Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[Maze]

Well, i did get that point like you skulldevil, now in France, the Gillet jaunes (among other groups are not only attacked violently and a lot of times gratuitly by the police, they regularly bullied humiliated and mocked by the "elites" and the medias (with a lot of false coverage on them) so like Guard is saying it can be seen broadly. I agree with doc Samson on that too : we can see many thing in the movie... i think that's because, it's is really rich...

 

[Maze]

And this is what the critics were trying to speaking on, though sometimes in a juvenile manner themselves.

I'm an 80's baby, hold Commando and Terminator in high esteem to this day. Saw all the Rambos, love John Wick and Deadpool so on, but I walked out of this movie agreeing with some of the the critics' concerns. It's not the amount of violence, it's the visceral and realistic way it's depicted.

When he shoots Murray, it's made to look real. There isn't that balletic, rehearsed movement of Wick or Deadpool, and the fact that the whole theater cheered every time he killed someone completely misses the point of the violence. Joker attempts to justify and sympathize with someone suffering the same type of mental illness that a lot of mass shooters suffer from. How anyone can't understand that concern is beyond me...

You must remember if you are an eighie guy like i am, that people cheered when seeing rambo 2 and there that was almost the point. Remember that the Viet were "faceless" men who torture people. i mean even Reagan back in the day endorsed the character as patriotic example. Not exactly the message of Rambo first blood. Not saying that Reagan was one hundreth right about Rambo 2 ( i mean John fights too against some of the treacherous administration) but i think that we were supposed to cheer when seeing John in action. He was avenging America in a way. He was this hardened hero. His action looked cool. Not so much with the Joker.

 

[Arachnerd]

Well, i did get that point like you skulldevil, now in France, the Gillet jaunes (among other groups are not only attacked violently and a lot of times gratuitly by the police, they regularly bullied humiliated and mocked by the "elites" and the medias (with a lot of false coverage on them) so like Guard is saying it can be seen broadly. I agree with doc Samson on that too : we can see many thing in the movie... i think that's because, it's is really rich...

True, but I think just looking at this movie and going "this might be about Trump" is kind of a superficial and surface-level analysis of it imo.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[Gothamsknight]

Hell yes

 

[Micromind]

Saw the Joker movie today, it lived upto hype and definitely made me feel uncomfortable during few scenes !

 

[Doc Samson]

He was avenging America in a way. He was this hardened hero. His action looked cool. Not so much with the Joker.

Right, there's nothing cool about the way they depict the murders in Joker, they wanted it as visceral and grounded as they could make it. I'm just saying when you do it like that, the way you receive it can be different if you're not the most together individual.

I knew the Murray death was coming, I thought he was going to mow down everyone in sight for an even more direct homage to DKR. But it still shocked me when it happened because of how it was done.

 

[Maze]

Agreed, but you can remark that a lot of people ( including people who felt it is dangerous) were feeling disconfort. And that was the point, we are here talking about it, yes with our pov. Of course we have all our experiences, so we are going to see things differently. it is enginering conversation and that's a good thing! Movies like John Wick and others dont do that job. People are entertained and that's it.

Look, i know (and i dont mean that in a condenscending way) that it's a tough moment for America. i understand why people could be afraid of a movie like that. But in my mind, a movie cant trigger a guy, if he is not loco, and ready to kill, he would find any excuse.

 

[BatLobster]

This is why as a Proto-Joker film, or a film where he's just telling stories to make himself seem justified to his therapist, I can consider a classic. Where otherwise, I would find it horrible in that it depicts someone completely against their character.

I completely know what you mean. It's a weird response to have to a film where you like it a lot more only if you frame it that way. And yet that's also exactly how I find myself viewing the film.

Thankfully, the movie did offer up enough ambiguity at the end where I felt I was justified in having that interpretation.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

A convicted paedophile earning money from the use of his material in a motion picture is disgusting.

All other considerations aside, it was a stupid and quite reprehensible move on Phillips’s part to include that song, and it’s right he’s being criticised for it.

Where are all the other clickbait articles about every other movie and sporting event that has used the song since Glitter's conviction? Its only a problem because THIS film did it.

 

[The Endless]

I think it's a great film regardless.

But if we go with the idea that the whole film is Joker telling a "multiple choice" origin to the therapist at the end (and us), or its him reminiscing to himself... it becomes the greatest portrayal of the Joker in live action, for me. Telling a tall tale, making him seem sympathetic, making his nemesis' father out to be a *****e who got what he deserved, just for ****s and giggles... it's pure Joker.

 

[Travesty]

Wow

I never expected this movie to bomb, but I didn't expect it to do as good as it is. That's good to see.

 

[Micromind]

WB should release more DC movies in October.

 

[Gothamsknight]

WB should release more DC movies in October.

I fully support a Batman film releasing in october.

 

[Micromind]

I fully support a Batman film releasing in october.

Not a bad idea, they should even consider releasing WW84 in October.

 

[dhandler01]

A convicted paedophile earning money from the use of his material in a motion picture is disgusting.

All other considerations aside, it was a stupid and quite reprehensible move on Phillips’s part to include that song, and it’s right he’s being criticised for it.

You understand you can still hear his songs in other films and in arenas all over America right? And you can buy those songs on streaming services right?

You can argue none of them should use it...but since that isn't the case the media is being disingenuous at best. They didn't care before and only do now because they are trying to cash in on the Joker hysteria.

 

[FunkMiller]

Where are all the other clickbait articles about every other movie and sporting event that has used the song since Glitter's conviction? Its only a problem because THIS film did it.

Just... stop. You’re defending the indefensible just because it involves a movie you like. A little perspective is needed on these things.

You understand you can still hear his songs in other films and in arenas all over America right? And you can buy those songs on streaming services right?

You can argue none of them should use it...but since that isn't the case the media is being disingenuous at best. They didn't care before and only do now because they are trying to cash in on the Joker hysteria.

If this is true, your country really is the pits.

 

[dhandler01]

Just... stop. You’re defending the indefensible just because it involves a movie you like. A little perspective is needed on these things.

No we are showing you that this controversy is bs. You don't want to hear it because you don't agree with it.

Last I heard you can get the song on ITunes still...you throwing a fit daily over that?

 

[Man in the Suit]

How Martin Scorsese Paved the Way for 'Joker'

Toby Emmerich, now Warners film chief, loved the script co-written by Phillips and Scott Silver, but questioned whether it needed to live in the DC Universe at all, lest it be dubbed "dark" like the label that was then sticking to its movies. Tsujihara greenlit Joker, which cost less than $70 million, leaving Jared Leto — who played Joker in Suicide Squad — alienated and upset by the move.

 

[Arachnerd]

He's playing a blood-sucking vampire next, he'll be fine.

 

[Invader Joker]

Not a bad idea, they should even consider releasing WW84 in October.

No.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

Just... stop. You’re defending the indefensible just because it involves a movie you like. A little perspective is needed on these things.




If this is true, your country really is the pits.

 

[Boom]

Don't they still play that song during NBA games, or has that stopped since his conviction?

Just another instance of being able to separate art from the artist. Some people can do that, others can't, nobody's wrong. Having said that, they could have avoided this altogether by simply not using it. I didn't even think the song was appropriate for that scene anyway. Seemed a bit jarring considering the rest of the musical score that had preceded it.

 

[Gothamsknight]

How Martin Scorsese Paved the Way for 'Joker'

With all due respect to Jared Leto, because I think he's a fantastic actor and was absolutely brilliant in Blade Runner 2049, but Letoker was just horrendous. I can't think of anybody that would want a film all about whatever that was,

 

[dhandler01]

Don't they still play that song during NBA games, or has that stopped since his conviction?

Just another instance of being able to separate art from the artist. Some people can do that, others can't, nobody's wrong. Having said that, they could have avoided this altogether by simply not using it. I didn't even think the song was appropriate for that scene anyway. Seemed a bit jarring considering the rest of the musical score that had preceded it.

Which is why I thought it was perfect. It literally made me laugh which was needed after what happened. That is just me though...

I think Gary Glitter is the scum of the Earth but that doesnt mean I cant like the song. I personally can separate the art from the man. I understand others that cant and its all good. But to pretend this "controversy" isnt only because of the film is ludicrous. The song is everywhere and no one has complained. Sure some teams (my college for example) have banned it (and the fans are still pissed about it) but not even close to all of them have or will. The media didnt care about it then, hasnt until now and wont mention it 6 months from now when Joker isnt a big deal. They dont care about Gary Glitter being played, they care that Joker gets them clicks.