Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Roose Bolton]

This is the same character who beat a child to death with a crowbar.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I hate when people see a main character do something and they feel the film is endorsing them or that action.

Remember, you’re not always going to have to like or agree with your lead character.

Scorsese has made a career of this.

 

[Greens]

Scorsese has made a career of this.

And guess who the main inspiration is...

 

[Nemeres]

Ugh. I imagine them both typing tweets from the sewers where they belong.

This is a dumb association on your part. McWeeny has never been accused of assault or harassment.

 

[harlequinade]

This is a dumb association on your part. McWeeny has never been accused of assault or harassment.

You're right that makes him a prince *eyeroll*

 

[Nemeres]

Eyeroll indeed.

 

[emc5466]

My problem with Drew McWeeny has always been that he frequently behaves like the basement dwelling man-children he claims to hate.

 

[Boom]

This is a two-hander.

On one hand, Zazie Beetz said the script was almost completely rewritten on set (her words), so whatever draft is circulating online is out of date.

On the other hand, the script being completely rewritten on set isn't exactly a comforting sign.

So maybe the best course of action would be to wait until the movie actually comes out and see what the final product is like. Crazy notion.

 

[Enriquespy]

But by then they'd already have your money!!!!

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

The leaked plot summary

/tv/ - Television & Film » Thread #112437618

Spoiler: SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING

>1980s Gotham
>Thomas Wayne is up for re-election as mayor
>Arthur Fleck is an advertising clown, and part-time stand-up comedian
>lives with his severely mentally ill mother
>has a crush on his next-door neighbor
>constantly beaten and picked on while working as a clown
>stand up comedy isn’t much better, constantly heckled and booed away
>begins to develop relationship with neighbor after she sees him beaten up
>Arthur hears his comedian idol is going to be at the bar he performs at
>Arthur dresses fully as a clown, hoping it will improve his performance
>set bombs, and his comedy idol roasts him about it afterwards
>Arthur hides his tears by laughing on Gotham subway
>3 wall street boys try to beat the **** out of Arthur and pick on him
>Arthur retaliates against one of them, accidentally breaking his neck
>Arthur runs from the other two
>his psyche slowly starts to break down
>Arthur arrives home to see the Gotham PD have taken his mother away to Arkham after she was found acting hysterically in the apartment complex corridors
>Arthur tries to confide in his neighbor
>he mistakes her compassion for flirting and she rejects him
>his psyche breaks more and more
>we see a few days pass by as Arthur visits his mother in Arkham
>her happy-go-lucky demeanor has faded and she seems extremely depressed
>one night, Arthur receives a call from Arkham
>his mother is dead from a successful suicide attempt
>Arthur completely cracks, deciding to pull off the “Ulitmate Joke”
>Arthur tries to storm into a charity event held by Wayne for his mayoral campaign
>he’s quickly ejected but makes a scene in front of the press that the Waynes don’t care for the working class of Gotham
>passionate speech doesn’t get much love from the press and media but inspires the lower class peoples of Gotham
>Arthur takes his public protesting to the next level, vandalising Wayne’s campaign advertising whilst dressed as his new persona, “The Clown”
>manages to evade arrest in thanks to his followers who cause random acts of violence to distract the police across Gotham
>crime escalates in Gotham to full on riots citywide
>Arthur gets noticed by his idol and is offered a spot to tell the country his side of the story
>his idol assures him the police will not arrest him on set because he technically hasn’t carried out any of the violence against the police
>appears on his show, seemingly indifferent to meeting his idol again
>whilst spouting a load of **** about his philosophies, Arthur seems to threaten Thomas Wayne, promising before voting day, he will be dead
>Arthur’s idol lies about the police and they quickly storm the show to arrest Arthur
>Arthur escapes the building, but not before slashing his former idol’s neck, leaving him to die live on air
>after being chased for some time, Arthur is finally knocked down by a GCPD car and taken to Arkham after being deemed mentally unstable
>Thomas Wayne visits Arthur and brags that his attempt to murder him has failed
>Arthur reveals his Ultimate Joke was not to expose Thomas for his vast wealth and ignorance of the poor, but to show how easily people can be manipulated
>Arthur tells Thomas before he leaves that he never had to kill him, because he’s inspired a whole city that they can do it themselves
>Thomas makes a passing mention before leaving that it seems like a “bad joke”
>Arthur tells him before he goes “Just wait for the punchline”
>cut to a few weeks later
>Bruce Wayne attending his family’s funeral
>notices Arthur in the distance and goes over to him
>Arthur is out of makeup and costume and tries to cheer Bruce up by doing a simple clown routine
>Bruce briefly mentions he doesn’t like clowns
>Arthur tries to force a smile on Bruce’s face before Alfred quickly drags Bruce away and threatens Arthur
Alfred suddenly realises who Arthur is and questions how he is out of Arkham
>Alfred tries to alert the nearby police but turns and sees Arthur is already gone
>we briefly see how Arthur got out
>whilst being treated by a nurse, Arthur hears the nurse whistle Dick Van Dyke’s ‘Put on a Happy Face’ (a song Arthur uses as an anthem for his followers)
>Arthur is given a nurse’s outfit and leaves the building with his followers
>back in the present, Arthur is back in his old apartment, dressing back into his Clown persona
>it’s revealed there were new tenants in Arthur’s apartment but he has killed them
>Arthur bring a bunch of flowers to his neighbor’s door and leaves them
>she sees the flowers left behind, but as she goes to read the note left with them, she’s sprayed by what appears to be some kind of toxin
>Arthur gets in the elevator and hears her slowly choke to death
>Arthur gets into a car with some of his followers wearing clown masks
>after a short drive through Gotham, Arthur makes them stop at a set of stairs we saw at the start of the movie
>Arthur leaves his goons in the car
>he performs one last song and dance as the credits play over the routine (Put on a Happy Face)
>no post-credit scene
>no reference to other villains other than Falcone
>Jim Gordon isn’t a commissioner but is the head detective on Arthur’s case
>120 minute runtime
>most of the movie isn't plot-related, just scenes of Arthur dreaming of a better life as a successful comedian
>a few lines are taken directly from Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns and the Joker graphic novel
>there is a sort of narration throughout the movie but it's all spoken in present tense
>as the film goes on the narration is revealed to be more of a voice in Joker's head
>the more unstable Arthur becomes the more unstable the narration becomes

 

[emc5466]

Maybe I’m crazy (it’s possible) but that sounds kinda awesome?

 

[The Shape]

****ing spoilers already. This is crazy.

 

[Orb]

Not gonna comment on a supposed quality of the movie but just some of the convo surrounding it.

So there's this idea that a movie is responsible for how a viewer would interpret its message and act on it. The thing about having a morally abhorrent character being the lead makes people think that the movie is justifying or glorifying their action regardless of what they're doing. That's what I've seen about this movie how it shouldn't come out because its justifying a certain type of people. The thing is this happens with literally any movie with a villain with a understandable point. Heck these "edge lords" worshiped Ledger's Joker YET he was the villain! Or heck Thanos! Morally bankrupt villains will always attract the morally bankrupt this isn't anything new. A movie isn't responsible for their stupidity.

Just because a movie is telling you WHY someone would do this, isn't the same thing as justifying them. If you need the movie to tell its bad thing that a psychopath killing innocent people is a bad thing, you might want to re-evaluate your priorities.

 

[Travesty]

lol, that's not a "plot summary", that the entire movie spoiled beat for beat.

 

[Boy Scout]

It sounds like it’ll be good. Not sure about the ending, but whatever, it probably won’t get a sequel.

 

[Gothamsknight]

sounds good to me, honestly.

 

[Detective Conan]

This is a two-hander.

On one hand, Zazie Beetz said the script was almost completely rewritten on set (her words), so whatever draft is circulating online is out of date.

On the other hand, the script being completely rewritten on set isn't exactly a comforting sign.

So maybe the best course of action would be to wait until the movie actually comes out and see what the final product is like. Crazy notion.

Well a similar process was done with the first Iron Man and if you recall that movie wasn't half-bad.

 

[Kane52630]

If true then... would that mean

Spoiler

Shea Whigham is Gordon? because that's awesome.

 

[Pennywise]

The leaked plot summary

/tv/ - Television & Film » Thread #112437618

Spoiler: SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING

>1980s Gotham
>Thomas Wayne is up for re-election as mayor
>Arthur Fleck is an advertising clown, and part-time stand-up comedian
>lives with his severely mentally ill mother
>has a crush on his next-door neighbor
>constantly beaten and picked on while working as a clown
>stand up comedy isn’t much better, constantly heckled and booed away
>begins to develop relationship with neighbor after she sees him beaten up
>Arthur hears his comedian idol is going to be at the bar he performs at
>Arthur dresses fully as a clown, hoping it will improve his performance
>set bombs, and his comedy idol roasts him about it afterwards
>Arthur hides his tears by laughing on Gotham subway
>3 wall street boys try to beat the **** out of Arthur and pick on him
>Arthur retaliates against one of them, accidentally breaking his neck
>Arthur runs from the other two
>his psyche slowly starts to break down
>Arthur arrives home to see the Gotham PD have taken his mother away to Arkham after she was found acting hysterically in the apartment complex corridors
>Arthur tries to confide in his neighbor
>he mistakes her compassion for flirting and she rejects him
>his psyche breaks more and more
>we see a few days pass by as Arthur visits his mother in Arkham
>her happy-go-lucky demeanor has faded and she seems extremely depressed
>one night, Arthur receives a call from Arkham
>his mother is dead from a successful suicide attempt
>Arthur completely cracks, deciding to pull off the “Ulitmate Joke”
>Arthur tries to storm into a charity event held by Wayne for his mayoral campaign
>he’s quickly ejected but makes a scene in front of the press that the Waynes don’t care for the working class of Gotham
>passionate speech doesn’t get much love from the press and media but inspires the lower class peoples of Gotham
>Arthur takes his public protesting to the next level, vandalising Wayne’s campaign advertising whilst dressed as his new persona, “The Clown”
>manages to evade arrest in thanks to his followers who cause random acts of violence to distract the police across Gotham
>crime escalates in Gotham to full on riots citywide
>Arthur gets noticed by his idol and is offered a spot to tell the country his side of the story
>his idol assures him the police will not arrest him on set because he technically hasn’t carried out any of the violence against the police
>appears on his show, seemingly indifferent to meeting his idol again
>whilst spouting a load of **** about his philosophies, Arthur seems to threaten Thomas Wayne, promising before voting day, he will be dead
>Arthur’s idol lies about the police and they quickly storm the show to arrest Arthur
>Arthur escapes the building, but not before slashing his former idol’s neck, leaving him to die live on air
>after being chased for some time, Arthur is finally knocked down by a GCPD car and taken to Arkham after being deemed mentally unstable
>Thomas Wayne visits Arthur and brags that his attempt to murder him has failed
>Arthur reveals his Ultimate Joke was not to expose Thomas for his vast wealth and ignorance of the poor, but to show how easily people can be manipulated
>Arthur tells Thomas before he leaves that he never had to kill him, because he’s inspired a whole city that they can do it themselves
>Thomas makes a passing mention before leaving that it seems like a “bad joke”
>Arthur tells him before he goes “Just wait for the punchline”
>cut to a few weeks later
>Bruce Wayne attending his family’s funeral
>notices Arthur in the distance and goes over to him
>Arthur is out of makeup and costume and tries to cheer Bruce up by doing a simple clown routine
>Bruce briefly mentions he doesn’t like clowns
>Arthur tries to force a smile on Bruce’s face before Alfred quickly drags Bruce away and threatens Arthur
Alfred suddenly realises who Arthur is and questions how he is out of Arkham
>Alfred tries to alert the nearby police but turns and sees Arthur is already gone
>we briefly see how Arthur got out
>whilst being treated by a nurse, Arthur hears the nurse whistle Dick Van Dyke’s ‘Put on a Happy Face’ (a song Arthur uses as an anthem for his followers)
>Arthur is given a nurse’s outfit and leaves the building with his followers
>back in the present, Arthur is back in his old apartment, dressing back into his Clown persona
>it’s revealed there were new tenants in Arthur’s apartment but he has killed them
>Arthur bring a bunch of flowers to his neighbor’s door and leaves them
>she sees the flowers left behind, but as she goes to read the note left with them, she’s sprayed by what appears to be some kind of toxin
>Arthur gets in the elevator and hears her slowly choke to death
>Arthur gets into a car with some of his followers wearing clown masks
>after a short drive through Gotham, Arthur makes them stop at a set of stairs we saw at the start of the movie
>Arthur leaves his goons in the car
>he performs one last song and dance as the credits play over the routine (Put on a Happy Face)
>no post-credit scene
>no reference to other villains other than Falcone
>Jim Gordon isn’t a commissioner but is the head detective on Arthur’s case
>120 minute runtime
>most of the movie isn't plot-related, just scenes of Arthur dreaming of a better life as a successful comedian
>a few lines are taken directly from Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns and the Joker graphic novel
>there is a sort of narration throughout the movie but it's all spoken in present tense
>as the film goes on the narration is revealed to be more of a voice in Joker's head
>the more unstable Arthur becomes the more unstable the narration becomes

If true, I like the sound of that!

 

[TMP98]

If true then... would that mean

Spoiler

Shea Whigham is Gordon? because that's awesome.

Love that dude. Truly underrated actor.

 

[Enriquespy]

Nope, wont read it. Nope.

 

[Kane52630]

Nope, wont read it. Nope.

 

[metaphysician]

In his follow-up tweet McWeeny said that this movie will appeal to the people who think that Tyler Durden was the hero of Fight Club (I can't post the tweet itself because of cursing).

Well, that's just about as awful a bit of news as they could release. And to think I was mostly worried that too many movie-goers would incorrectly look upon the Joker as a hero.

 

[emc5466]

Film Twitter (a mostly horrid bunch) will certainly have a field day with the final scene.

 

[Greens]

Nope, wont read it. Nope.

I'm trying...