personally I think we need to take an approach that is in between Bush's antagonism and Obama's apologetic attitudes of diplomacy towards Iran. Having extremes doesn't work in a case like this.

Setting up a new missile defense system that will protect Israel doesn't strike me as being apologetic to Iran, nor does constantly slamming them for their holocaust denials, which is damn well deserved. The scrapped plan apparently didn't even protect Israel which is COMPLETELY unacceptable. Protecting Israel should be our first priority in regards to Iran.