Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Boom]

Protagonist =/= good guy or hero.

This movie, man. I swear, this is one of the most bizarre reactions to a movie that I've ever seen. This weird criticism on art and entertainment is seeping into everything now. We've seen it heavily with videogames and standup comedy, and now we're seeing it with theatrical movies. But this level of hysteria is both hilarious and frightening. It's a straight up moral panic. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime.

I have a feeling when I walk out of the theater on Thursdsay, I'll just be like, "that's what all the fuss was about?".

No kidding. In fact, many of the reviews I've read shared that exact same sentiment.

Fortunately we only have to deal with this **** for one more week. Then the movie will come out and people can actually see it for themselves.

 

[Boom]

Is the premiere tonight?

 

[Yowza]

This movie, man. I swear, this is one of the most bizarre reactions to a movie that I've ever seen. This weird criticism on art and entertainment is seeping into everything now. We've seen it heavily with videogames and standup comedy, and now we're seeing it with theatrical movies. But this level of hysteria is both hilarious and frightening. It's a straight up moral panic. I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime.

I have a feeling when I walk out of the theater on Thursdsay, I'll just be like, "that's what all the fuss was about?".

I feel like a flipside version of the National Legion of Decency is starting to rear its head. Instead of morally obectionable content to Catholic sensibilities this time we have socially responsible narrative lenses we are supposed to view everything through... (while of course excusing irresponsible pot stirring narratives infused into promotional interviews by the media before the public event of first week's release of course)

Its a flipside opposite yet instead of actual content per se imposes a necessity for movies to frame or guide the story in a heavy handed framed context in order to showcase thought provoking subject matter.

A cautionary tale shouldnt always have to guide the audience's hand as much as i think some of these journalists perhaps think it should especially if R rated.

 

[brandeezy89]

Is the premiere tonight?

Yup

 

[Sundancer]

Didn't we go through this with Scarface?

 

[mddbatman]

I guess the score hasn't come out yet, shame, I'm looking forward to it. Anyway, me and my younger brother went to the football today(or soccer as Americans call it) and we walked passed the cinema where we will be watching Joker together, we were so excited to see the poster, we are both dying to see it, and all this negative talk doesn't affect us at all. We are just 2 loving brothers who can't wait to go and watch this and have a great night together.

 

[Orb]

As a Kojima fan im happy he loved it. Curious to see other creators' takes

 

[Hollis Mason]

The fact he compared this to the Exorcist makes me so happy.

 

[Orb]

Rolling out the green carpet for the premiere

 

[Yowza]

I know people often bash accuracy of IMDB but overall score right now is 9.5/10 from 15,785 user ratings thus far Joker (2019) - User ratings - IMDb

Accurate or not, I usually find films that are ranked above 6 that I think sound interesting to be well done and worth watching.

 

[Kane52630]

Going by IMDB ratings is like reading youtube comments, utterly useless with zero merit.

 

[Yowza]

Going by IMDB ratings is like reading youtube comments, utterly useless with zero merit.

Still, it averages out ok for most movies. Lesser known movies that aren't socially trending massively popular films usually contain a higher degree of accuracy as people aren't giving out fake reviews as much.

I've cross reverenced films on there and actually found it to be worthwhile when deciding what to watch regardless of accuracy unlike other sites that are supposedly more accurately reflecting what's trending and undivisive.

IMDB should get an overhaul though to weed out fake reviews especially in pre-release or when in theaters though.

Still, the barchart is interesting: Joker (2019) - User ratings - IMDb. Very few people ranked the film 2 through 7, trends more popularly with males but not too much, and tends to dip a bit for ages 45+. Non-US users (assuming for most part truthful) have the film ranked about 1.2 points higher which doesn't say much as doesn't go by country. Also, top 1000 voters (about 60 users) have given a weighted avg score of 6.5 out of 10 so far.

 

[Pennywise]

Love that twirl he does on stage!!

 

[TheGuy]

I wonder what some of the critics who bash Joker for promoting gun violence or any other would say for The Irishman.

 

[dhandler01]

I think it is funny people think WB played this wrong...they have gotten so much free press from this faux controversy (and kept the spotlight by having Phillips talk) that to say they did anything but KILLED IT is just people seeing what they want to see. People are talking about this movie who even 2 weeks ago had zero interest in it. The tracking is still ridiculous (between $80-100 million) and it is still getting reviewed at a high level. WB got millions of dollars of free advertising from all of this and are laughing. The outrage is being torn to shreds and is doing nothing but helping WB.

 

[Orb]

 

[Micromind]

Great to see other DCEU cast and crew here !

Edit: Joker team looks so happy and relaxed too.

 

[TheGuy]

 

[frankgutz]

More and more studios should do this when it comes to so called critics or journalists. Especially the ones who are heavily biased in a specific and certain direction trying to push their bs agendas.

Being waiting for this in a loooong time, its nice to see WB growing some balls, good for them
Movie was already getting trashed since weeks ago by ppl who didnt even watch it so yeah, they deserve this for pushing that bs agenda

 

[frankgutz]

Yes! Lets all root for the big giant corporation to restrict press access because of negative coverage! Because the big giant corporations are our friends and they need to be protected from negative press coverage. Fawning press coverage and press too scared to say anything negative will definitely serve us MUCH better in the future! You are absolutely right.

the fact that bs agenda ive seen it only by americans critics and bloggers, damn, i think it does more harm theses critics pushing agendas and wanting to create censorship on enterteinment when the real problem is american's gun control, not videogames, not films

 

[frankgutz]

'Joker' Director Todd Phillips Rebuffs Criticism of Dark Tone: 'We Didn't Make the Movie to Push Buttons' (Exclusive)

The positive reviews were starting to make me interested in seeing this movie. But then this...

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Now I am less interested.

That's basically what they've been saying for a while now . I guess when it's put that way it sounds pretty insulting, but look at the state of comic book films today. Apart from movies like this and Logan that come up out of the blue here and there to break the mold, they've become pretty formulaic, pretty standard, run-of-the-mill etc.

I don't really see a problem with what he's saying, tbh. No need to get triggered about one person's opinion. Let's not act like general cbm's are high art masterpieces, because imo they aren't, besides some exceptions
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Literally, like he never lied or has backtracked, i dont know where comes this fake outrafe lmao, i remember someone attacking him moooonths ago in his IG because Joker wasnt following comics and his origin and he just answer with: This film is not for you.

He has been this is not a comic accurate film so... it still doesnt change the fact that almost every non american critic has loved and praised the film, we know they just love to blame films and games for them own personal agenda, literally there was like 4 mass shootings last month aimed at mexicans triggered by Trump's speech. lmao

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Who gives a s***, DC and WB will continue on for years and years. Just be glad we are getting something creative instead of the same mind numbing s**t

THANK you!

 

[FunkMiller]

I wonder what some of the critics who bash Joker for promoting gun violence or any other would say for The Irishman.

They won’t say anything, simply because The Irishman isn’t based on an incredibly popular comic book character.

That is, quite simply, the only reason any of this controversy exists.

All that’s happened here is that a classic pop culture villain has been positioned as the protagonist, with a morality, and psychological agenda that steers close to those of real life mass shooters. This makes some people very uncomfortable.

Remove the fact it’s The Joker, and nobody would bat an eyelid.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think that in today's climate if you released TAXI DRIVER, you'd get a lot of the exact same reactions from many of the same quarters. It being the Joker gives it a higher profile but given the real world conditions, the online culture, the fact that we are in a time of a lot of mass shootings by people that often leave "manifestos" about how they see the world... Nah, I think even if you took away the Joker from the equation, a talent like Phoenix in a Scorcese produced film doing a sort of 21st Century TAXI DRIVER at a major studio... I think we'd still see some hand wringing.

 

[TheGuy]

They won’t say anything, simply because The Irishman isn’t based on an incredibly popular comic book character.

That is, quite simply, the only reason any of this controversy exists.

All that’s happened here is that a classic pop culture villain has been positioned as the protagonist, with a morality, and psychological agenda that steers close to those of real life mass shooters. This makes some people very uncomfortable.

Remove the fact it’s The Joker, and nobody would bat an eyelid.

I agree, but that's hypocritical because the popularity of the character shouldn't determine their response when so many other films portray violence glowingly. I've ragged on other members here that criticizing the reviews before even watching the film is wrong, but recent issues with the Aurora parents, hell even the FBI and Army are too much.