The Iran Thread

[Spider-Bite]

Libertarians must be like acid to you.

I'm as Liberal as they come. Campaign volunteer and everything. In a few days I even plan to join a protest for gay rights near a voting station, because they are voting on marriage this week.

and before anybody throws insults my way, just because I belive in equal rights doesn't mean I'm gay, because I'm not.

 

[CConn]

I'm as Liberal as they come. Campaign volunteer and everything. In a few days I even plan to join a protest for gay rights near a voting station, because they are voting on marriage this week.

and before anybody throws insults my way, just because I belive in equal rights doesn't mean I'm gay, because I'm not.

I wouldn't insult you for being gay (not that you are).

I would insult you for giving someone s**t over a simple quote.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I wasn't giving him anything. This is a democracy. He's entitled to have his views. I was merely arguing and debating politics with him. We both got a touch of politics in our signatures, and we are all here in a thread talking about politics.

 

[CConn]

Iranian politics. In any case, if I argued with everyone who's sig I disagreed with, I'd probably be quite disliked, and accused of having a sandy vagina. I would hate for that fate to befall you.

 

[Spider-Bite]

well I'm just having fun. and I don't have a vagina, nor do I have sand in my crotch.

 

[hippie_hunter]

bigger government is just a group of people working together as a whole. In a democracy all the citizens have a say in the matter.

And even before there wasa government there was still people telling other people what to do.

If anything history and the middle east has shown us that small weak governments are too easy to corrupt (cough) republicans (end of cough), while offering their citizens very little.

Big government is also corruptable, the Soviet Union and it's satelite states are perfect examples of this. Also when a party is in power for a long time they tend to get arrogant and corrupt like the Liberals of Canada and the Republicans in the United States.

In my opinion, the two-party system is another reason for corruption in the United States because it limits our choices and hinders democracy. Allowing it easier for the parties to get arrogant and corrupt. When the Democrats gain power someday the same will happen to them.

You see even the left can be corruptable and just not the right.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You guys might remember a certain anti balistic missile treaty from 1972, which Mr Bush decided would no longer apply to the US, Iran has the same power to do so as its not bound by sanctions. Ifwe in the west don't lead by good example we give rise to horrible precedents for other nations to follow.

The Soviet Union no longer exists thus most of our treaties with the Soviet Union are now void, I agree with Bush on this idea. Also in today's world with the rising power of China and the insanity of the leadership in nations such as Iran and North Korea, it's better to play it safe with having an ABM Shield than without one. Also the ABM Shield is not used for offense, but for defense.

MAD is the stupidiest idea ever! Its why India and pakistan won't disarm, and the reason Iran now wants Nukes.

Mutually assured destruction is the reason why another war between India and Pakistan hasn't occured. Or one between India and China. Or one between China and Taiwan. Or the Soviet Union and the United States. Or Israel and the Arab powers. Mutually assured destruction is what is preventing a major war in today's world and why it hasn't been destroyed yet. It has advanced the technology of the world to where it is today. Nations like Iran and North Korea aren't developing nuclear weapons for the concept of mutually assured destruciton, they're developing to actually using them.

Dude, i hate to seem anti semetic, cause i'm not, but i'm totally not prozionist either, so i'll just say, King David Hotel. Israel has an extremely bloody history, they are no less primitive than the new terrorists, just alot better funded.

Modern Israel is so armed up today because of the chance of an invasion by the Arab powers and Iran. If they didn't Israel would be destroyed. Israel has a legitimately good reason to be militarily prepared for an attack and is probally the only nation in the world that has the right for a pre-emptive attack.

 

[JLBats]

Big government is also corruptable, the Soviet Union and it's satelite states are perfect examples of this. The Democrats have just as long history of corruption as the Republicans do. It's not the size of government that's the problem, it's the two-party system in my opinion. When one party gains power for a long time, they become arrogant and corrupt, just like the Republicans have today. Or like the Liberals did in Canada. It will happen to the Democrats someday and the Conservatives in Canada if they stay in power for long too. Also the two-party system hinder's democracy by limiting our choices.

Except that Canada doesn't really have a two party system and was still prone to corruption.

Although, the NDP and the Bloc are unlikely to get elected, so I give them a whatever.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Except that Canada doesn't really have a two party system and was still prone to corruption.

Although, the NDP and the Bloc are unlikely to get elected, so I give them a whatever.

See you just reversed your own statement. The New Democratic Party and the Bloc Quebeqois have no chance at gaining a majority like the Liberals and Conservatvies do. Canada is like a psuedo-two party state where other parties can win seats but never a majority like the major parties do. But I made the Liberal example to Spider-Bite to prove to him that even big government run by those on the left are also prone to corruption. No one in politics are perfect and he needs to realise that those he supports aren't the angels he thinks they are. Liberalism can suffer the same faults as conservativism and vice versa. That was the message I was trying to get across.

 

[JLBats]

See you just reversed your own statement. The New Democratic Party and the Bloc Quebeqois have no chance at gaining a majority like the Liberals and Conservatvies do. Canada is like a psuedo-two party state where other parties can win seats but never a majority like the major parties do. But I made the Liberal example to Spider-Bite to prove to him that even big government run by those on the left are also prone to corruption. No one in politics are perfect and he needs to realise that those he supports aren't the angels he thinks they are. Liberalism can suffer the same faults as conservativism and vice versa. That was the message I was trying to get across.

I realise that, but you were basing your statement on the cause of that corruption being the two party system. I was merely pointing out that we aren't a two party system. You might suggest that NDP and Bloc have little chance at getting a majority, but in my opinion that's more a fault of the current agendas both parties have. I won't even bother with Bloc since it only runs for seats in Quebec, but if the NDP were to take a shift towards the center and work on their actual campaigning practices, they could easily become more popular and have a chance at winning the left vote. Suggesting ours is a quasi-two party system would be (almost) like suggesting America has a one party system due to the Democrats current lack of direction.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I realise that, but you were basing your statement on the cause of that corruption being the two party system. I was merely pointing out that we aren't a two party system. You might suggest that NDP and Bloc have little chance at getting a majority, but in my opinion that's more a fault of the current agendas both parties have. I won't even bother with Bloc since it only runs for seats in Quebec, but if the NDP were to take a shift towards the center and work on their actual campaigning practices, they could easily become more popular and have a chance at winning the left vote. Suggesting ours is a quasi-two party system would be (almost) like suggesting America has a one party system do to the Democrats current lack of direction.

But because the ignorant American public, the Democrats actually have a chance of winning simply because the Republicans are the party of Bush.

But again my statement was to show Spider-Bite ideal that liberals cannot be corrupted and that all Republicans are evil and corrupt is not true. Hence why I added in the Liberals in Canada and the Soviet Union and its satelite state (not liberal but extremely leftist) as examples. I was pointing out the two-party system as more of a problem for the United States.

 

[JLBats]

But because the ignorant American public, the Democrats actually have a chance of winning simply because the Republicans are the party of Bush.

But again my statement was to show Spider-Bite ideal that liberals cannot be corrupted and that all Republicans are evil and corrupt is not true. Hence why I added in the Liberals in Canada and the Soviet Union and its satelite state (not liberal but extremely leftist) as examples. I was pointing out the two-party system as more of a problem for the United States.

I understand that, but the way you stated it connected the corruption as the result of a two party system, so when you started putting in countries that had no such system it just seemed odd to me, and wasn't really an example proving your point about the two party system. Anyway, bygones.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I understand that, but the way you stated it connected the corruption as the result of a two party system, so when you started putting in countries that had no such system it just seemed odd to me, and wasn't really an example proving your point about the two party system. Anyway, bygones.

True, now that I've re-read it it is a little confusing. I'll retype it later

 

[hippie_hunter]

There I fixed it, I hope it sounds a bit better.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Big government is also corruptable, the Soviet Union and it's satelite states are perfect examples of this. Also when a party is in power for a long time they tend to get arrogant and corrupt like the Liberals of Canada and the Republicans in the United States.

In my opinion, the two-party system is another reason for corruption in the United States because it limits our choices and hinders democracy. Allowing it easier for the parties to get arrogant and corrupt. When the Democrats gain power someday the same will happen to them.

You see even the left can be corruptable and just not the right.

I know there are corrupt democrats, but I believe the republicans are more corrupt. YOu look at the policies and the flow of campaign donations and it becomes obvious. The republicans help the rich and the rich help the republicans.

High government secrecy and communism allow big government corruption to flourish. That's why democracy and minimum secrecy are important. That's why I oppose much of the patriot act. It's too easy for our govenrment leaders to tap somebody's phone, find out who knows what, and then silence them by having them locked up as an enemy combatant where they get no trial or phone call or lawyer or chance to tell their side of the story. If I thought every one of our leaders were innocent wonderful people I would totally support this stuff, but unfortantely that's not the case.

 

[Addendum]

There is no such thing as "honest politicians". The only thing I trust my elected leaders to do, is to **** up everything they touch.

Nothing the government does surprises me.

 

[HUMAN]

Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know [it]?

And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

Thus saith the Lord GOD; [Art] thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days [many] years that I would bring thee against them?

And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall come up in my face.

For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that [are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Ezekiel 38:14-23

 

[Hobgoblin]

Hasnt the land of Gog been interpreted to mean Russia? If so, does that mean Russia will try to invade Israel?

 

[TheSumOfGod]

The last week of July... watch for it (with sunglasses and from a safe distance)...

 

[Addendum]

And then in August, you'll bump back your prediction to December...

 

[TheSumOfGod]

And then in August, you'll bump back your prediction to December...

No, if at the beginning of August it ends up that I was wrong about this prediction in particular, then I'll simply admit that I was wrong about this prediction in particular.

 

[Darthphere]

No, if at the beginning of August it ends up that I was wrong about this prediction in particular, then I'll simply admit that I was wrong about this prediction in particular.

You already changed your time table once. Didnt you say this war would happen in March?

 

[Addendum]

Don't mind him. He's just recycling predictions

 

[TheSumOfGod]

You already changed your time table once. Didnt you say this war would happen in March?

No, no, that was the invasion of Iran. The timetable for the invasion of Iran is variable. The timetable for Jerusalem being nuked resulting in the beginning of WWIII, however, is NOT.

 

[Darthphere]

No, no, that was the invasion of Iran. The timetable for the invasion of Iran is variable. The timetable for Jerusalem being nuked resulting in the beginning of WWIII, however, is NOT.

You know, sometimes I get the feeling that you want all these things to happen, just so you can come here and say I told you so.