Iron Man 2 The Iron Man 2 Box Office Prediction Thread

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The Spider-Man movies were Peter Parker movies with Spider-Man making a guest appearance.

Spider-Man 2 maybe had just one more action scene than Iron Man 2 and that was the car chase scene that make Parker late to the play. The other action scenes were the bank and the train scene. The end fight with Doc Ock was about as short as the end Whiplash fight, even then it wasn't really a fight because all Spider-Man was trying to do was stop the machine.

So no, Spider-Man 2 wasn't some Micheal Bay spectacle.

The big difference is though, the action scene's in Spiderman 2 were WHOLLY satisfying, in fact, the 2 main fights are both considered 2 of the better ever to be put on screen, and they lasted for more than 30 seconds, THATS the big difference.

People dont want explosions every 5 minutes, thats just taking peoples comments out of proportion, but they want satisfying action scene's which make the character moments all worth it, IM2 didnt have those IMO.

 

[Tony Stark]

I agree that the train scene in SM2 is by far the best Superhero battle. The action in Begins and TDK were widely criticized as not being satisfying, yet people liked both movies. I'd put the action in both IM movies above Nolan's Batman movies and a notch above the X-men movies.

Secondly the Monaco scene the fight starts with Tony in the car, and part of the brilliance of that scene is how Tony uses his smarts and athleticism to fight Vanko without the suit.

A long battle with the suit could have the same problem SM2 had in that Doc Ock had no superpowers outside of the arms, yet Spider-man with superior strength hits him in the face several times and Ock is fine.

The use of the suitcase armor was brilliant because in the suit he only has his repulsors for weapons, and no flight capability. He did have incredible strength as shown by him kicking the car back, and a long fight sequence with Iron Man hitting Vanko several times with his repulsors on bare skin and/or punching him multiple times would have looked rediculous. Vanko used the whips to deflect the repulsors, but once Tony got in close it was over.

 

[ElMariachi]

Mmm, yeah. Avatar, Titanic, and TDK were TOTALLY kid friendly. Everybody put down their guns, talked through their differences, held hands and sang kumbayah together at the end. Bring on the Happy Meals!

Kids are a good reliable demographic, but they won't make a blockbuster, since they don't bring in a ton of repeat business. Their parents have to take them, so the parents have to want to watch it again too.

The marketing for IM2 didn't make it out to be an event, and unlike Avatar, the WOM didn't make it out to be an event either.

I don't really buy this. Avatar was very kid friendly. It was a borderline CGI cartoon in the same vein as Toy Story, Wall-E, or Alvin and the Chipmunks, with a simple story no less. Titanic was also somewhat kid friendly. I recall when that movie came out, people my age were seeing it in droves---especially younger girls (future Twlight fans) there for the romance and Di Caprio. As for TDK, it was just a popular movie where everybody went to see it. It was good, good word of mouth, it came out in mid-summer, everything that followed it's release date were garbage/adult comedies (aside from Tropic Thunder), the Heath Ledger effect, and it had enough action to please the kiddies/teens. All three of these movies of course are phenoms and make a billion dollars.

People are being way to critical of Iron Man 2's box office here. Let's all be honest here. TDK was unique compared to all Batman movies. So far, it is a one-hit wonder (by one-hit wonder, I mean that big of money) as it has blown every other Batman movie out of the water by what, $600 million dollars? The only consistent box office giant is Spider Man. Each one of those movies grossed over $800 million. It has been said earlier, Iron Man is third when it comes to box office. One of the most loved/famous heroes, Batman, has only beat Iron Man once and only the much loved, kid loved Spider Man has crushed all. Iron Man has toppled Superman, X-Men, Hulk, and the rest of the "A-List". Seriously, to quote Tony Stark in IM2, "What more do you want?". To say that Marvel should reevaulate The Avengers is silly unless they are going to make the budget for it so enormous that it must make $800-1 billion dollars. Arguing these true points is really just an indicator of those who secetly want Iron Man/Avengers to fail. Saying that they should be worried is like saying that Warner Brothers should have been worried about the Harry Potter franchise after Prisoner of Azakaban made 180 million dollars less then the first movie.

And all this talk about the action and quality of movie. Look at the highest grossing films list. Most of them are existing popular franchises, utter crap, kids movies/cartoons, and a few unique suprises/phenoms (Avatar, Titanic, Alice in Wonderland, Passion of the Christ, TDK). There aren't any superhero movies on there aside from TDK and the Spider Man movies.

 

[FaT_tONle]

^ And that's where most sequels get it wrong, they basically just do a copy and paste job from the last movie. Really, every sequel should be treated as if it's the first film in a series.

I actually agree with that, but you can get away with it when you fast track that quick sequel just to carry over what you did in film one. At least from a business point, it would make sense. SM2 was essentially a carry over. People would be wondering why Harry was explicitly out for Spidey had they not seen the original, at least until a flashback scene or whenever it was explained. But hey, it also didn't gross more than the first either. At the very least, they are taking some time off with IM3 so hopefully it won't feel like the same old with a non-tech based villain. Repeating armor wars made perfect sense IMO.

And all this talk about the action and quality of movie. Look at the highest grossing films list. Most of them are existing popular franchises, utter crap, kids movies/cartoons, and a few unique suprises/phenoms (Avatar, Titanic, Alice in Wonderland, Passion of the Christ, TDK). There aren't any superhero movies on there aside from TDK and the Spider Man movies.

People just figured it was going to top 400. "Oh TF2 did that so IM2, being the only huge franchise (I don't count Twilight) next year is going to blow it out of the water, or at least match it". No one would be complaining if you add a few dozen million to whatever the final number will end up being.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree that the train scene in SM2 is by far the best Superhero battle. The action in Begins and TDK were widely criticized as not being satisfying, yet people liked both movies. I'd put the action in both IM movies above Nolan's Batman movies and a notch above the X-men movies.

Secondly the Monaco scene the fight starts with Tony in the car, and part of the brilliance of that scene is how Tony uses his smarts and athleticism to fight Vanko without the suit.

A long battle with the suit could have the same problem SM2 had in that Doc Ock had no superpowers outside of the arms, yet Spider-man with superior strength hits him in the face several times and Ock is fine.

The use of the suitcase armor was brilliant because in the suit he only has his repulsors for weapons, and no flight capability. He did have incredible strength as shown by him kicking the car back, and a long fight sequence with Iron Man hitting Vanko several times with his repulsors on bare skin and/or punching him multiple times would have looked rediculous. Vanko used the whips to deflect the repulsors, but once Tony got in close it was over.

See, I didnt mind that scene being over so quickly because it was only early in the movie, but the finale just wasnt a showpiece at all, the action in BB and TDK werent spectacular no, but they both had one showcase action scene's which went on for a good while and in both movies it was the car chase. IM2 just didnt have that, the finale fight just wasnt satisfying at all, fighting the drones especially wasnt because they were faceless, but when Vanko arrived I thought, 'here we go, some proper stuff now' and 30 secons later I was just 'is that it?' Thats not the response to an action scene a summer blockbuster should be getting.

As for the bolded part about Spidey 2, I always thought the arms kept Ock conscience, and several added parts in 2.1 confirmed this to me.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Although I think that IM2 needed more action/the action spread out in different places that wasn't my number one problem with the film.

Anyway, IM2 is doing great internationally, for a comicbook movie, and thats good news but it's clear that unless it develops some late legs that the word of mouth is killing it's chances of hitting the first one's total domestically. That still means 600mil wordwide and another sequel that I think will be hurt by the reception of this film.

Like last weekend I expect that it's being slightly overestimated and will hit the 50% mark when all is said and done. Who knows though?

Shrek domestic numbers are just a disaster, a complete disaster and nobody wants to see SNL movies but lucky for the studio it only cost 10mil to make.

Sex And The City will be number one next weekend but I expect POP to do decently enough. It's going to have to have legs to be successful though.

Regarding the end fight in Iron Man 2, I agree with you Jamon. I would have perfered a 5 minute fight with Vanko over 15minutes of the drone battle.

It just seemed like they were on to something with Vanko and then they just stuck him in the lab for an hour. I would have always hated that Bird nonesense but Vanko would have been a pretty cool villain if the movie would have followed through on the opening scenes promise and been a revenge story.

 

[ElMariachi]

People dont want explosions every 5 minutes, thats just taking peoples comments out of proportion, but they want satisfying action scene's which make the character moments all worth it, IM2 didnt have those IMO.

what wasn't satisfying about it? I hate to keep asking this, but what more did you people want? There is seriously a fine line of length of fight scenes and being enjoying to the audience. I will take short and sweet over long and drawn out. And to be quite honest, it wasn't that short. You had the drone chase, Black Widow/Happy fight, ending with an epic beatdown delivered by IM/WM. And then you had Whiplash, which was pretty cool while it lasted---ending with an escape from a bunch of explosions. And this is beside the fact that the Monaco scene was pretty epic and the IM/WM fight was pretty decent.

 

[ElMariachi]

People just figured it was going to top 400. "Oh TF2 did that so IM2, being the only huge franchise (I don't count Twilight) next year is going to blow it out of the water, or at least match it". No one would be complaining if you add a few dozen million to whatever the final number will end up being.

well, thats the problem. Based on nothing, these people expected Iron Man 2 to make $100-300 million dollars more domestically. It's ridiculous and like I said earlier (when I was jumped), at this point it's nothing more then a d--k measuring contest with the other nerd fanbases (Transformers, Spidey, Batman, etc.). Iron Man 2 is a success and will undoubtably make more money then the first. Avengers is guranteed, so is Iron Man 3. I have a hard time believing either of those movies will bomb. And you know what? If they ever were to truly bomb, I don't care because I applaud Marvel for essentially making these movies for the comic book fans. Most people don't know anything about the Avengers, Nick Fury, SHIELD, Thor, or the plot points with Howard Stark and the various easter eggs. This whole Avengers lead up (through 5 movies) is for the fans. So, if they don't make a billion dollars on each film, but make me happy as a comic book fan----hats off to them for making this fun for us to follow their development. At least we aren't mired down in pointless reboots, crappy sequels, lame orgin stories, and flagship heroes doing battle with landmasses and rock formations.

Oh, and Twilight is a major franchise at this point.

 

[Iron_Stark]

So now the action sequences aren't satisfying? lmao

If there are too many action scenes people complain(Transformers), if they're too short people complain (Iron Man), if they're too long people complain (Revenge of the Sith)

God bless SHH.

Speaking of Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back had the least amount of action sequences in the entire saga, I wonder if people cry and moan about that as well.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

My main problem with the movie was the terrible script. The movie had one of the best casts around and they had to work with a s**t script. That was tremendously disappointing to me.

Why can't the lovers of the movie just talk about the actual movie and stop deflicting attention to those terrible Transformers movies and that awful Spider-Man 3?

 

[Iron_Stark]

My main problem with the movie was the terrible script. The movie had one of the best casts around and they had to work with a s**t script. That was tremendously disappointing to me.

Why can't the lovers of the movie just talk about the actual movie and stop deflicting attention to those terrible Transformers movies and that awful Spider-Man 3?

Please, it was hardly a terrible script, terrible is when you're talking about Fantastic Four 1 & 2, now those were putrid, rancid scripts.

 

[ElMariachi]

My main problem with the movie was the terrible script. The movie had one of the best casts around and they had to work with a s**t script. That was tremendously disappointing to me.

Why can't the lovers of the movie just talk about the actual movie and stop deflicting attention to those terrible Transformers movies and that awful Spider-Man 3?

cmon now. A s--t script? You people are looking for reasons to hate this movie now. The writing on this movie was brilliant in many of its scenes and the plot was clear to anybody who was paying attention.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Stop comparing it to other movies and just realize that I refuse to like every single comicbook movie that comes out just because it's a comicbook movie staring a good actor who has a huge nerd following.

I still like RDJ but I just don't care for the movie. It's not personal.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Stop comparing it to other movies and just realize that I refuse to like every single comicbook movie that comes out just because it's a comicbook movie staring a good actor who has a huge nerd following.

I still like RDJ but I just don't care for the movie. It's not personal.

Spidey... you praise character moments in films like FF, yet you think IM2 had an inferior script to that? We all have our tastes, but it's the **** like that that boggles the mind.

at this point it's nothing more then a d--k measuring contest with the other nerd fanbases (Transformers, Spidey, Batman, etc.).

I'm sorry but I take my d*** seriously. Wouldn't be a fanboy without one.

 

[Iron_Stark]

well, thats the problem. Based on nothing, these people expected Iron Man 2 to make $100-300 million dollars more domestically. It's ridiculous and like I said earlier (when I was jumped), at this point it's nothing more then a d--k measuring contest with the other nerd fanbases (Transformers, Spidey, Batman, etc.). Iron Man 2 is a success and will undoubtably make more money then the first. Avengers is guranteed, so is Iron Man 3. I have a hard time believing either of those movies will bomb. And you know what? If they ever were to truly bomb, I don't care because I applaud Marvel for essentially making these movies for the comic book fans. Most people don't know anything about the Avengers, Nick Fury, SHIELD, Thor, or the plot points with Howard Stark and the various easter eggs. This whole Avengers lead up (through 5 movies) is for the fans. So, if they don't make a billion dollars on each film, but make me happy as a comic book fan----hats off to them for making this fun for us to follow their development. At least we aren't mired down in pointless reboots, crappy sequels, lame orgin stories, and flagship heroes doing battle with landmasses and rock formations.

Oh, and Twilight is a major franchise at this point.

This.

I really doubt Iron Man 3 is in any kind of jeopardy of being made or if Marvel is even having second thoughts. The only thought going through their head is when can we get the third one released.

At least I know they will break the bad threequel curse because they're saving Iron Man's baddest villain for last and not shooting their load with the second one.

 

[Anita18]

I don't really buy this. Avatar was very kid friendly. It was a borderline CGI cartoon in the same vein as Toy Story, Wall-E, or Alvin and the Chipmunks, with a simple story no less. Titanic was also somewhat kid friendly. I recall when that movie came out, people my age were seeing it in droves---especially younger girls (future Twlight fans) there for the romance and Di Caprio. As for TDK, it was just a popular movie where everybody went to see it. It was good, good word of mouth, it came out in mid-summer, everything that followed it's release date were garbage/adult comedies (aside from Tropic Thunder), the Heath Ledger effect, and it had enough action to please the kiddies/teens. All three of these movies of course are phenoms and make a billion dollars.

Avatar the same level of kid-friendly as Pixar's movies? Uhh, I don't recall seeing genocide by firebombing in any Pixar film. Or people being eaten by dragons with big teeth. Or being run through with arrows or riddled with bullets. Avatar was very much PG-13, while Pixar has only gone G or PG.

But that's just me. A simple story does NOT automatically mean kid-friendly. And when I'm thinking "kid" I'm thinking under 10. Pre-teen and teen girls definitely went to Titanic for Leo, but I don't think anyone under 10 would have the kind of obsessive crushes that the 13-16-y-o have nowadays.

 

[Leenie]

At least I know they will break the bad threequel curse because they're saving Iron Man's baddest villain for last and not shooting their load with the second one.

Well, nothing 100% guaranteed, but I strongly believe that the odds are stacked in Iron Man's favor with this.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

what wasn't satisfying about it? I hate to keep asking this, but what more did you people want? There is seriously a fine line of length of fight scenes and being enjoying to the audience. I will take short and sweet over long and drawn out. And to be quite honest, it wasn't that short. You had the drone chase, Black Widow/Happy fight, ending with an epic beatdown delivered by IM/WM. And then you had Whiplash, which was pretty cool while it lasted---ending with an escape from a bunch of explosions. And this is beside the fact that the Monaco scene was pretty epic and the IM/WM fight was pretty decent.

As I said earlier, the done sequence was wholly unsatisfying, they were faceless and hardly provided any kind of threat, then Vanko arrives and you think its on, but after 30 seconds its over, sorry but it just wasnt a satisfying conclusion to their rivalry. You ask what more did I want? I didnt want to come out of that fight thinking 'is that it?' Spiderman 2 and X2 had some of the best action sequences ever in a CB movie, TDK had the awesome Japan and chase scene's, not one moment of Iron Man 2 made me say 'woah', thats the big difference.

And how can you say I am looking for reasons to hate the movie when I liked it, you can clearly see in my sig I gave it a 9/10, but it wasnt the sequel it could have been, thats what was dissapointing.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Spidey... you praise character moments in films like FF, yet you think IM2 had an inferior script to that? We all have our tastes, but it's the **** like that that boggles the mind..

S**t like people saying that Iron Man 2 had a good script and that the middle part was wholely satisfying boggles my mind. It boggles my mind that anyone likes Hellboy 2, Spider-Man 3, GhostRider, The Spirit, all of the Punisher movies, Wolverine, Batman Returns, Superman, Superman 2, Superman 3, Superman 4, Superman Returns and DareDevil. I mean, alot of s**t boggles my mind.

I liked FF in general but I've never pretended that it was a great movie. As a matter of fact it's probably a pretty bad movie that I like for some unknown reason. I'm sorry that I had higher hopes for Iron Man 2, I didn't know that I should have been expecting something of the FF movie's quality, especially when the first movie was better than those films.

I'm sorry but I take my d*** seriously. Wouldn't be a fanboy without one.

Will people stop quoting that guy, he is on my ignore list for a reason.

And I'm not apart of a d**k measuring contest because I don't have a d**k.

 

[Chris B]

Despite the criticism that the action scenes in IM1 get, I've always loved them. The Gulmera fight is hands down my favorite fight out of all the CBM's I've seen hands down. And I like what we got in IM2. The only things I would've wanted added would be Iron Man on a peacekeeping mission, another Iron Man/Whiplash fight between Monaco and the climax, and a longer IM/WM/WL fight at the end.

 

[Chris B]

My main problem with the movie was the terrible script. The movie had one of the best casts around and they had to work with a s**t script. That was tremendously disappointing to me.

While I wouldn't agree that the script was terrible, I would agree that I do think they droped the ball on a few things, though I still love IM2. I hope Favreau and co. ditch Theroux when its time to get to work on IM3.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well atleast we can agree on that, Theroux should be given his walking papers...eventhough I blame Marvel just as much as him because they rushed the film into production.

 

[Chris B]

I don't understand why they didn't bring back any of the writers from the first film. Like I said, I still liked the movie and I think it had all the right ingredients, but they needed a better writer to bring it all together.

 

[Blade X]

Do you have ADD? The fight scenes weren't any longer/shorter than the first film and in the case of the final fight it was much longer.

It's OK to have less action in an origin movie (which is what IM1 was) because you have to introduce all of the characters and the universe to those unfamiliar with it. It's not OK to have very little action in a sequel, since most people who are going to see the movie are already familiar with the main characters and the world they live in.

You should have stopped at "as bad as Transformers 2 was".

It still doesn't make it any less true that TF:ROTF, not only had more longer and exciting action/fight scenes then IM2, but did better at the box office then IM2 after being out at the same amount of time.

If you wanted it to be like TF2 and are not happy, then I'm glad.

I'm happy that you are glad.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

So how about them boxoffice numbers? This thread is slightly off topic now.

My parting word until the final numbers is what I said before, I think that the movie is going to drop 50% after the actuals come out.

Right now I think that the movie ends with 315mil tops. I'm predicting 308mil.