The Jared Leto is The Joker(?) Thread

[The Joker]

I don't support Joker impostor idea either. It's just impossible to sell, it damages all characters further and I think there's no need in that. I'm against Leto staying. The best option for me - recast Leto and ignore SS in future films. Don't mention or reference it.

But with Ayer directing Gotham City Sirens or whatever they call it... Leto will get additional support and they will continue to push this gangbanger style.

I wouldn't be opposed to this. I still think Leto has a good Joker in him under the right creative team, but I wouldn't shed any tears if they recast him since he has not made the character his own. And ignoring SS would be just fine. The movie was a waste of space anyway. Whole load of nothing happened in it.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd prefer if they kept Leto and reconfigured him to be a better character and performance, but if he was recast, I won't shed a damn tear.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I wouldn't be opposed to this. I still think Leto has a good Joker in him under the right creative team, but I wouldn't shed any tears if they recast him since he has not made the character his own.

I believe that bad acting is bad directing. But I didn't get an impression Leto's Joker was pure Ayer. Leto was an active participant in creating mannerisms, laugh and so on. Is he going to reinvent all that? Leto is Leto and all that honka honka Jim Carrey (only without his charm) **** will stay if he stays.

And ignoring SS would be just fine. The movie was a waste of space anyway. Whole load of nothing happened in it.

 

[Wildcard]

Well, it's kind of obvious at this point Leto won't be recast, and they're not likely to completely redesign his version of Joker, if at all.

Best to just focus on getting a good Joker centered movie, which I'm confident we will under Affleck.

 

[Boom]

I'm not so sure that we do.

I can easily see this being a one-and-done deal for Affleck.

 

[shauner111]

I'm not so sure that we do.

I can easily see this being a one-and-done deal for Affleck.

One solo film, that's it. Maybe a second Justice League if the first one does well.

Joker might have a big role in the solo film. If not, then Leto's legacy will be of the guy who played Joker in a few movies but only had a handful of scenes in each.

If anything, it will make the next guys job much easier. Whoever that actor is, he's a lucky s.o.b since Ledger and Leto both had huge shoes to fill.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Depends. On reviews, money, if he has an idea of where to take the story.

I mean ****, if you can come up with a good Batman story that's never been told before you can't not make it if you have the clout to get it done.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Well, it's kind of obvious at this point Leto won't be recast, and they're not likely to completely redesign his version of Joker, if at all.

Best to just focus on getting a good Joker centered movie, which I'm confident we will under Affleck.

I'd rather not. If Joker's recast and complete revamp is not an option, I hope Affleck, if he ends up directing the film, doesn't use him at all. I also think it's time for other batvillains to shine.

 

[Wildcard]

I'm not so sure that we do.

I can easily see this being a one-and-done deal for Affleck.

Well, far as I can tell no one from WB is upset with Leto enough to replace (or at all for that matter) and once again, there's still the matter of Leto's three deal contract, the fact that he WANTS to come back & Ayer directing GSC (which will star Harley Quinn, meaning Joker somewhere), I'm pretty sure it's the safest bet.

Definitely safer than him not being used again.

 

[Boom]

Just because an actor signs a three-film contract doesn't mean it'll be utilized in full.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Just because an actor signs a three-film contract doesn't mean it'll be utilized in full.

aye, just ask Val Kilmer....

 

[Wildcard]

Just because an actor signs a three-film contract doesn't mean it'll be utilized in full.

I don't see why it wouldn't be, especially considering he's recently worked with WB on BR2, meaning they obviously have interest in working with him going forward. And there isn't enough backlash for a recast. Only some fans are disappointed. The overall reception has been very positive, so they have no reason not to use Joker again going forward.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't see why it wouldn't be, especially considering he's recently worked with WB on BR2, meaning they obviously have interest in working with him going forward. And there isn't enough backlash for a recast. Only some fans are disappointed. The overall reception has been very positive, so they have no reason not to use Joker again going forward.

 

[hellblazer103]

Wasn't that " reactions were generally positive " claim already proven wrong in this exact thread? Or another one , anyways....

 

[Wildcard]

I don't know what you're seeing, but outside of here & some other parts of the general comic book community, there isn't some overwhelmingly negative perception brewing above Leto's Joker. If that's the case, who the hell is watching all of these videos on YouTube where the likes vastly outweigh the dislikes and there aren't an overabundance of hate of the performance?

If Leto was so negatively received, where do articles like this one come from:

https://moviepilot.com/posts/4090819

Or this?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/movie...-v-superman/story-lIHdZkKXiSYnDpniEu4JHM.html

Who's watching and leaving these comments if Leto's version is so hated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI2bcGplfBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TqAOmE_v4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6wmD6TL9c

 

[The Joker]

If Leto was so negatively received, where do articles like this one come from:

https://moviepilot.com/posts/4090819

Or this?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/movie...-v-superman/story-lIHdZkKXiSYnDpniEu4JHM.html

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/15/13-reasons-why-batman-forever-is-the-best-batman-film-ever-5239099/

http://furiousfanboys.com/2011/06/5-reasons-green-lantern-doesnt-suck/

It's easy to find random articles praising hated CBMs.

Who's watching and leaving these comments if Leto's version is so hated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI2bcGplfBk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-TqAOmE_v4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6wmD6TL9c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YywL43-xu8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPUTKnLsl38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5vZWrsaYWU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRyK5MY763A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnEzSh2ME28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPRjkUwfzUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5t9iCnX_JY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iXUHiHipTw

Just a few examples of vids from some of the worst CBMs where the likes far outweigh the dislikes. Doesn't mean Schumacher's Batman, Catwoman, the F4 movie, or Green Lantern are beloved by most.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

LOL youtube comments. Scraping the very bottom of the barrel.

Also, people tend to watch videos of stuff they like. So the people that leave comments are likely to be positive. Youtube also uses a like/upvote system. Which means the people who already like the videos, watch them, and then rate the positive comments with a like. And the default format of the posts is 'top comments'.

All of these elements guarantee good comments on youtube vidoes. With the exception of featured videos, which you appear on your browser but they might not be what you are interested in. Those videos have a bigger range of comments.

 

[Boom]

Can we just agree once and for all that there is absolutely no way to prove one way or another what the general audience thought of Leto's Joker? This is such a tired exercise.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't think he was hated. He wasn't loved either. The GP seems largely indifferent to him. Which in certain ways is worse than hating him. Hating at least means caring. Would the GP care if he is removed from the role? Not really.

 

[Guts]

I honestly like Gotham's version of Joker more than the current movie version.
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[Patchwork Man]

Can we just agree once and for all that there is absolutely no way to prove one way or another what the general audience thought of Leto's Joker? This is such a tired exercise.

Joker was outshined by Harley. That happened.

 

[Wildcard]

LOL youtube comments. Scraping the very bottom of the barrel.

Also, people tend to watch videos of stuff they like. So the people that leave comments are likely to be positive. Youtube also uses a like/upvote system. Which means the people who already like the videos, watch them, and then rate the positive comments with a like. And the default format of the posts is 'top comments'.

Not scraping the bottom of the barrel at all when YouTube can be a good way to gauge interests and how people are responding to something. Is it without it's trolls? Obviously not, no site on the internet is.

Either way, I'm not delusional in saying he was universally loved, but he did receive a decent amount of praise. And more than some would have you believe.

 

[hellblazer103]

I honestly like Gotham's version of Joker more than the current movie version.
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His laugh at the end sounds a little slow and crackly like the Leto version, but more like a slowed down version of the Hamill laugh. I really hope Cameron doesn't start taking inspiration from Leto.... please no ... lol


I don't really watch Gotham anymore anyway though

 

[The Guard]

Joker was outshined by Harley. That happened.

That was supposed to happen. He's essentially part of her conflict in the film, and a part of her character arc. He's a supporting lead, and very much dependent on her character within the film. She's the actual lead.

A lot of the dislike of Leto's Joker seems to stem from the fact that he didn't steal the whole movie Ledger style.

He was never intended to, though. He's there just to be a force in Harley's life, part of her character development, and a small subplot within the film.

I liked the taste we got of this version of The Joker, but I don't believe for a second that's the best they can do with the character.

 

[The Joker]

The majority of dislike for Letoker does not come from him not stealing the show. It comes from his weak performance, ugly visual design, and being portrayed as some love lorn doofus pining for his gf.

Fans would be perfectly happy to get a minimized Joker role as long as he was done well in his few scenes. Quality over quantity every time.