The Jared Leto is The Joker(?) Thread

[Doctor Octopus]

I mean look at the animated series alone:

- When The Joker inherits money from a deceased mob boss, he chooses to let Harley rot in Arkham and holds auditions for her replacement.
- When Harley teams up with Ivy, The Joker swoops in and tries to steal their loot.
- When Harley tries to kill Batman in order to impress The Joker (hanging Batman upside down in a tank full of piranhas), The Joker throws her out of a building.

He uses her for his own gains, but has shown time and time again that he's willing to throw her to the wayside.

That perfect way to show them. Joker not care about Harley at all. It hard to believe Suicide squad get that wrong.

"Lovesick: in love, or missing the person one loves, so much that one is unable to act normally."

Don't see how that's far off the mark.

It on the mark of what they do.

It had nothing to do with any void left by her. He says in his own words it's cheaper to hire a new hench girl. She's hired help. Just like Harley was. If it was all about Harley, he'd have just bought her freedom like he bought everything else in that episode. He could certainly easily afford it.

But he hires some random eye candy girl instead of the real deal simply because it's cheaper. Hired being the operative word. Goes back to what Batman said to Harley in Mad Love.

She was just hired help to him. Nothing more. If ever that was proven, it was in that episode, Joker Millions. The way he can just replace her with another paid hench wench without a second thought.



Yes, they are. He uses her when she has a usefulness to him, and he abandons her when she doesn't. That's their relationship. Like hired help.



Name a time when someone else wanted her at the same time he did, and he wouldn't allow it.



How does stealing her loot, but not trying to get her back show his inability to let her go? He has let her go. He is not trying to remove her from her partnership with Ivy, or get her back by his side. He is simply being an a-hole and stealing their cash.



He targets them because it was easy cash. He knew they had just been on a huge publicized crime spree. How many other thieves did he know of who were making so much cash they were called the queens of crime? Then Harley phoned him, he traced the call, and went to make himself an easy buck. "I'm only staying long enough to collect what's mine".

Simple and straight forward.



What are you talking about? Joker often make a big deal out of his victims to make a point. Look at his most famous one in The Killing Joke. Look at what he did to Commissioner Gordon, using his own daughter to try and drive him insane. You trying to tell me because he went to all that trouble that means he cares about the Gordons? That they are somehow significant to him?



No it doesn't. It shows he is repulsed by the idea of having any kind of feelings for anyone, and he is getting rid of the source of that disgust.



If she affected him in any way, explain why he;

- Left her to die with the rest of Gotham when he planned to nuke the city with an atomic bomb he stole
- Why he hired a cheaper henchgirl rather than fork out cash he could well afford to get Harley free from Arkham
- Why he was only interested in the money she and Ivy stole, rather than taking her back into his gang if it was all about her
- Why he pushed her out a window in Mad Love



Considering he manipulated and used Harley's romantic feelings for him to turn her into a crazy loyal infatuated hench wench, that is completely inaccurate. He played her like a fiddle. He still does.



He feels nothing for Harley. She means nothing to him. She is just one of the hired help to use and abuse. When you post evidence to the contrary, I'll concede to your point. Evidence, not your own interpretation.

Agreed with all this.

Absolutely. There's another page from the book, where Harleen talks to another doctor on her first day in the asylum and discusses the contingent. How she's attracted to extreme personalities, how they're exciting and so on. In her heart, she liked bad guys and their glamorous "rock-star" status. She liked them for what they are. And her imagining a normal married life as normal people is total rubbish (especially considering their criminal history together). Of course the page above is made as a comedic insight into Harley's mind, but I think if they wanted to adapt it into live action, they had to do it some other way.

Agreed. I wish they show bit more of Harley as doctor scenes. It feel rushed in movie.

 

[DeadStroke]

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Is that a girls tooth?

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

 

[Wildcard]

Looks like someone might be gearing up for another run as Mr. J.

 

[The Joker]

If that is the case (and I hope it's not), it better be as a main villain, and it's fix it time for all his horrendous flaws.

Btw is anyone else confused by the jewelry laden tooth? Is that the new look? Swapping grills for diamond and gold studded teeth with a gold band hanging off them like an earring!

 

[Boom]

That could just be an unused prop from Suicide Squad.

We shall see.

 

[shauner111]

Is he reprising his role for Gotham City Sirens or The Batman? Batman i guess?

 

[The Joker]

I hope it's Gotham City Sirens. I don't care about that movie. Ayer can have it. And he's probably reduced to another Harley serving role in a Sirens movie.

 

[shauner111]

Margot looks like she put on weight though, for her new film. When does that start shooting?

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Margot looks like she put on weight though, for her new film. When does that start shooting?

It's a fat suit.

 

[whatever]

That could just be an unused prop from Suicide Squad.

We shall see.

Jared gave his wisdom tooth to his bff Alessandro Michele (Gucci's creative director) as a thank you. Alessandro had it bejeweled and returned it to Jared. That's all.

 

[The Joker]

Jared gave his wisdom tooth to his bff Alessandro Michele (Gucci's creative director) as a thank you. Alessandro had it bejeweled and returned it to Jared. That's all.

That's a relief

I was having visions of Joker with gold and diamond studded teeth.

 

[FunkMiller]

Is he reprising his role for Gotham City Sirens or The Batman? Batman i guess?

Uggh. I hope not. I love him as much as the next Batfan, but I could well do without yet another movie where he's the villain - especially when it's already been done twice - once well, and once absolutely brilliantly.

Let's give someone else a try, who can mirror Batman's psyche in a different way. Court Of Owls, Hugo Strange etc.

...though I'll take Joker over Joe Manganiello's attempts to act any day.

 

[Wildcard]

Well, out of seven films he's only had two appearances so Joker hasn't exactly been over-used in live action. Compare that to Lex Luthor, who's appeared about five or six times in live action films.

Having Joker as the main villain again wouldn't hurt anything, imo.

 

[shauner111]

Uggh. I hope not. I love him as much as the next Batfan, but I could well do without yet another movie where he's the villain - especially when it's already been done twice - once well, and once absolutely brilliantly.

Let's give someone else a try, who can mirror Batman's psyche in a different way. Court Of Owls, Hugo Strange etc.

...though I'll take Joker over Joe Manganiello's attempts to act any day.

Since i'm iffy on Leto's Joker (don't hate him like a lot of people do, but he is already not aging well for me) i don't want Joker as the main villain. I do want him in the film though, same with Harley and Deadshot.

Hopefully Joe Manganiello isn't the main villain and he's in the mask most of the time

I liked that rumored plot from back in August that had Black Mask as the main villain. Sionis plans to release Arkham inmates one by one to go after Batman and mess with the city. Joker and Harley both have their own agenda in all of this, to blow up Arkham (or maybe it was something else and i'm forgetting). Deadshot decides not to join Black Mask because of his daughter. Waller sends Deathstroke to Gotham because she wants Harley and Deadshot back in one piece so she can use them in the future. Deathstroke and Batman end up battling etc. I think that's what it was anyway.

Could be too crowded, but i would rather see something like that instead of a straight up Deathstroke vs Batman movie, or another Joker vs Batman movie.

 

[DeadStroke]

Joker in Suicide Squad is all about the ID. If it feels good it is good. The clothes, the patterns, the goons, etc. All clear of a man doing whatever he thinks feels good to him.

Just like with kids and their toys. The scene of him "giving" Harley to Monster T only to piss himself off even more. Very child like.

Truth be told if we see Joker trying to get her all of the movie....and then throws her out of the helicopter in just a matter of mins it could have had a big impact. Like a child crying about his lost toy and then soon as he gets it back he breaks it.

Same as him just popping up back at the end to save her. She just willingly accepts no matter how cruel he was earlier to her.

Could have been a "Mad Love" esque ending if they kept him originally pushing her out of the helicopter earlier.

 

[gdw]

Well, out of seven films he's only had two appearances so Joker hasn't exactly been over-used in live action. Compare that to Lex Luthor, who's appeared about five or six times in live action films.

Having Joker as the main villain again wouldn't hurt anything, imo.

3, Batman '89, TDK, and SS.

Joker in Suicide Squad is all about the ID. If it feels good it is good. The clothes, the patterns, the goons, etc. All clear of a man doing whatever he thinks feels good to him.

Just like with kids and their toys. The scene of him "giving" Harley to Monster T only to piss himself off even more. Very child like.

Truth be told if we see Joker trying to get her all of the movie....and then throws her out of the helicopter in just a matter of mins it could have had a big impact. Like a child crying about his lost toy and then soon as he gets it back he breaks it.

Same as him just popping up back at the end to save her. She just willingly accepts no matter how cruel he was earlier to her.

Could have been a "Mad Love" esque ending if they kept him originally pushing her out of the helicopter earlier.

So very true. Every time I see the snippets of BTS footage, etc showing how they originally DID shoot all the abusive aspects of their relationship, it pisses me off SO much knowing what they did to him in the final edit.

 

[THE WOLF]

Test audience don't like domestic violence in their comicbook movies :/

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

3, Batman '89, TDK, and SS.

You forgot Batman 66.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

They had to sanitize it after the exaggerated reception to BvS. I don't like it, but I understand where they were coming from.

 

[Wildcard]

3, Batman '89, TDK, and SS.

I said two because he wasn't the primary antagonist of SS.

 

[The Guard]

The Joker was still pretty abusive in the theatrical cut of SUICIDE SQUAD. Maybe not physically, but it's there.

 

[Wildcard]

The Joker was still pretty abusive in the theatrical cut of SUICIDE SQUAD. Maybe not physically, but it's there.

Yeah, I'd classify tying her down and torturing her as being abusive. And the fact that he initially was going to leave her for dead at Ace Chemicals.

But others see that as being "lovesick."

 

[The Joker]

Of course we do. There's no other way to look at it. She had not become his beloved Harley Quinn yet in those two scenes. She was still Dr. Quinzell. Once she officially became his gal he was whipped and couldn't function without her.

Had he stated dishing abuse out like that after they became a couple, then it would be worthy of respect.