The JJ Abrams Superman script

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  1. Gabe99

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    From AICN Sep 23, 2002:
    AICN EXCLUSIVE! Moriarty's Review Of JJ ABRAMS SUPERMAN Script!! - YOU’LL BELIEVE A FRANCHISE CAN SUCK!!
    From AICN Sep 26, 2002:
    Want to talk to J.J. Abrams about his... um... SUPERMAN thing Moriarty Reviewed' or Ratner' Click Here To Find Out How!
     
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    From MTV 10/26/09:
    EXCLUSIVE: J.J. Abrams Says Returning To Superman 'Would Be A Blast'
    From WIRED MAGAZINE 04.20.09 : 17.05
    J.J. Abrams on the Magic of Mystery

    Brett Ratner On The J.J. Abrams’ Superman That Might Have Been
    source: MTV
     
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    CLD Someone PM me the 2nd draft of the Superman flyby script?Would be really Greatful
     
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    I didn't know there was one
     
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    It kinda bugs me when people complain about the classic Clark Kent/Superman dynamic being used (like the script review complains about Lois being in love with Superman and not Clark). It just seems like people are so expectant that any adaptation follow Byrne. It's not as if the rest of the script really sticks to much of anything from the established mythos, if I were him I'd be pleased that it got one thing straight from the comics.
     
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    SUPERMAN: JJ Abrams Talks the Man of Steel – From the Archives
     
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    BH/HHH You Are My World

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    So has anyone actually read the 3rd draft?
     
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    I'm only basing this off the first draft, but "Superman Flyby" appears to have been a somewhat shameless amalgam of the Donner films and three film franchises that were big at the time it was written: "Star Wars Episode 1", "The Matrix" and Bryan Singer's "X-Men." It straight up ripped-off many visual elements of "Phantom Menace" (war machines terrorizing an edenic planet) and "Matrix" (Superman fights the villains kung-fu style in mid-air) and also borrowed "X-Men"'s "superhero as closeted gay teen" analogy (IMO "Flyby" was actually more explicit than "X-Men" in regard to this theme.) It also recycled several elements from "Superman 1" including the rescue of Air Force One and Superman and Lois's first interview/date/flight.

    It was a terrible script and allegedly the reason it was leaked to AICN was because a Warner exec who was actually a Superman fan was horrified that they were going to make it. Additionally one must keep in mind the two auteurs Warner had hired to make the film, Brett Ratner and McG. Take a look at where they place on the "Hack Director Venn Diagram" below:

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    From The Superman Homepage:
    January 31, 2013: Never-Made "Flyby" Movie Script by JJ Abrams
     
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    So is that draft the one Ratner was going to shoot? And then McG?

    I know when Ratner was on it he wanted Matthew Bomer for Supernan and he'd locked in Anthony Hopkins. But it fell through cause the studio wanted Brendan Fraser right?

    Then the McG version had Henry Cavill cast but no one else, or is that wrong? I know he left cause he didn't want to fly to Australia and ultimately we got Bryan Singer's Superman Returns.
     
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    The 2003 draft was the one Ratner was going to shoot and he wanted Matt Bomer to play Superman. McG was going to film the third draft and some of it was rewritten by Josh Schwartz of O.C. Fan. Of course everyone knows that McG had cast Henry Cavill in the role of Superman.
     
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    I'm about halfway through this draft, I actually didn't know that the Air Force one scene that was used in Superman Returns its pretty much identical except this script injected abit if humour in that scene.

    There is definite stuff wrong with it mid, Krypton doesn't explode, a dying Kryptonian somehow manages to pass over his advanced knowledge to Lex just by touching him, sone if the dialogue is awful and just like Supernan Returns I think this script gets Lois totally wrong she comes across a smartass and a ***** at times. It also features an attempted rape scene and Supernan seemingly getting over his Fathers death really quickly because he can't stop thinking about Lois.

    Still though I think it would have been better than SRs. I even can forgive Krypton not exploding as I feel they wanted to try to do one thing different. Although I will say that I still feel SRs was a blessing in disguise, we could have gotten Flyby, it might have been a flop and Henry Cavill would've already played the part thus missing out on Man of Steel. If it had still happened in a similar way that is.

    Ahh cheers mate :up:
     
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    I've just finished this, it's beyond awful, in addition to what I've listed above there's some even worse moments towards the end. The worst has to be Jor el whose still alive on Krypton sense g that his son has perished so he basically meditates and joins Kal El in what must be heaven or near heaven. He basically his life so Kal El can return from the dead and at the sane time gives him all his knowledge. I was just like how ridiculous is this?

    Add to that the fact that Superman basically kills the villain, the script basically says he's clever in the way he kills him so it's not like did it on purpose (obviously not in those words). :huh:

    Lastly what bothered me wasthe fact these Kryptionians are so hellbent in killing Superman, he's stuck on another works just leave him there.

    I said above I'd have preferred this to Superman Returns but I was dead wrong.
     
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    This draft is dated October 2003, so it would have been used by McG, not Ratner (he had left the project in March.)

    Cavill was under consideration but no one had been cast at the time of McG's departure.
     
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    McG stated that he had cast him
     
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    There's one interview where McG says he cast him, but officially no one was cast (ie the studio signed off on it) by the time he was fired.
     
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    Just read the script and it was a fun read, but I was very, very happy after finishing that it was unproduced.

    The script has good ideas. And isn't terrible. I just don't think I would want to see this film, or it's potential sequel that would see Superman BACK ON KRYPTON fighting a civil war.

    I don't like the whole:

    - Jor-El kills himself through sheer will and gives his life-force to a dead Kal-El to bring him back from the dead.

    - In the "29 Years Earlier" bit, Clark is about 8 and hits a baseball that lands near a "40ish" Lex Luthor. So Lex is 70ish during the current portion of the story? Did the encounter with the Kryptonian soldier effect his aging process? This is never stated and was just weird.

    - I wasn't a fan of the villain. (This is a thing that I feel about Man Of Steel as well, no matter how stoked I am for the film, I really want a non-Kryptonian villain from the comics. IE: Brainiac, Parasite, Mongul, Lobo, etc).

    - Jonathan Kent's death came quick and was quickly forgotten.

    - And the serendipity of Clark meeting Lois at such a young age and then them ending up being the love of each others life... It works in the context of Smallville for the purposes of the show, but not so much for me in a film.



    Again... This sounds like I didn't like it. But I did. It was a fun read. I just am glad that we are getting something else that seems a little more traditional.... Like -- I need Krypton to blow up. Superman has to be as much "Krypton's Last Son" as possible.

    -R
     
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    I read Abrams' second draft and it has some good moments. I think the second half was rushed a Clark - Lois relationship would deserve more space but with McG, Moritz producing and Cavill, Depp, Scarlett and LaBeouf... yeah, I think it would be a really good summer movie.


    However I think they used some scenes/ideas/elements in Smallville and Superman Returns and based on trailers David Goyer read Abrams' work too, I think.
     
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    The thrid draft of the J.J. Abrams script, or you could almost call it the Josh Schwartz script.

    Schwartz was the creator of The O.C. and a huge comic book lover. I just thought that while the concepts for the movie are entirely different, you can see some of this scripts influences in Superman Returns. From what I have been told, this script was originally offered to Bryan Singer, but obviously he did his own thing story wise. Anyway, here we go....

    - Lex Luthor obtaining Kryptonian technology was a major storyline in the script. Fresh out of college, Luthor was driving cross country for his first job in Metropolis working at some local industrial coroporation, and while stopped in Smallville, witnessed the crashing of Superman's ship. After the Kents scooped up baby Clark as in every other incarnation, Lex found the ship and stole it for himself before Johnathan could return to secure it. This plays into the Kents telling Clark to never use his powers no matter what, and to proceed living like a normal human being, as they know there is someone out there who would be able to identify him. They don't put the fear of god into about his powers like the first draft, but it's made clear they want Clark to live like a normal human being. But anyway, Lex takes the ship, figures out how to adapt the Kryptonian technology, and then buys out his boss and turns the Metropolis Corporation into the Billion dollar company known as Lexcorp, which specializes in military arms development, sonar tech, news forms of stealth flight, etc etc. Not to mention he basically buys the city of Metropolis, including the Daily Planet. There are some funny lines with Perry White and Lois Lane concerning that fact. Lex would then use the Kryptonian technology to call upon the surving Kryptonians to come to Earth and defeat Superman. On a side note, the Lex in this script was a damn creep. Very unnerving almost. Before witnessing the rocket ship crash in Smallville, lex is pulled off to the side of the road, basically writing down notes for his own Mein Kampf. I geuss Luthor has some grand, Hitler like plan that would have played out over the course of the franchise. I really liked how Lex was done here. More on that Later.

    - The plane sequence in Superman Returns was basically taken right out of the script. As described in the novel and from all the images and previews Ive seen, it is honestly a shot for shot copy, which isn't a bad thing. The plane sequence in the script was the one of the most stunning visuals Ive ever had in my head, and it should be know different in Superman Returns.

    - Superman flying above the world and listening to people's problems, then flying around doing Super deeds was in the script, and might I say one of the best parts about it. Might not be shot for shot, but the idea's came for the scene in Superman Returns came from this script it would seem.

    - The heavy emphasis on the romance was there, although with obviously WAAYYYY different storylines. It was the traditional Superman/Clark/Lois triangle, which wasn't a bad thing, not that the Superman Returns love story is bad either.

    - The idea of going back to Krypton, with the difference being that in Flyby Superman leaves for Krypton at the end of the film.

    With this being said, it looks like Singer took some of the best concepts from this script and then combined them with his idea of vague history. While this script was amazing when it was pure Superman, it also had it's fair share of groans. Alot was changed about Krypton, first and foremost bieng that JOR-EL was the main villian, and it was he who blew up Krypton and reduced it to a giant chunk, while Lara sent Kal-El to Earth for the sole purpose of living a free life. Very Darth Vader like with Jor-El. Also, and your going to love this, Supermans has a half brother that was born to Jor-El and another kryptonian women, who of course is evil. This character basically took the place of Ty-Zor if your remember him. The prophecy is still there, but it actually is not about Superman. The prophecy is about some form of Ultimate Evil in the universe, basically being played up to be an intergalactic Satan, and I believe that it is implied to be Jor-El, but would have turned out to be Lex Luthor. The whole reason Superman goes back to Krypton is because he believes this ultimate evil is Jor-El and he must stop him, free the kryptonians, and protect Earth from another attack. They were really going for Jesus vs. Satan here by the end of the franchise.

    You can truly see Schwartz influence with the character of Clark Kent. Instead of making him the stumblin, bumblin, fumblin, mumblin fool of old, Clark is a modern day nerd. Geeky and Sarcastic, this Clark made alot of comments that made me think Seth Cohen from the O.C. I will honestly say though that the interaction with Clark and Lois was funny as hell, and the best source of humor in the script, with Lois being the bossy ***** that she is. There were some very Luke Skywalker-esque moments with Clark while he was on the farm, I could just hear the Star Wars theme in my head. Also, Superman didn't die in this script when the other Kryptonians arrived, they placed him in some sort of paralysis and stuffed him away with the rocket ship that lara had sent him to Earth. After being stuffed away, a computer programming of Lara, think Bruce Timm Animated Series, melded with Superman's mind and told him everything, who he was, where he was from, the prophecy, everything, and then the ship freed him from the paralysis just in time to save the day. It was then that Superman took it upon himself to stop the prophecy.

    Well, I would just like to say I am in no way endorsing this script, Im only passing along what I read and the influences I see. This movie would have been directed by a hack in McG and cast horribly, i.e. Beyonce Knowles as Lois Lane because McG is an idiot.

    I remember that scene, but it was in the god awful 1st draft of the film. The one I was reffering to was the 3rd and I belive final draft that had, for one, cut the cannister out thank god, and it was no longer Air Force One. It was the space shuttle plane seen in Returns, and the ripping off of the wing was there as well.

    In the FINAL draft, yes, Smallville had an influence, the Kents were written just the same, he was in love with Lana, his powers slowly developed, etc etc. Smallville was basically used as a template for how he grew up.

    However, there was never any Clark interaction and no Chloe.

    Well actually in the final draft, Lex was very human, but he possessed Kryptonian technology after stealing Superman's rocket ship, Krypton explodes for the most part except for a chunk which evil Jor-El rules, and there is no Superman death scene.

    I understand what your saying, and I agree with the point your getting across, but....

    In the 3rd Abrams draft, there is NO prophecy concerning Superman. He is left out of the equation there. He was sent by Lara to Earth simply to live, nothing more and he chooses to become Superman and has zero knowledge of the ultimate evil at that point. Its toward the end of the script, before the final big showdown, that Superman finds this information and he then chooses to be the person to try and stop it, believing it to be evil Jor-El on Krypton, but in the end I belive it would have Luthor as he was almost Hitler like in the script but with Kryptonian technology. So the prophecy is not about Superman, he just decides to be the person to do something about it, and this is after he had already made his debut as Superman.

    And in the 3rd draft, they fixed a major problem from the 1st draft and actually skipped ahead like 6-9 months after Superman debuted to the time when Lex summons the evil Kryptonians using the technology, so Superman would have been saving people that entire time, as well as romancing Lois Lane.

    In the 3rd draft, the Air Force One scene was eliminated and replaced with the space shuttle.

    To whoever said it wasn't very Superman like to walk past the President to check on Lois, that little problem was taken care of.

    And most of the Krypton scenes were rewritten with Jor-El as the villian along with the half brother of Superman. And it was Lara and her father, the character Predius, who shipped baby Kal-El to Earth.

    Many people fail to understand that this draft never got publically reviewed.

    The suit in the can thing is gone completely. There is actually a scene where Clark tries on all kinds of different suits, including the traditional colored suit which he ends up picking, a black suit, and red/white/blue suit. Clark loves the red/white/blue suit, but in a funny scene doesn't want to ripoff Captain America, his favorite superhero growing up. And yes they do feature young Clark reading Captain America. Also, Clark used the S shield because he was wrapped up in a blanket with the embelem on it, and it was the only known thing he had from the world he came from.

    Yes, Kata-Zor and Ty-Zor were gone, with Jor-El taking the place of main villian. But Jor-El also had another son, although it wasn't with Lara, giving Superman a half brother who was loyal to Jor-El. Basically took the place of Ty-Zor.
     
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    How did you find out about this?
     
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    Yeah, that's my question too. I would love to have this script, along with Lives by Gilroy Draft 1.
     
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    Isn't the first draft of Gilroy on the internet? I know superman homepage had posted that along with William Wisher and a bunch of other scripts along time ago.
     
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    According to theMan-Bat: he has the Lives script by Gilroy written in February 1998, while September 1998 is what has been on the internet.
     
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