The Iran Thread

[BatJeff7786]

Boil it down to this: If Cheney & Rumsfeld have their way, we will have a war with Iran. If Bush actaully listens to the military generals who DO NOT want to go to war, then there will be no war. It all boils down to what Bush will say.

 

[The Question]

Really I think it's sad that now they have the chance to really define and build a free and fairly peaceful Iraq that they are just gonna waste it.

The thing is, that was not going to happen. Iraq was under Sadam's rule for decades. If you are born into a country like that, and never even know what it's like to not have a dictator, and suddenly he's gone and your government as you always knew it ceases to exist, are you going to react to it calmly and rationally? More likely than not, you're going to freak out. While Sadam is a terrible person, for many Iraqis, he was the only ruler they ever knew. And, while he did terrible things, he did make Iraq safe. People could walk down the street and not be afraid of getting blown up. You take away that strong a force of order that many have known their whole lives, and you will get chaos.

 

[Spider-Bite]

you weren't able to walk down the street without worrying that Saddam might kill you and your families.

by the way I wish we hadn't invaded Iraq.

 

[The Question]

I highly doubt Sadam was randomly picking people off of the street and killing them for no reason. If you pissed hom off, he would kill you, but you were still safe to walk down the street and not be afraid of getting blown up.

 

[Spider-Bite]

well that is true, however Saddam executed more people annually than there are people getting blown up annually. More people were killed under Saddam a year, but Saddam's were not random.

Not sure how much that difference is worth though. Especially since for fun he watch hungry dovermine pinchers locked in a room with his victims.
Sometimes he would run people through meat grinders.

that guy was so disgusting.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I didn't read the whole post, but I think that Iran might be bound and determined to go to war. They are a powerful country, but they got the United States, Russia, and even China ready to pounce them at the first sign of trouble. I think the way things are going over there the middle east is going to get angry at Iran because this terrorist activity is causing them more problems.

How this will effect Iraq? Hard to say.

1. Iran is not a powerful country. Their military would be crushed easily by a powerful western nation, Russia, or China.

2. China and Russia are not ready to pounce over Iran. They want Iran's oil. They do not want to punish Iran at all, but they want Iran to end it's nuclear program. China and Russia are afraid that the conflict will escalate to such a level, that they will have no choice but to punish Iran or vote for a UN military strke.

3. Terrorism is not causing Iran problems because Iran supports terrorism.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Damn stright, they already got nukes, while Iran has only just managaed 3% uranium enrichment (you need about 80% for a nukes). And Iran isn't under any current treaties or sanctions to prevent them from having such weapons even if they did decide to get them.

Iran is under the Anti-Proliferation Treaty, which of course they aren't going to listen too.

Silly me, i thought blind fury was pointing out that isreal wasn't all innocent and sweet, but it seems demogoblin took it to mean isreal should kill a **** load of innocent people just because one day Iran might be able to weild some power in teh region. Sad thing is, Isreal would have precedent to do so, thanks to the US's justification of a pre emptive attack, which we all know was not just illegal, but f'*cking Bogus to begin with.

No, Israel has nuclear weapons because they have been constantly invaded by Arab powers since the day it acheived independence. The nuclear weapons are Israel's form of deterence from future invasions, not to be used pre-emptively.

Pardon?.....A POWERFUL COUNTRY? ..they don't even have an efficient energy source at the moment....why do u think they're so keen on nuclear power in the first place. For Years the US has been going on about it being a safe and efficient source of energy, then as soon as a poorer nation tries to use it for them selves it's all like "no we can't let them, they're foreign looking'

You know that Iran's oil and gas count as an efficient energy source. The reason why the Western world doesn't want Iran to have nuclear technology is because they can't be trusted with it. They have expressed their desire to destroy Israel and to see the downfall of the United States. The nuclear powers of today don't have the balls to use nuclear weapons. Iran does.

 

[Symbiotica]

Shortened for clarity: Death to Islam.

 

[D.Rex]

Exactly Symbiotica. We should let Israel handle this themselves. They are more than capable and don't need anybody else help. I think that the majority of the world is tired of muslim extremists as are the majority of the muslim population. I don't think this issue will progress to the point where Iran has nukes and uses them. They still have a long way to go and lauching one would turn the whole rest of the world against them. It would be like charging with a knife at a group of people who have guns. Not a smart idea. While they would definetly use it if allowed to have one I don't think it will get that far. Israel can handle this issue because as of right now Iran isn't capable of defending themselves and they know it. Outside of a few soliders and suicide bombers they really don't have a large army or any real military strength. Hopefully this issue can be sorted out without an invasion. But if there must be an invasion it shouldn't be a US invasion.

 

[Darthphere]

You know im proud of Iran. People dont theaten israel enough these days.

 

[ScottyBBadd]

It's like Iran is trying to provoke George Bush's itchy trigger finger
I can't wait for this war

That is a scary thought.

 

[Spider-Bite]

1. Iran is not a powerful country. Their military would be crushed easily by a powerful western nation, Russia, or China.

2. China and Russia are not ready to pounce over Iran. They want Iran's oil. They do not want to punish Iran at all, but they want Iran to end it's nuclear program. China and Russia are afraid that the conflict will escalate to such a level, that they will have no choice but to punish Iran or vote for a UN military strke.

3. Terrorism is not causing Iran problems because Iran supports terrorism.

well according to military generals it is a powerful country. I didn't say they were a match for the U.S.

Everybody wants Iran's oil.

I know Iran supports terrorism. That's a big part of why we are breathing down their necks which will become a problem for them. That's what I mean. Many middle eastern government leaders asked for Saddam to step down to avoid another war in the region.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Iran is much more powerful than Iraq. That is what I should say. If we think we have an insurgency on our hands now, then just wait till we go to Iran.

 

[dpm07]

I've said this before, and I will say it again. Nothing is going to happen. There's going to be a lot of blustering, and then there's going to be a backroom deal that will appease all sides. People need to relax. We are not going to attack Iran, and Iran is not going to attack Israel. I suppose it is possible that we may punish them with a casual airstrike, but nothing more will happen. Don't worry. There will not be a commitment of ground troops to punish Iran. We have to trust in our leadership to handle the situation.

Just relax. Nothing is going to happen. I really don't believe anything will happen.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I've said this before, and I will say it again. Nothing is going to happen. There's going to be a lot of blustering, and then there's going to be a backroom deal that will appease all sides. People need to relax. We are not going to attack Iran, and Iran is not going to attack Israel. I suppose it is possible that we may punish them with a casual airstrike, but nothing more will happen. Don't worry. There will not be a commitment of ground troops to punish Iran. We have to trust in our leadership to handle the situation.

Just relax. Nothing is going to happen. I really don't believe anything will happen.

I think this is just wishful thinking. they just rescently said they will not back down, and they will not budge.

 

[Addendum]

I guess I should have believed my friend when I was 6. He told me that if he wrapped a bath-towel around his neck and jumped off the roof of his house, he'd fly just like Superman.

 

[D.Rex]

When I was 6 my brother and I jumped off our porch wih umbrellas thinking we would float done.

Stupid Peter Pan movie. Giving kids bad ideas.

 

[GarudA]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2136638,00.html

Iran suicide bombers ‘ready to hit Britain’
Marie Colvin, Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter



IRAN has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.
The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high.



Dr Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said in a speech that 29 western targets had been identified: “We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.” He added that some of them were “quite close” to the Iranian border in Iraq.

In a tape recording heard by The Sunday Times, Abbasi warned the would-be martyrs to “pay close attention to wily England” and vowed that “Britain’s demise is on our agenda”.

At a recruiting station in Tehran recently, volunteers for the force had to show their birth certificates, give proof of their address and tick a box stating whether they would prefer to attack American targets in Iraq or Israeli targets.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned last Friday that Israel was heading towards “annihilation”. He was speaking at a Tehran conference on Palestinian rights aimed at promoting Iran as a new Middle Eastern superpower.

According to western intelligence documents leaked to The Sunday Times, the Revolutionary Guards are in charge of a secret nuclear weapons programme designed to evade the scrutiny of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

One of the leaked reports, dating from February this year, confirms that President George W Bush is preparing to strike Iran. “If the problem is not resolved in some way, he intends to act before leaving office because it would be ‘unfair’ to leave the task of destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities to a new president,” the document says.

Alireza Jafarzadeh, a former spokesman for National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), an opposition group, said a secret, parallel military programme was under way. According to sources inside Iran, the Revolutionary Guards were constructing underground sites that could be activated if Iran’s known nuclear facilities were destroyed.

The NCRI is the political wing of the Mujaheddin-e-Khalq, which is deemed a terrorist organisation in Britain and America. However, much of its information is considered to be “absolutely credible” by western intelligence sources after Jafarzadeh revealed the existence of the Natanz plant in 2002.

Within the past year, 14 large and several smaller projects have been created, according to Jafarzadeh. Several are designed to be nuclear factories; others are for the storage of weapons, he claimed

 

[Addendum]

(We sse Edinburgh Castle at dusk. The lone piper is silhouetted against the crimson-streaked sky.)

Jeremy: (voice over) The lone piper on the battlements of Edinburgh 'Castle...

(There are a few bars of bagpipe music. Suddenly there is a scream and he disappears. Cut to interior of stone-walled guardroom inside Edinburgh Castle. Ten kilted Scottish guardsmen with bagpipes in a line. A sergeant major at the door taps one on the shoulder.)

RSM: Next!

(The next goes outside. We hear pipes start, the sergeant smiles. Cut to castle battlements. The piper plays and then jumps off We hear the scream as before. Another piper emerges and goes through the same routine.)

Voice Over: (Scottish accent) Here on top of Edinburgh Castle, in conditions of extreme secrecy, men are being trained for the British Army's first Kamikaze Regiment, the Queen's Own McKamikaze Highlanders. (there is a scream and a piper jumps off, another one emerges and starts to play) So successful has been the training of the Kamikaze Regiment that the numbers have dwindled from 30,000 to just over a dozen in three weeks. What makes these young Scotsmen so keen to kill themselves?

(Close ups of soldiers.)

Scots Soldier: The money's good!

Second Soldier: And the water skiing! (he falls down with a scream)

(Cut to interior of the guardroom in Edinburgh Castle. As before, but with only six men left plus the sergeant major. Bagpipes and a scream. The sergeant major dispatches another man. A captain enters. Bagpipes again.)

RSM: Ten-shun,

Captain: All right, sergeant major. At ease. Now, how many chaps have you got left,?

RSM: Six, sir,

Captain: Six? (there is a scream)

RSM: Five, sir. (to another highlander carrying bagpipes) Good luck, Johnson. (Johnson leaves)

Captain: Jolly good show, sergeant maior. (we hear bagpipes starting up outside) Well, I've come to tell you that we've got a job for your five lads.

(There is a scream.)

RSM: Four, sir.

Captain: For your four lads.

RSM: (whispering to another man) Good luck, Taggart.

Taggart: Thank you, sarge. (he goes)

Captain: (looking rather uncertainly at the man leaving) Now this mission's going to be dangerous, (bagpipes start) and it's going to be tough, and we're going to need every lad of yours to pull his weight. (the usual scream in the background) Now, which ... er ... which four are they?

RSM: These three here, sir. OK. Off you go, Smith.

Smith: (with manic eagerness) Right! (he charges out through door before captain can stop him)

Captain: (with mounting concern) ... er ... sergeant major!

RSM: Yes, sir? (bagpipes start outside)

Captain: You don't think it might be a good idea... er... to stop the training programme for a little bit?

RSM: They got to be trained, sir. It's a dangerous job.

Captain: Yes ... I know... but... er ... (the usual scream)

RSM: All right MacPherson, you're next, off you go.

Captain: You see what is worrying me, sergeant major, is... MacPherson I'll make it a gud'un, sir! (he dashes off)

RSM: Good luck, MacPherson.

Captain: Er... MacPherson... (the bagpipes start up) only this mission really is very dangerous. We're going to need both the chaps that you've got left (scream)

RSM: Both of who, sir?

Captain: Sergeant major, what's this man's name?

RSM: This one sir? This one is MacDonald, sir.

Captain: No, no, no, no. (the captain stops MacDonald who is straining quite hard to get away) Hang on to MacDonald, sergeant major, hang on to him.

RSM: I don't know whether I can, sir... (MacDonald's eyes are staring in a strange way) he's in a sute of Itsubishi Kyoko McSayonara.

Captain: What's that?

(They are both struggling to restrain MacDonald.)

RSM: It's the fifth state that a Scotsman can achieve, sir. He's got to finish himself off by lunchtime or he thinks he's let down the Emperor, sir.

Captain: Well, can't we get him out of it?

RSM: Oh, I dunno how to, sir. Our Kamikaze instructor, Mr Yashimoto, was so good he never left Tokyo airport.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I guess I should have believed my friend when I was 6. He told me that if he wrapped a bath-towel around his neck and jumped off the roof of his house, he'd fly just like Superman.

Your signature is ridiculous. Why is it that Homo Sapien was able to survive through the ages while all of our competing hominid species became extinct?

Because of our ability to communicate. We used language to combine our efforts and work together as a group as a society. You can't just sum it up and say big government is bad. Every single issue is different, when it comes to governemtn intervention. Just like religion. sometims obeying the bible is a bad thing, while sometimes it isn't.

Stoning people to death is obviously wrong, while but "Thou shall not commit murder" is not.

Higher minimum wages have been PROVEN to help the economy. But the federal government stepping all over marriage and telling who can marry who would help not even a single person.

 

[Addendum]

Wait a minute. I'm the only one allowed to bring up off-topic stuff

Homo Sapiens survived for quite a long time before they invented the concept of government.

"Civilised men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

 

[psychocheeseman]

Iran is under the Anti-Proliferation Treaty, which of course they aren't going to listen too.

You guys might remember a certain anti balistic missile treaty from 1972, which Mr Bush decided would no longer apply to the US, Iran has the same power to do so as its not bound by sanctions. Ifwe in the west don't lead by good example we give rise to horrible precedents for other nations to follow.

Israel has nuclear weapons because they have been constantly invaded by Arab powers since the day it acheived independence. The nuclear weapons are Israel's form of deterence from future invasions, not to be used pre-emptively.

MAD is the stupidiest idea ever! Its why India and pakistan won't disarm, and the reason Iran now wants Nukes.

The point i was trying to make, before i totally discombobulated myself, was that we must uphold the rule of law, If we want other nations to abide by rules we set down, we need to apply them arbitraily to all nations (sp)

I say sit back, give Israel what they need and let Israel settle the issue. Which they could easily do, being both extremely competent and lacking all scruple on the issue. They know what these people are like far better than we do. , Israel. I think at this point practically the entire world is sick and tired of the problems created by these religious extremists and their primitive mentality.

Dude, i hate to seem anti semetic, cause i'm not, but i'm totally not prozionist either, so i'll just say, King David Hotel. Israel has an extremely bloody history, they are no less primitive than the new terrorists, just alot better funded.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Wait a minute. I'm the only one allowed to bring up off-topic stuff

Homo Sapiens survived for quite a long time before they invented the concept of government.

"Civilised men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

bigger government is just a group of people working together as a whole. In a democracy all the citizens have a say in the matter.

And even before there wasa government there was still people telling other people what to do.

If anything history and the middle east has shown us that small weak governments are too easy to corrupt (cough) republicans (end of cough), while offering their citizens very little.

 

[Matt]

Anyone else sick of all of Iran's talk? **** or get off the pot already.

 

[CConn]

bigger government is just a group of people working together as a whole. In a democracy all the citizens have a say in the matter.

And even before there wasa government there was still people telling other people what to do.

If anything history and the middle east has shown us that small weak governments are too easy to corrupt (cough) republicans (end of cough), while offering their citizens very little.

Libertarians must be like acid to you.