The Iran Thread

[Tron5000]

You're the one that lacks the capacity to handle rejection, and your question is without merit.

You really are Hannity junior so keep whining about me not answering your worthless questions, and I'll just keep laughing

So moving on to the topic of the thread instead of meaningless dribble, has anything else happened?

You say "Hannity Junior" as though you mean it to be an insult. Here's another question (which you likely will not answer since you have yet to address the previous two):

Do you consider Sean Hannity's son to be a bad person? Because he is truly Hannity Junior.

And exactly how is my question without merit? There is no merit in asking if you believe that the 3 individuals I mentioned are lying to the American public?

I eagerly await your long-winded dance around the question.

 

[Marx]

SO how 'bout those rumors of the US striking Iran by August???

 

[Addendum]

SO how 'bout those rumors of the US striking Iran by August???

It's nothing more than a last attempt to salvage Bush's legacy

 

[raybia]

Why in God's name would we want to go into another war right now? It makes no sense at all, but we are talking about the Bush Administration so common sense goes out the window.

Global domination?

 

[Marx]

Global domination?

You know Hitler made that mistake.

 

[raybia]

You know Hitler made that mistake.

Good always triumphs in the end.

 

[Addendum]

Though it depends on the amount of money offered

 

[That'ssuper!]

What idiot would extent a country which is already over extended when they don't need to? Israel has nukes, let them handle the issue, why America?

 

[Marx]

What idiot would extent a country which is already over extended when they don't need to? Israel has nukes, let them handle the issue, why America?

Because the United States has a "police-the-world" mentality.

 

[Arc-Light]

Because the United States has a "police-the-world" mentality.

That is no joke that is exactly the mentality of most republicans in our country think, the " We think we know better, so we can do whatever the hell we want " mentality, and it needs to stop. Its this type of mentality that got us 9/11 in the 1st place.

 

[Marx]

That is no joke that is exactly the mentality of most republicans in our country think, the " We think we know better, so we can do whatever the hell we want " mentality, and it needs to stop. Its this type of mentality that got us 9/11 in the 1st place.

I'm being completely serious. That mentality has gotten us in a lot of trouble throughout the world. Hopefully when a new president is elected (a Democratic one) our foreign policy will change from "BOMB" to something more appropriate. I hope that we will begin to do more on the humanitarian front than we have in these last eight years.

 

[Arc-Light]

I'm being completely serious. That mentality has gotten us in a lot of trouble throughout the world. Hopefully when a new president is elected (a Democratic one) our foreign policy will change from "BOMB" to something more appropriate. I hope that we will begin to do more on the humanitarian front that we have in these last eight years.

I agree...

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

*Cough* Iraq *Cough*



nice move US of A. if u fail at Iraq try again with Iran

The thing is,Iran is strong enough to fight back.

 

[Tron5000]

Apparently there's no need to attack Iran. According to Princess Pelosi, why, I guess we should actually be thanking Iran. You see, the successes being seen in Iraq have nothing to do with General Petraeus's surge, or the tribal leaders overcoming differences and working together for the first time, or Prime Minister al-Maliki and the Iraqi military leadership in the month-long campaign that defeated the Sadrists. No, the progress in Iraq is actually due to Iranian "goodwill."

Don't believe me? Well, Princess Botox said so:

"Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn't accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians-they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities-the Iranians."

Well, guess that settles that. Thanks Iran! Try not to kill any more of our soldiers, OK? It's cool.

 

[dpm07]

Nothing is going to happen. I don't see the US attacking Iran, especially during an election year. There will be verbal sparring back and forth, but that is all. We will not attack Iran with an air strike, conventional land force, and definitely not nukes.

If one follows the nightly news closely, they will see that there will likely be no attack. Words that are to the effect stating they might, are simply action verbs designed to gather ratings in the media.

 

[Tron5000]

I'm being completely serious. That mentality has gotten us in a lot of trouble throughout the world. Hopefully when a new president is elected (a Democratic one) our foreign policy will change from "BOMB" to something more appropriate. I hope that we will begin to do more on the humanitarian front than we have in these last eight years.

"More on the humanitarian front"?

American is the most generous nation in the world. We even provide aid to the citizens of enemy nations. When there is a natural disaster in the world, America gives the most and the quickest assistance. We liberate nations from tyrannical regimes. We establish democratic governments in nations that have never had them. We forced Lybia to abandon their nuclear program.

We have done much on the humanitarian front, and likewise will continue to do so. Americans want to help others, and we do it better than anyone. There is no more humanitarian nation than America.

 

[Zen]

Apparently there's no need to attack Iran. According to Princess Pelosi, why, I guess we should actually be thanking Iran. You see, the successes being seen in Iraq have nothing to do with General Petraeus's surge, or the tribal leaders overcoming differences and working together for the first time, or Prime Minister al-Maliki and the Iraqi military leadership in the month-long campaign that defeated the Sadrists. No, the progress in Iraq is actually due to Iranian "goodwill."

Don't believe me? Well, Princess Botox said so:

"Whatever the military success, and progress that may have been made, the surge didn't accomplish its goal. And some of the success of the surge is that the goodwill of the Iranians-they decided in Basra when the fighting would end, they negotiated that cessation of hostilities-the Iranians."

Well, guess that settles that. Thanks Iran! Try not to kill any more of our soldiers, OK? It's cool.

Actually this is true.

Iran negotiated the cease fire in Basra, thats a fact.

the surge has yet to accomplish its goal. thats a fact.

The cease-fire at basra was seen as a good thing. thats a fact.

Iran wants a Shia lead government in Iraq, and hated saddaaam. thats a fact.

Iran has stopped the flow of weapons and training of militants into Iraq. thats a fact confirmed by Petraeus and other generals on the ground.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/03/iran-no-longer-aids-iraq-militants/

the fact is, when it comes to iraq right now... Iran is our friend. as hard as that is to swallow thats the reality, and thats where diplomacy with Iran over nuclear weapons should begin.

now if your talking nukes, then you got a leg to stand on. but concerning Iraq, i do not think the facts agree with your understanding of the issue. but i dont claim to have an ultimate understanding either...

what have i missed?

 

[Marx]

"More on the humanitarian front"?

American is the most generous nation in the world. We even provide aid to the citizens of enemy nations. When there is a natural disaster in the world, America gives the most and the quickest assistance. We liberate nations from tyrannical regimes. We establish democratic governments in nations that have never had them. We forced Lybia to abandon their nuclear program.

We have done much on the humanitarian front, and likewise will continue to do so. Americans want to help others, and we do it better than anyone. There is no more humanitarian nation than America.

Really? In the the last eight years? We have? I'm not talking about the American people. I'm talking about the American government. Had it not been for the American people and former presidents over the course of the last eight years, we wouldn't have accomplished anything on the humanitarian front.

 

[Tron5000]

Really? In the the last eight years? We have? I'm not talking about the American people. I'm talking about the American government. Had it not been for the American people and former presidents over the course of the last eight years, we wouldn't have accomplished anything on the humanitarian front.

We sent massive amounts of aid after the tsunami, and more recently to Myanmar and China. We have passed several pieces of legislation during Bush's presidency that have resulted in trillions of dollars in assistance to nations around the world. We even offer aid to the citizens of Iran, while their leadership is actively engaging in efforts to kill our soldiers in Iraq. I would find it very difficult to imagine that there is another nation in the world that offers more assistance to the world community than the USA. I guess that could be possible, but I find it hard to believe.

 

[Marx]

We sent massive amounts of aid after the tsunami, and more recently to Myanmar and China. We have passed several pieces of legislation during Bush's presidency that have resulted in trillions of dollars in assistance to nations around the world. We even offer aid to the citizens of Iran, while their leadership is actively engaging in efforts to kill our soldiers in Iraq. I would find it very difficult to imagine that there is another nation in the world that offers more assistance to the world community than the USA. I guess that could be possible, but I find it hard to believe.

I am saying that anything that has been done in the last eight years has largely been because of the american people or former presidents. (Not because of the Bush Administration.) I want our next administration to take a more active role.

 

[Tron5000]

I am saying that anything that has been done in the last eight years has largely been because of the american people or former presidents. (Not because of the Bush Administration.) I want our next administration to take a more active role.

I'm just saying that the Bush administration has taken an active role. Their humanitarian activities just largely go ignored because they're not ratings-grabbers.

Look at the current situation with North Korea. Once a dreaded enemy and member of the Axis of Evil, Kim Jong Il has abandoned his nuclear program and we are sending tons upon tons of aid to North Korea. We have done this through peaceful, humanitarian efforts.

There are many examples of humanitarian efforts launched and engaged in by the Bush administration.

This from Bob Geldof (who I think we all know is about as far from Republican as one can get):

http://mpinkeyes.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/george-w-bush-the-great-humanitarian/

Mr. Geldof praised Mr. Bush for his work in delivering billions to fight disease and poverty in Africa, and blasted the U.S. press for ignoring the achievement.
Mr. Bush, said Mr. Geldof, “has done more than any other president so far.”
“This is the triumph of American policy really,” he said. “It was probably unexpected of the man. It was expected of the nation, but not of the man, but both rose to the occasion.”
“What’s in it for [Mr. Bush]? Absolutely nothing,” Mr. Geldof said.
Mr. Geldof said that the president has failed “to articulate this to Americans” but said he is also “pissed off” at the press for their failure to report on this good news story.
“You guys didn’t pay attention,” Geldof said to a group of reporters from all the major newspapers.

Then there is the aid to Tanzania:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/17/africa/bush.php

Bush signs $700 million humanitarian pact in Tanzania

DAR ES SALAAM, Tanzania: President George W. Bush has been smothered with affection here, never more so than on Sunday, when he sat at a wooden desk under a sweltering sun with President Jakaya Kikwete by his side, and signed a $698 million grant of foreign aid to Tanzania.

To be sure, there is excitement about Bush. The White House says foreign aid to Africa doubled during his first term and will nearly double again, to $8.7 billion a year, by 2010 if his budget proposals are adopted. The $698 million compact he signed Sunday is the largest grant ever awarded by the Millennium Challenge Corporation, established to assist countries that embrace democracy and fight corruption.

Tanzania also benefits from Bush's global AIDS initiative, known as the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief, or Pepfar for short. Bush visited an AIDS clinic here Sunday to spotlight the program, which is to expire this year. He called on Congress to reauthorize it, and to keep intact a controversial provision that sets aside one third of money for AIDS prevention on programs that promote abstinence. Critics, including the independent Institute of Medicine, say the provision hampers prevention efforts.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Actually this is true.

Iran negotiated the cease fire in Basra, thats a fact.

the surge has yet to accomplish its goal. thats a fact.

The cease-fire at basra was seen as a good thing. thats a fact.

Iran wants a Shia lead government in Iraq, and hated saddaaam. thats a fact.

Iran has stopped the flow of weapons and training of militants into Iraq. thats a fact confirmed by Petraeus and other generals on the ground.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jan/03/iran-no-longer-aids-iraq-militants/

the fact is, when it comes to iraq right now... Iran is our friend. as hard as that is to swallow thats the reality, and thats where diplomacy with Iran over nuclear weapons should begin.

now if your talking nukes, then you got a leg to stand on. but concerning Iraq, i do not think the facts agree with your understanding of the issue. but i dont claim to have an ultimate understanding either...

what have i missed?

and........................... Zen knocks it out of the park!

 

[zenile]

That is no joke that is exactly the mentality of most republicans in our country think, the " We think we know better, so we can do whatever the hell we want " mentality, and it needs to stop. Its this type of mentality that got us 9/11 in the 1st place.

I'd rather think that a fundamentalist terrorist organization bent on imposing the rule of Islam on the Western World was the type of mentality that brought about 9/11.

 

[Marx]

I'd rather think that a fundamentalist terrorist organization bent on imposing the rule of Islam on the Western World was the type of mentality that brought about 9/11.

Our foreign policy has largely aided in fueling this fundamentalist "destroy the western world" mentality of terrorists. I'm not quite sure how you can deny that Zenile.

 

[moraldeficiency]

Too much sand in too many vaginas, that's the cause for all world conflicts. Why am I the only one to see this?