I know the ugly ins and outs of rape. We know based on the Joker's long extensive history that he doesn't resort to rape in order to dominate, humiliate, and intimidate. Rape is not a necessity to do any of those things. There's many ways you can dominate, humiliate, and intimidate people. That's fact not opinion. We've seen Joker do them multiple times.
Its got nothing to do with him being unable to be a rapist. Its that he has no interest in it. Nothing to do with him being incapable of doing them. You can be perfectly capable of doing something but have zero interest in doing it. Sexual crimes are not his taste.
The Selina scenario is no different to the Barbara scenario in TKJ. People see Joker has left a woman in some kind of state of undress, and put two and two together and get five. Why is Joker leaving Selina beaten and in a Wonder Woman outfit indicative that he raped her any more than him leaving Barbara stripped naked? I know this is a Frank Miller story, and he doesn't shy away from the gruesome details. He showed Joker murdering a boy scout troop. A whole bunch of children murdered. Why would he neglect to mention Joker sexually assaulted Selina but be perfectly comfortable showing the slaughter of kids? Like the TKJ scenario with certain fans this is just a case of projecting your own belief on what you think happened, rather than what we were actually shown and told.
Arkham Asylum, according to the script someone posted a few posts back, specifically states Joker's so called sexual predatory angle was done simply to rattle Batman's cage. Nothing more. In this case the worst "sexual" thing he did was slap his butt. That was more comical than anything else.
Its fine really no need to worry as its not an awkward topic. At least not for me. Honestly I find it a rather silly and redundant one as its all based on nothing but personal theories instead of solid facts. People take anything that looks remotely sexual and apply a rapist context. You can bet if TKJ didn't show the entirety of Jim Gordon's mental torture, you'd also have people saying Joker raped him, too, just because he was in a state of undress as well.
Let me just simply state this ; I am not, nor have I been arguing on the idea that Joker raped Barbara. Had that been the case, it would've most certainly been brought up by now in some form or another. However, I wouldn't doubt that Joker wanted to leave Jim wondering whether he did or not, therefore increasing his stress/fear and furthering his descent into madness, hence showing him the naked pictures and all.
I AM saying, though, that we already know he did it to Johnny Frost's ex wife, he most certainly did that to Catwoman (more on that in a bit), and he's literally advocating for mass rape in the streets in his diary in Arkham Asylum, as I already mentioned, like, several times. That's 3 different occasions in comics, regardless of whether they're "canon" or not (and no **** they aren't canon, these are adult ass comics we're talking about here lmao. Should we just cancel adult Batman stories now? ) Either way, they happened.
Why does it imply rape? Let's see... Hog-tying is literally a thing in bondage, for one. Two, why would he specifically put Selina, a former lover of Batman's, in the costume of ANOTHER former lover of his? It's a dig at his sexual history. It's almost as if to say, " in a way, I've had two of your women at once " . Three, we already see him forcing himself upon her via grabbing her and kissing her beforehand. And I know Frank doesn't shy away from the details, but speaking of the kid killing.... They found cotton candy in Selina's room and put together that he was going to attack the fair, which means they kinda had to, ya know, dip. Not exactly a good time to be like "oh btw did he like rape you ? " "yeah" "... well, **** " . Selina's warnings of not to take the girl and such were sufficient enough. Maybe he wouldn't be quite so subtle nowadays, but I mean, hey... This was back when he was still sort of a decent writer, lol. (You could argue that maybe Batman kissing her wasn't exactly in good taste either, particularly if Joker really did commit such an act, but hey... *Cracks a beer* it's Miller time)
I know it was all done to (Bale voice ) "rattle his caaage" in Arkham, but how does that change the fact that he was still legitimately sexually harassing him, or that he was generally being rather provocative, crossdressing ( they might not have gotten to go all the way with it like Grant planned but he did still have the high heels and long/painted nails, and there's no reason not to imagine there might be a corset underneath that giant trenchcoat we conveniently never see the inside of. Of course, this isn't to say crossdressers and such are sexual predators, merely to point out that this particular take on Joker is indeed rather sexual), etc?
Is this a thing that would occur often? Clearly, no. But this is a character who would pretty much do anything for the sake of a cruel, sick joke. ANYTHING.
I’ve always loved the idea that the only person Joker is sexually attracted to is Batman
I’ve kinda always viewed the Joker as asexual. I don’t believe he was always that way but after whatever happened to him (Killing Joke origin or something else entirely) that part of his brain just wasn’t there anymore. The only thing that turns him on (so to speak) is killing and causing suffering. I’m not saying that he’s never attracted to anyone but just that it doesn’t really hold much interest for him, just like friendships and loyalty also mean nothing to him. I know he’s had this (abusive) relationship with Harley but I always preferred the original incarnation of that (on Batman TAS) where she pines after him but he just views her as another underling that is more or less expendable.
I mean.... It's been implied throughout media (including Dini stories/ TAS ) that Joker and Harley have indeed, umm, "made whoopie", if you will. Maybe not often, but it's happened. There's stories where Harley's gotten pregnant , I mean... c'mon now, lol
