Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Guts]

There's a big difference between negative coverage about a movie's quality and just pure paranoid cries that have nothing to do with the movie's quality.

Exactly. The majority of the negative press isn't even talking about the quality of the movie. Just what ifs on theater shootings.

 

[terry78]

Like I said a while back, people are putting Joker and Harley Quinn into the same box, as it's obvious her R rated film is going to be more "fun" and they expect the same shtick.

 

[MovieSlave]

Yes! Lets all root for the big giant corporation to restrict press access because of negative coverage! Because the big giant corporations are our friends and they need to be protected from negative press coverage. Fawning press coverage and press too scared to say anything negative will definitely serve us MUCH better in the future! You are absolutely right.

That's not what my post was aiming at and you know it.

It's not about shutting out opinions and negative reviews. It's about how so many wannabe journalists and so called critics unfairly judge movies overall due to their political agendas and bull s***. If they want to just write up the movie as an instigator for shooters (which they already have their minds made up on) then they can take a hike.

 

[Yowza]

Never underestimate how much the backlash has to do with Joker being an incredibly mainstream film that won the Golden Lion.

From that moment on it was a threat to those critics who respect “auteur” films. For them, Todd Phillips and Joker are the incels - irresponsible and reckless forces who threaten the artistic integrity of these festivals.

I applaud WB for this move. The longer the press hypes up the possibilities for mass shootings and tries to get people going, the more likely it is to happen. What sort of irresponsible reporting is this? It’s practically daring someone to do it.

This is exactly what I've been trying to say. The theater going extravaganza event itself coupled with the media intertwining a pot stirring sensationalist line of questioning into the promotion of the movie trying to get their headlines trending is doing more ill than the contents of the movie.

I think it's one thing to have a post-movie discussion with a group of friends or write-up a review on it tapping into complex societal aspects but to raise certain lines of questioning about something happening if the movie is released in a major studio's promotional media interview everyone can see building up to the first week of release I don't think is helping matters.

 

[Captain Tired]

So has the score been released yet or...?

 

[TMP98]

Sounds very likely that Joker co-stars Joaquin and De Niro are both gonna get best actor nominations (the latter for The Irishman), which would be incredibly cool

 

[Greens]

So has the score been released yet or...?

Doesn't look like it. Weird.

 

[Greens]

What's funny and sad at the same time is that if all those idiots didn't talk every day about all this "Incel" stuff and how problematic and dangerous this movie is, I would be 100% nothing was gonna happen. But now I'm starting to have doubts.

Yup. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

 

[TheFuture]

Yup. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

I'm not even sure you can all it far leftism. As someone said already the far left wouldn't waste their time with this crap.

It's just people looking for attention who are regularly waiting for the next subject of their "problematic" opinions.

That and the internet which to this day I deem to be both the best and worst thing ever.

 

[FunkMiller]

The outrage is ****ing ridiculous. Folks acting like movies like Taxi Driver and Falling Down haven't been around for decades. Its practically it's own subgenre.

It’s literally just because it’s a comic book character. If this film were called ‘Arthur’ and had no connection to a Batman villain, none of this pushback would be happening.

...mind you, then the film wouldn’t be getting anywhere near the attention and focus it is. It’d be about as high profile as You Were Never Really Here.

The outrage is ridiculous, but I guess it’s to be expected when the mainstream see a comic book character positioned in a film like this.

 

[HBarnill]

Sounds very likely that Joker co-stars Joaquin and De Niro are both gonna get best actor nominations (the latter for The Irishman), which would be incredibly cool

If Michael B. Jordan couldn’t get a nom for Black Panther, what makes you think Phoenix will get one? Face it, the Academy will always be biased when it comes to CBMs in acting noms. Heath Ledger deserved his award, dead or alive, but it’s obvious they only nominated him in the first place because of his death.

 

[Predator jp]

Yup. Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me.

they talk about it as if they want the shootings to happen. scary stuff.

 

[TMP98]

If Michael B. Jordan couldn’t get a nom for Black Panther, what makes you think Phoenix will get one? Face it, the Academy will always be biased when it comes to CBMs in acting noms. Heath Ledger deserved his award, dead or alive, but it’s obvious they only nominated him in the first place because of his death.

The fact that Phoenix is the front-runner for a win along with Adam Driver? A nomination is probably locked.

 

[Greens]

If Michael B. Jordan couldn’t get a nom for Black Panther, what makes you think Phoenix will get one? Face it, the Academy will always be biased when it comes to CBMs in acting noms. Heath Ledger deserved his award, dead or alive, but it’s obvious they only nominated him in the first place because of his death.

Even without having seen Joker I know there's a huge gap between Michael B Jordan in Black Panther and Joaquin Phoenix in this.

 

[lime]

If Michael B. Jordan couldn’t get a nom for Black Panther, what makes you think Phoenix will get one? Face it, the Academy will always be biased when it comes to CBMs in acting noms. Heath Ledger deserved his award, dead or alive, but it’s obvious they only nominated him in the first place because of his death.

Are you seriously comparing Michael B. Jordan and Joaquin Phoenix? Jordan's Killmonger is a joke (pun intended) compared to Phoenix's Joker.

 

[TheFuture]

I could see an argument for Jordan getting a supporting nom. Then again Ledger is the bar where that category is concerned.

The academy could have done it given the event BP was. But for me he was just part of a strong ensemble. Nothing more.

 

[Zarex]

It’s literally just because it’s a comic book character. If this film were called ‘Arthur’ and had no connection to a Batman villain, none of this pushback would be happening.

...mind you, then the film wouldn’t be getting anywhere near the attention and focus it is. It’d be about as high profile as You Were Never Really Here.

The outrage is ridiculous, but I guess it’s to be expected when the mainstream see a comic book character positioned in a film like this.

Agreed. "Incel Clown" may have been a indie darling and a modest success. But by tying it to an extremely popular character in one of Warner Entertainment's most popular IPs this was bound to get messy.

The security measures seem like overkill, but this film looks like it could have strong appeal to certain types - comicsgaters, alt righters, gun fetishists - that have been causing trouble recently (For reasons that have nothing to do with politics!). So I can understand the concern. Hopefully the publicity doesn't give these types any ideas they didn't already have.

 

[Zarex]

Even without having seen Joker I know there's a huge gap between Michael B Jordan in Black Panther and Joaquin Phoenix in this.

And the gap between Phoenix's Joker and Hanks' Fred Rogers is even greater. I haven't seen either one, but this is something that I know.

 

[FunkMiller]

Agreed. "Incel Clown" may have been a indie darling and a modest success. But by tying it to an extremely popular character in one of Warner Entertainment's most popular IPs this was bound to get messy.

The security measures seem like overkill, but this film looks like it could have strong appeal to certain types - comicsgaters, alt righters, gun fetishists - that have been causing trouble recently (For reasons that have nothing to do with politics!). So I can understand the concern. Hopefully the publicity doesn't give these types any ideas they didn't already have.

Yep. Sad but true.

A further point is this... imagine that this very same Joker, with exactly the same character, motivations, actions and morality was presented in the context of a Batman movie. Would there be any outcry whatsoever?

I don’t believe so.

It’s the positioning of the Joker as protagonist that’s the issue here. I was uncomfortable with that right from the get go, because I knew this would end up being the reaction to it.

And WB are now getting scared of that reaction, and are taking all the wrong steps (as per usual).

 

[TMP98]

And the gap between Phoenix's Joker and Hanks' Fred Rogers is even greater. I haven't seen either one, but this is something that I know.

Hanks’ Rogers is competing for supporting, where he’ll lose to Pacino in Irishman or Pitt from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

 

[Gothamsknight]

The best thing they could've done was not invite press to the premiere. Talking about is just bringing more attention to it

 

[FunkMiller]

The best thing they could've done was not invite press to the premiere. Talking about is just bringing more attention to it

Essentially, this was WB’s attitude towards this movie:

Then:

“Yay! A Joker movie! Joker is popular! That means loads of money for us!”

Now:

“What do you mean making the Joker a domestic terrorist and the protagonist is controversial? Run away! Run away!”

Absolutely no forward thinking, other than about dollar signs. This film needed a strong and clear marketing message, understanding the potential controversy it could cause. The conversation could have been steered properly. It could have been a valuable tool for proper discussion about the state of America.

Instead it’s rapidly becoming an entirely predictable cluster****, and the film is being targeted - instead of the cultural morass it’s seeking to highlight.

 

[Captain Tired]

I mean, at least as far as publicity goes, I don't think there's any way WB could have played this the wrong way.

I don't think this has suddenly turned into a case of trying to put the genie back into the bottle.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Essentially, this was WB’s attitude towards this movie:

Then:

“Yay! A Joker movie! Joker is popular! That means loads of money for us!”

Now:

“What do you mean making the Joker a domestic terrorist and the protagonist is controversial? Run away! Run away!”

Absolutely no forward thinking, other than about dollar signs. This film needed a strong and clear marketing message, understanding the potential controversy it could cause. The conversation could have been steered properly. It could have been a valuable tool for proper discussion about the state of America.

Instead it’s rapidly becoming an entirely predictable cluster****, and the film is being targeted - instead of the cultural morass it’s seeking to highlight.

This is unfortunately true

 

[Micromind]

The fact that Phoenix is the front-runner for a win along with Adam Driver? A nomination is probably locked.

I would be shocked if he fails to get a nomination, but then again, I thought that Justice League wouldn't tank but it did, so what do I know ?