The Jared Leto is The Joker(?) Thread

[BMCAABY]

Grills are great to me. They change Leto's facial structure a bit and make him appear very Conrad Veidt-ish in some scenes.

To be honest, even tattoos didn't bother me all that much in the film itself. I'd still like to see them gone, but I've grown fond of this Joker's aesthetic for most part, especially the flamboyant blazers he wore. The biggest problem (or "damage" if you will ) Ayer did is unfortunately not surface level and can't be fixed so easily... I'm talking about drawing from Azzarello's "Joker" and going for a gangster approach. Ayer, with his gangsta culture fetish, shouldn't have been the one to establish the Joker in this universe.

By the way, I think it's safe to say that this is the most demented Joker we had in live action.

I don't understand this logic at all. Many liked Jack Nicholson Joker but he was a gangster too. I guess he was much more classy looking mob gangster than the modern gangster that Ayer made him be.

If they do the Red Hood storyline they could show that where Joker gets his teeth beaten out. I really hope those scenes showcase the Joker without the tattoos and having him sport the classic look with even the yellow teeth. It should be after that he sports his new look.

I mean those tattoos are also there in a way to mock Batman. I mean look at how much pride he has in killing Robin (Jason Todd), he has so much pride that he event tattooed it. I agree with the damaged tattoo but the new look is fine. But I want them to show the flashbacks with both Batman and Joker sporting their classic looks and then later we get them in their more new or fresh looks. It would work to show elapse of time and evolution of these characters too.

 

[BMCAABY]

I posted this in the Who should be the villain thread but I think it fits here more than that thread so gonna repost it. :

I really want them to adapt parts from the Killing Joke and A Death in the Family storyline. I mean opening credits setting up the Flashbacks of Joker's past life and then show events of him murdering Jason Todd and briefly showing him shooting Barbara Gordon. With Batman being emotionally ruined.
They have already set up the relationship there and plus there's not much they can do to set up that without having a movie focusing on only that.
This is the way I'd do it. Opening credits of Joker's origin from Killing Joke that leads to where he kills Jason Todd and then immediately after shows him shooting Barbara.
I strongly believe all this can be established in the opening credits and possibly couple minutes after the opening credits too. But it shouldn't take that long at all. They should make Barbara getting shot around the same fictional time as the death of Jason Todd.

Then have the entire movie in present day. The GA will know who the Red Hood was with the brief flashback of Joker's past and then show how much havoc Joker caused with both incidents. Leading up to the next bits of the new Red Hood, which creates intrigue with the GA. Some could even think that's Joker because they saw him like that in the opening credits.
It's a good idea I think. Deathstroke can still be in the film as a cameo, hired by Black Mask to eliminate the new murderous vigilante. Deathstroke can encounter both Batman and Red Hood. Deathstroke could leave that scene without much interruption or another entry later by Red Hood bribing him with more money than Black Mask is offering to kill Black Mask himself. Just a thought. But yea I definitely want to see the stuff I mentioned minus death stroke sequence happen in the DCEU and on screen in live action.

 

[BMCAABY]

I want Jared Leto to laugh like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y1MLTBlUw
[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y1MLTBlUw[/YT]


I also want Jared Leto to use his own voice or make his voice a more higher pitched like the classic Joker, because his voice was way too deep. I mean his own voice is perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeThkN9xJ40
[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeThkN9xJ40[/YT]
Like his voice sounds creepy when he whispers or even slowing his speech. His voice is not too far from the Jokers voice. I mean the SS Joker voice was really far from the original. I think since he was only in it for a bit, they can easily make him have different voice in the solo film, I mean one that is less deep and is accurate with maniac laugh instead of the slow one.. It wouldn't even need explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX8a5l9vjn4

 

[hellblazer103]

Idk, I don't really mind Joker with a deep voice. John DiMaggio, Jack Nicholson, and Heath Ledger all had a deep voice. Even Hamill started sounding a bit deeper in his later works as Mistah J.

 

[Wildcard]

I think it's laughable for people to actually believe Affleck would want Leto to be recast. That's asinine. If anything, he sees the potential there and would know how to reign Leto in much in the same way Nolan did with Ledger.

Imo, the smart move (after cutting out most of his performance from SS) is to have him be the main villain of this first solo movie. To Hell with Deathstroke, let's get more of the Joker.

 

[Artorias]

I think it's laughable for people to actually believe Affleck would want Leto to be recast. That's asinine. If anything, he sees the potential there and would know how to reign Leto in much in the same way Nolan did with Ledger.

Imo, the smart move (after cutting out most of his performance from SS) is to have him be the main villain of this first solo movie. To Hell with Deathstroke, let's get more of the Joker.

Yeah they seem to be pretty good friends, if anything I think working with Affleck is probably what will get Leto to come back.

I think the problem is Suicde Squad. His original role was supposed to be meatier, so maybe Affleck and Johns weren't going to focus on him in the 1st solo and were going to save him for the sequel but given what transpired with Squad, they kind of have to bring him in now before people lose interest.

Then again who knows, El Mayimbe was the one who said Deathstroke would be the main villain for the solo he also said Slade would be in Suicide Squad played by Parrack lol hardly a completely trustworthy source. It could very well still end up being Joker or it could be a few villains with Joker and Deathstroke etc.

 

[Wildcard]

Imo, Joker is a safer choice, especially given that a lot of people feel cheated by SS. I wouldn't mind seeing Deathstroke in some capacity, but I want see the Joker's history with Batman explored in depth. There's so much to show.

 

[hellblazer103]

I feel like no one even wants to see Joker for the next decade after that travesty. Now, people are even MORE convinced that Heath Ledger can never be topped.

 

[harlequinade]

Imo, Joker is a safer choice, especially given that a lot of people feel cheated by SS. I wouldn't mind seeing Deathstroke in some capacity, but I want see the Joker's history with Batman explored in depth. There's so much to show.

I really want Ben to feature Joker here!

 

[DeadStroke]

Joker needs a meatier role now more than ever. I don't know if they can afford another tepid response for this character.

After teasing at the Joker in BvS, then misusing him in SS, and not having him in The Batman would be a disaster. It would show they really had no plan for the character.

Grills are great to me. They change Leto's facial structure a bit and make him appear very Conrad Veidt-ish in some scenes.

To be honest, even tattoos didn't bother me all that much in the film itself. I'd still like to see them gone, but I've grown fond of this Joker's aesthetic for most part, especially the flamboyant blazers he wore. The biggest problem (or "damage" if you will ) Ayer did is unfortunately not surface level and can't be fixed so easily... I'm talking about drawing from Azzarello's "Joker" and going for a gangster approach. Ayer, with his gangsta culture fetish, shouldn't have been the one to establish the Joker in this universe.

By the way, I think it's safe to say that this is the most demented Joker we had in live action.

There is GREATNESS in this Joker. Just has not been properly tapped into yet. Its like a talented athlete in sports who hasn't received proper coaching. Just need to see him with the proper organization.

Imo, Joker is a safer choice, especially given that a lot of people feel cheated by SS. I wouldn't mind seeing Deathstroke in some capacity, but I want see the Joker's history with Batman explored in depth. There's so much to show.

I really wonder if SS has forced their hand to drop the Joker all together.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

Deathstroke as the muscle, Joker pulling the strings?

 

[Boom]

I'd rather The Penguin, personally.

The idea that the Joker would hire an assassin to take out Batman doesn't ring true to me. Even if he wanted Batman dead, he'd do it himself.

Plus I hated Leto's Joker, so I'm not heartbroken if he doesn't factor into this at all.

 

[Wildcard]

I really want Ben to feature Joker here!

So do I. There's still hope, though, so there's that.

 

[The Joker]

I'd rather The Penguin, personally.

The idea that the Joker would hire an assassin to take out Batman doesn't ring true to me. Even if he wanted Batman dead, he'd do it himself.

Plus I hated Leto's Joker, so I'm not heartbroken if he doesn't factor into this at all.

Snap

 

[Arachnerd]

Don't know what about that post deserves the "snap" response, but okay.

I do think after what they did to the Joker in Suicide Squad that it should be in their best interests to feature him in Affleck's Batman with a meatier and better written role. I still think there's potential for Jared Leto.

 

[Boom]

I don't see how it's necessarily in their best interests. If Leto's Joker was universally praised across the board by critics, fans, and audiences alike, then sure. Personally, I haven't seen that kind of response.

Frankly, outside of superhero message boards and Reddit, his Joker comes across as a nonfactor. Who's talking about him outside of hardcore fans?

I imagine Affleck's film would be just fine without him.

 

[Arachnerd]

Oh no, I was just saying that, if they intend to feature him in this movie (which might have been discussed pre-Suicide Squad), that now with the divisive reaction to his performance and lack of much screentime that there'd be a bigger reason to try and fix this mistake be featuring him in The Batman.

I'd actually be surprised if the Joker doesn't pop up in it, it's more than a possibility at this point.

 

[JOE]

I hope they cut Leto out of the DCeU entirely... Batman has way too many worthy villains for us to see that trash again. Just my opinion, unless they change him completely.

 

[flickchick85]

The topic of the thread is "Jared Leto is the Joker," NOT "Who Contributes More as a Poster." I'd suggest y'all get back to it.

 

[The Joker]

I hope they cut Leto out of the DCeU entirely... Batman has way too many worthy villains for us to see that trash again. Just my opinion, unless they change him completely.

After the woeful characterization we got, that was my initial reaction, too. But I think Leto could be good if they did some revamps with the character.

For a start they need to do a total redesign. Pimp gold jackets, open shirts, jewelry etc, this is not clownish garb, and its sure not Joker clothing. The only good costume he wore was the black tux. Obviously the tattoos and grills need to go, too. Just ugly and annoying. Ayer's explanation for the distracting damaged tattoo is just silly, and nobody would get its meaning at all. None of us did when we saw it.

Then there's the characterization. Harley is not the center of Joker's universe, so they need to drop that angle and fast. Joker running a strip club, big no no. Also doesn't make sense for him to have a base he's famous for running and Batman and the law could find him any time. He's not The Penguin. He's not running a club where he's untouchable by the law because he lets henchmen do his dirty work and Batman can never pin anything on him.

 

[Wildcard]

Don't know what about that post deserves the "snap" response, but okay.

I do think after what they did to the Joker in Suicide Squad that it should be in their best interests to feature him in Affleck's Batman with a meatier and better written role. I still think there's potential for Jared Leto.

My sentiments exactly. His performance could've been superb had Ayer knew what to do with the character and how to use him. Not to mention the hack job in the editing room.

I'd like to see what he can do headlining a movie under someone like Affleck who can reign him in properly like Burton did with Nicholson & Nolan did with Ledger.

I still don't really feel, at this point, they should totally redesign him, but if they do, no big deal as long as he actually gets something to do this time around.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Deathstroke is going to be the main villain so I doubt they will feature the Joker, or the Joker will headline the movie, nor will there be a Killing Joke or a A Death in the Family storyline, or Flashbacks of Joker's past life, or events of him murdering Jason Todd or Joker shooting Barbara Gordon.

 

[Arachnerd]

Yeah, but just because Deathstroke is allegedly the main villain doesn't mean the Joker won't likely feature in some way, as well as any other Batman villain.

 

[harlequinade]

Deathstroke is going to be the main villain so I doubt they will feature the Joker, or the Joker will headline the movie, nor will there be a Killing Joke or a A Death in the Family storyline, or Flashbacks of Joker's past life, or events of him murdering Jason Todd or Joker shooting Barbara Gordon.

How does Deathstroke being a main villain exclude the possibility of Jason Todd flashback?

 

[Monochron]