Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Rod]

Just read the supposed script over r/DCEULeaks and I really liked it (apparently, they got proof of authenticity). If movie plays exactly like that, Joaquin is in for awards noms for sure and perhaps the movie itself, as well.

If true, the history is indeed wicked, outrageous and distressing in a very good Joker way.

Just amazed, can only hope to indeed see as a movie what just read. All elements of Joker, exactly as built across the decades, are there.

 

[Hollis Mason]

I know this may sound foolish, but if this movie success, and Todd Phillips and Phoenix stay, i would like Phillips to make a The Dark Knight Returns adaptation with Phoenix I know it may sound stupid, but i always wanted to see that comic as a movie, and i think the style and cinematography would be perfect.

And also would make a good "franchise": The Birth of Joker and the Death of Batman. You guys will understand more why i would like this when you see the movie.

 

[TMP98]

I know this may sound foolish, but if this movie success, and Todd Phillips and Phoenix stay, i would like Phillips to make a The Dark Knight Returns adaptation with Phoenix I know it may sound stupid, but i always wanted to see that comic as a movie, and i think the style and cinematography would be perfect.

And also would make a good "franchise": The Birth of Joker and the Death of Batman. You guys will understand more why i would like this when you see the movie.

The arc that Joker goes through in this movie is what attracted Joaquin though, and obviously it can't be done again.

 

[Orb]

Yeah I don't see Phoenix doing it again. Also this Joker would be on life support by the time Bruce would be at retirement given the age gap lol

 

[Hollis Mason]

Yeah I don't see Phoenix doing it again. Also this Joker would be on life support by the time Bruce would be at retirement given the age gap lol

Yeah, you are right. I guess i will have to wait 20 years until Pattinson gets old.

 

[Rorschach2012]

It’s too bad that Snyder stole so many elements from TDKR, that’d be the perfect movie for DC Black

 

[hellblazer103]

What's the point in yet another straightforward TDKR adaptation when there's already an animated one that's just that? Like, either way it's pointless...

 

[Rorschach2012]

What's the point in yet another straightforward TDKR adaptation when there's already an animated one that's just that? Like, either way it's pointless...

Yeah no point in seeing a live action adaptation of what is generally considered to be the greatest Batman comic of all time...

 

[hellblazer103]

Yes, because at this point, it'd be redundant as all hell when we already have an adaptation of it and more or less a light adaptation of it in live action as we speak (albeit not a good one )

 

[Travesty]

I'm just getting tired of all the Frank Miller inspirations for the majority of the live action movies.

There's soooo many different writers out there, and they all seem to gravitate towards Frank Miller.

 

[hellblazer103]

And he's not even all that great lmao

"The city is a rotting bleeding HOOOAAAR... I have to scrape the dirty vag filth off my boots everytime I'm in it"

Like we get it dude

(Don't get me wrong, I like TDKR and Year One as much as anybody, but his schtick has gotten pretty old)

 

[Rorschach2012]

In any case, the obvious next move within this DC Black label would be to make an out-of-continuity old man Batman movie. That seems like the entire reason to create this label honestly. Keaton is waiting..

 

[Boy Scout]

In any case, the obvious next move within this DC Black label would be to make an out-of-continuity old man Batman movie. That seems like the entire reason to create this label honestly. Keaton is waiting..

I’m gonna want this until one of us is dead.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I mean if WB doesn’t feel like easily making a billion dollars, then yeah just leave Keaton hanging. Otherwise, let’s get this Batman Beyond movie up and running.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah no point in seeing a live action adaptation of what is generally considered to be the greatest Batman comic of all time...

Honestly, and maybe this is a big “hot take”, but I find TDKR to be really dated. And I honestly would have no interest in a straight up adaptation of it. I felt the best part of the story is the opening, through him capturing Two-Face. The idea of the aging Batman, seeing him really struggle with his own morality in the no kill rule, the montage of everyone seeing him return, great stuff.

From there, the political commentary is very much a product of its time, and we see many of the over the top elements of Miller’s writing that would later dominate his work popping up. The need to make any prevalent female hero/anti-hero a hooker, the weirdly militant Batman towards the end with him adopting the formerly murderous gang members into his fold, etc.

It’s a book I’ll always appreciate for its huge influence and what it did for the genre, but I much prefer things like TLH, or even Miller’s Year One over TDKR.

I think the character has evolved beyond the book at this point, and taking the time to do a direct TDKR adaptation would be a step back in many ways. I’m fine with homages to it here and there, or taking elements, but I think it’s a story that is more important for the tone it introduced rather than its actual content, if that makes sense.

 

[MadVillainy]

Honestly, and maybe this is a big “hot take”, but I find TDKR to be really dated. And I honestly would have no interest in a straight up adaptation of it. I felt the best part of the story is the opening, through him capturing Two-Face. The idea of the aging Batman, seeing him really struggle with his own morality in the no kill rule, the montage of everyone seeing him return, great stuff.

From there, the political commentary is very much a product of its time, and we see many of the over the top elements of Miller’s writing that would later dominate his work popping up. The need to make any prevalent female hero/anti-hero a hooker, the weirdly militant Batman towards the end with him adopting the formerly murderous gang members into his fold, etc.

It’s a book I’ll always appreciate for its huge influence and what it did for the genre, but I much prefer things like TLH, or even Miller’s Year One over TDKR.

I think the character has evolved beyond the book at this point, and taking the time to do a direct TDKR adaptation would be a step back in many ways. I’m fine with homages to it here and there, or taking elements, but I think it’s a story that is more important for the tone it introduced rather than its actual content, if that makes sense.

I straight up say I don't like TDKR as a comic. The animated movie I think did really well which is weird because you know it's an adaptation. But I have no love for the comic book itself .
I don't get why people are still so up on it.

But like you said, I appreciate it for it's influence and impact on the character and comic books as a whole

 

[Hollis Mason]

I'm just getting tired of all the Frank Miller inspirations for the majority of the live action movies.

There's soooo many different writers out there, and they all seem to gravitate towards Frank Miller.

Well, his stories, in my opinion, are the ones that made Batman who he is today (alongside Moore and Burton) and for many, the best ones, so i think they must have a reason. TDKR is a great comic book imo. It has a lot of symbolism and heart inside. Of course, that was before Miller lost his touch. Year One is also a great story and one of my favorites. But you have a point, tho.

 

[Hollis Mason]

I’m gonna want this until one of us is dead.

That, or a Batman Beyond movie with Keaton.

 

[Gee]

70mm release? I wonder if it'll be worth to watch in that format like it was for Hateful Eight.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well, his stories, in my opinion, are the ones that made Batman who he is today (alongside Moore and Burton) and for many, the best ones, so i think they must have a reason. TDKR is a great comic book imo. It has a lot of symbolism and heart inside. Of course, that was before Miller lost his touch. Year One is also a great story and one of my favorites. But you have a point, tho.

Neil Adams did a lot to get Batman to a more serious tone too, and then Miller helped push it over the edge. Miller had a huge impact on the character no doubt, and TDKR was incredibly influential. But I think that there are other aspects to explore to the character beyond what Miller did now, and in ways that are a tad less heavy handed.

 

[Hollis Mason]

Neil Adams did a lot to get Batman to a more serious tone too, and then Miller helped push it over the edge. Miller had a huge impact on the character no doubt, and TDKR was incredibly influential. But I think that there are other aspects to explore to the character beyond what Miller did now, and in ways that are a tad less heavy handed.

My favorite part of TDKR is that it explores a lot what Batman is. It shows how much Bruce has obssesed with his alter-ego to the point o not knowing if he is Bruce Wayne anymore. I liked that it shows how much Robin means to him (a small glimpse of innocence in his dark and twisted mind). While i love Adams and his work, to me, Miller is the one who finished the job in the best way. TDKR feels like an epic war story about one man fighting against a world that just wants to be destroyed. It truly feels like the final chapter. He pushed Batman to the limit and changed the genre alongside Moore with Watchmen. This may sound foolish, but to me, TDKR showed how much Bruce struggled with his tragic past, how much he wanted to help people. It showed Batman at his best and his stories are the ones that made me fall in love with this character. And for what i see, not only me, but a lot of people. Literally every top or ranking about comics has TDKR in the top 10, or Year One. It's just a story i think deserves a proper adaptation. It's one of the stories that changed comics forever, it DESERVES one. But that's just my opinion. You are totally free to disgree.

 

[JimThompson]

Neil Adams did a lot to get Batman to a more serious tone too, and then Miller helped push it over the edge. Miller had a huge impact on the character no doubt, and TDKR was incredibly influential. But I think that there are other aspects to explore to the character beyond what Miller did now, and in ways that are a tad less heavy handed.

I find The Dark Knight Returns (and Batman Year One, for the matter of it) still reads pretty well. What comes after that is a very mixed bag (though I thought 2016's The Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade was very enjoyable.)

 

[Hollis Mason]

I find The Dark Knight Returns (and Batman Year One, for the matter of it) still reads pretty well. What comes after that is a very mixed bag (though I thought 2016's The Dark Knight Returns: The Last Crusade was very enjoyable.)

I own the deluxe editions of both comics. Those were my first two comics i ever read, so i am problably biased.

 

[JimThompson]

I own the deluxe editions of both comics. Those were my first two comics i ever read, so i am problably biased.

I sometimes think people who were not around when those stories came out really just cannot understand how powerful and impactful they were.

 

[hellblazer103]

Neil Adams did a lot to get Batman to a more serious tone too, and then Miller helped push it over the edge.

see though, that's my issue when people make it out like "Batman is only dark because Miller made it dark", completely ignoring nearly a decade of stories by Adams/O'Neil that DID bring it back to a more serious tone like it originally had

I guess you could say Miller took it to a new level, but there's no reason to doubt that it would've gotten there at some point or another anyway