Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[geosphere]

The very fact that it's a connected universe that ties together ALONE limits how much freedom a director has. To deny this is being silly at this point. Grow the F#@K up we aren't attacking your precious Marvel. Jesus Christ! Somebody get the chill pills!

@Zarex the man's profile image is literally a picture of Deadpool do you really think he is trying to slam Marvel?... Why are you so defensive?

 

[kguillou]

Why are you so surprised? It's not like international audiences are dumbasses!

Thats not what I meant, I’m just saying theres a certain type of film that seems to surpass one billion $$. Look up the top 20 grossing films of all time and theres a few common denominators between them.

 

[ironwez20]

I’m very surprised the general audience, especially overseas general audiences are going to see this over and over again. This is such a downbeat movie I didnt think people would be compelled to rewatch it. Dont get me wrong, i knew this would do very well but scratching a billion? A film like this? A non blockbuster?

Cause it’s a reflection on us as people. It shows us what we could become if we lost it

 

[thangaran]

Maybe it’s been brought up before but Josh Brolin’s insta post on Joker is beautifully written and captures so what I think about the film so well (not wanting to hurt anyone and forcing oneself to try to find some attempts at solutions for all of the problems around us. Joker takes off the bandaid and lays bare all of the problems we push aside and put under the rug). Such a well-written thoughtful and brilliant reaction to this amazing film

 

[Zarex]

The very fact that it's a connected universe that ties together ALONE limits how much freedom a director has. To deny this is being silly at this point. Grow the F#@K up we aren't attacking your precious Marvel. Jesus Christ! Somebody get the chill pills!

@Zarex the man's profile image is literally a picture of Deadpool do you really think he is trying to slam Marvel?... Why are you so defensive?

I honestly don't care what you or any one else's opinion is of Marvel Studios films. Someone posted an opinion that has been directly refuted by multiple people who actually work at the studio. I posted evidence that this opinion was incorrect. So your generous offer of medication to soothe my frazzled nerves is completely unnecessary.

 

[geosphere]

I honestly don't care what you or any one else's opinion is of Marvel Studios films. Someone posted an opinion that has been directly refuted by multiple people who actually work at the studio. I posted evidence that this opinion was incorrect. So your generous offer of medication to soothe my frazzled nerves is completely unnecessary.

 

[OutOfBoose]

I hate to even make the comparisons since it's become such a cliche, but they really should take a cue from the MCU, not in regards to their business model, but hiring decent directors and writers to take on characters but without a massive amount of studio interference. They don't have to intersect, just be standalone stories until they can find somebody to grandfather all that **** together years later.

Does not compute.

 

[Maze]

Agreed with Geosphere and Jkr. The fact that Marvel has plans ahead for their movies, with building to certain storyline take away freedoms to directors. They cant tell their own stories, without having cameos and such. There is a marvel formula, concerning tone. You can see the same kind of humour, almost in each movies. It is what it is, yes there are nuances here and there, it doesnt prevent to have a collaboration with their directors, but a director driven franchise, it is not.

ps: Warner tried and failed at the "Universe thing a la Marvel" this is is a difficult thing to do, and it is not in their Dna. That they produce comics movies or not, Warner have often been a director friendly studio. That's why they signed Kubrick or Eastwood to exclusively work for them, that's why they maintained their relationship with Nolan so many years. That's why we had Gravity. That's why they let the Washowski do their own thing despite their failures etc etc .

 

[TheScarecrow]

ps: Warner tried and failed at the "Universe thing a la Marvel" this is is a difficult thing to do, and it is not in their Dna. That they produce comics movies or not, Warner have often been a director friendly studio. That's why they signed Kubrick or Eastwood to exclusively work for them, that's why they maintained their relationship with Nolan so many years. That's why we had Gravity. That's why they let the Washowski do their own thing despite their failures etc etc .

For all the lows they have, they have an equal number of cinematic highs. I would argue more than any other major studio in Hollywood, at least creatively.

One only needs to look at the Harry Potter films to see WB's approach - each director in the franchise had their own tone, costuming, design, etc. decisions. Nothing was really mandated other than a returning cast.

 

[Maze]

IF somebody really want to do a universe shared franchise, you know the kind of one that i hope? A la Alien franchise. Let the filmmakers do their own movies. Let's not concentrate on the "plans ahead", or the cameos. let's tell the story that you want to tell right now. Let's forget about selling toys, or be friendly to all kind of markets, making consensual movies, with a rigid formula " action, ten minutes, BAM, comedy ten minutes, BAM” action ten minutes BLAM romance etc etc " let's not be prisonners of insane budget, that drive the content. Let's make films thats stand on their own. Joker paved the way, (even if "super heros" movies like Logan, did it before too ) it can be done.

ps: i'm going to disgress, but when we know that producce a mid level budget on the big screen nowdays is really difficult in general, we have a problem.

 

[geosphere]

IF somebody really want to do a universe shared franchise, you know the kind of one that i hope? A la Alien franchise. Let the filmmakers do their own movies. Let's not concentrate on the "plans ahead", or the cameos. let's tell the story that you want to tell right now. Let's forget about selling toys, or be friendly to all kind of markets, making consensual movies, with a rigid formula " action, ten minutes, BAM, comedy ten minutes, BAM” action ten minutes BLAM romance etc etc " let's not be prisonners of insane budget, that drive the content. Let's make films thats stand on their own. Joker paved the way, (even if "super heros" movies like Logan, did it before too ) it can be done.

ps: i'm going to disgress, but when we know that producce a mid level budget on the big screen nowdays is really difficult in general, we have a problem.

I can totally get behind that. And the Aliens franchise is definitely a good template to describe what you mean and what I agree they should kind of do. Because I would love to see a good Justice League movie in the future. I think they can do one that people can actually get behind. BTW, they will NEVER stop trying to sell toys lol. The whole point is to sell toys!

 

[Maze]

Ah ah ah i know, as long as we live in neo liberal capitalistic system, it's nearly impossible yes. but there's a way to not bother that much about it, like with Joker. It's impossible with a Justice league that said...

 

[8ulk87]

Insane. A billion is coming

Do you really think so? Idk how to gauge this stuff

If it hits 1B I’m so excited to see the repercussions this will have on the comic book movie industry

I could be wrong of course, and i didnt analysed it yet. But from where i stand we are one week after the release date, and it has done 500 millions. (and the drop is minimal and the word of mouth is out of this world ) So the chance are there.

There is a very real possibility.

We can compare it to Venom if we ignore some differences in international release dates. At this point in time Venom stood at around 380-400 million with its worldwide gross being 856 million at the end of its run. Joker's second weekend drop is 43% compared to Venom's 56%.

It seems more and more possible. The International Hold was ridiculous as TMP said. I wouldnt bet on it...but man it is going to make a run.

WB is gonna make no worse than $600 million profit on this film. That isnt BO that is PROFIT!

For the second time.

Its NOT making a billion. It will probably miss the $900 mil mark as well.

Its in its 2nd week not 1st.

The OS market will collapse sooner than the US cause it opened days earlier.

Looks like its probably beating Deadpool 1 & 2 for the #1 R Rated film of all time but thats about it.

$760-850 mil WW.

 

[-JKR-]

"That's about it" sounds quite dismissive.
We're talking about a $55 million dollar drama/thriller light on action, which is R-rated and pretty dark and downbeat, making such numbers without catering to China.

 

[TheScarecrow]

For the second time.

Its NOT making a billion. It will probably miss the $900 mil mark as well.

Its in its 2nd week not 1st.

The OS market will collapse sooner than the US cause it opened days earlier.

Looks like its probably beating Deadpool 1 & 2 for the #1 R Rated film of all time but thats about it.

$760-850 mil WW.

It fell 29% in OS markets this weekend. That’s just over half what movies like this normally fall.

It’s performing leggier (on a day to day and weekend v weekend basis) than WW was. There’s no reason to assume it will collapse (the evidence is strikingly to the contrary). If it continues on it’s currwnt trajectory it will land somewhere between $900m - $1b WW.

 

[-JKR-]

In Italy it only fell 4% (four!) in its second weekend, which is insane!
It's the third most successful movie of the year in the country so far, behind "The Lion King" (#1) and "Avengers: Endgame" (#2).

 

[8ulk87]

"That's about it" sounds quite dismissive.
We're talking about a $55 million dollar drama/thriller light on action, which is R-rated and pretty dark and downbeat, making such numbers without catering to China.

Its not meant to be dismissive though and im quite aware of the boxoffice impact and what it means.

It fell 29% in OS markets this weekend. That’s just over half what movies like this normally fall.

It’s performing leggier (on a day to day and weekend v weekend basis) than WW was. There’s no reason to assume it will collapse (the evidence is strikingly to the contrary). If it continues on it’s currwnt trajectory it will land somewhere between $900m - $1b WW.

The legs wont hold for ever.
I guess we ll have to wait and see who is right. Im not going to be suprised if it hits a billion, i just dont see it.

Im fairly sure it will not hit 950 and i think it probably wont hit 900 either.

 

[DarkKnight88]

It could stop making ANY money today and still be one of the biggest Box office success stories of the year.

 

[TheScarecrow]

Its not meant to be dismissive though and im quite aware of the boxoffice impact and what it means.

The legs wont hold for ever.
I guess we ll have to wait and see who is right. Im not going to be suprised if it hits a billion, i just dont see it.

Im fairly sure it will not hit 950 and i think it probably wont hit 900 either.

I disagree. The film has great word of mouth, and the constant attempts by the media to stir up controversy and offense have resulted in it being the second must-see film of the year.

The holds are insane, day to day. Last weekend it was about a 45-55 split domestic to overseas. This weekend it’s become an overall 35-65 split, with only two new OS markets being added.

I’m curious why you think the legs will fall away.

 

[Maze]

For the second time.

Its NOT making a billion. It will probably miss the $900 mil mark as well.

Its in its 2nd week not 1st.

The OS market will collapse sooner than the US cause it opened days earlier.

Looks like its probably beating Deadpool 1 & 2 for the #1 R Rated film of all time but thats about it.

$760-850 mil WW.

We'll see, if you are right good for you. i mark your post for the right moment

Anyways, 760, 850 still would make it one of the most profitable studio movie of all time, given its small budget

 

[kguillou]

Like @DarkKnight88 said, the amount of money its already made to date has already made it an incredibly profitable film. The rest of the money it makes from here on out is just pure fatty gravy.

 

[thebatfan5194]

A billion would be nuts. I think 800-850 is more likely, though. Either way, this is a huge success for DC. It’s too bad they can’t consistently hit it big like this. Since Wonder Woman it’s basically been every other movie is a low performer:

1. WW: 800+ million
2. Justice League: 500+ million
3. Aquaman: 1 billion
4. Shazam: ~350 million
5. Joker: (800 million +?)

I wonder if the trend will continue with BoP being a low grosser and WW84 being a hit. DC has had a hard time developing that brand loyalty that Marvel has. Maybe the lesson DC needs to learn is to make competent Solo movies with their biggest characters, as that’s where the biggest successes have been. The appetite is clearly there when the quality is up too.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Finally got around to seeing the movie.

Aside from being beautifully shot, edited, and amazingly performed by the actors in it notably Joaquin Phoenix, nothing else about the movie worked for me. It may be a personal bias but just like the 89 Batman movie I hate having the Joker tied to Batman's origin, I also don't like the fact that they made the Joker a victim.

I'm well aware that mental illness is an issue in this country in that people suffering from disorders are routinely ignored but I think it's lazy to tag that on to the Joker's character. The film could have been about any character and there is nothing really uniquely Joker about it, it could have been a whole original character and the story would have been exactly the same.

This movie was essentially Taxi Driver with a clown.

 

[8ulk87]

We'll see, if you are right good for you. i mark your post for the right moment

Anyways, 760, 850 still would make it one of the most profitable studio movie of all time, given its small budget

Ofc man. Quoting me after its all done is fair game.

A billion would be nuts. I think 800-850 is more likely, though. Either way, this is a huge success for DC. It’s too bad they can’t consistently hit it big like this. Since Wonder Woman it’s basically been every other movie is a low performer:

1. WW: 800+ million
2. Justice League: 500+ million
3. Aquaman: 1 billion
4. Shazam: ~350 million
5. Joker: (800 million +?)

I wonder if the trend will continue with BoP being a low grosser and WW84 being a hit. DC has had a hard time developing that brand loyalty that Marvel has. Maybe the lesson DC needs to learn is to make competent Solo movies with their biggest characters, as that’s where the biggest successes have been. The appetite is clearly there when the quality is up too.

Well Joker isnt part of the now obsolete DCEU but lets take a look for whats its worth.

01. Aquaman (2018) - $1148,1 mil.
02. BvS DoJ (2016) - $873,6 mil.
03. Wonder Woman (2017) - $821,8 mil.
04. Suicide Squad (2016) - $746,8 mil.
05. Man of Steel (2013) - $668 mil.
06. Justice League (2017) - $657,9 mil.
07. Joker (2019) - $543,9 mil and counting...
08. Shazam! (2018) - $364,5 mil.

It will catch MoS by next week.

 

[thebatfan5194]

Ofc man. Quoting me after its all done is fair game.



Well Joker isnt part of the now obsolete DCEU but lets take a look for whats its worth.

01. Aquaman (2018) - $1148,1 mil.
02. BvS DoJ (2016) - $873,6 mil.
03. Wonder Woman (2017) - $821,8 mil.
04. Suicide Squad (2016) - $746,8 mil.
05. Man of Steel (2013) - $668 mil.
06. Justice League (2017) - $657,9 mil.
07. Joker (2019) - $543,9 mil and counting...
08. Shazam! (2018) - $364,5 mil.

It will catch MoS by next week.

Yeah I mean it’s not part of the DCEU canonically but it’s still a major movie starring an A-list DC comics character, I think it warrants some comparison.