Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[dhandler01]

They think because of international that it might reach a billion ​

Without China that would be almost impossible. though there are a few who think it could get close.

That said...the film cost almost nothing. Even if you do the double the budget method this film is going to make so much money it is defies logic. I mean if it hits $800 million it wil make over $600 million profit

 

[Invader Joker]

I dont agree. . All the action and Fx cant save a movie. And you cant have arbitrarly have action or even romance, thinking you are going to make more bucks. that's the opposite of thinking when you do a Joker. Concentrate on the movie that you want to tell.

Sigh

I'm not saying it can save a movie. I'm just saying it makes it more accessible. It doesn't depend on just that but it certainly helps.

There's no denying that The Batman WILL make more money than Joker for a variety of reasons. I just wonder: how much more?

 

[dhandler01]

Well, this is a surprise...

Well of course he was never getting the royalties. The ridiculous outrage (even in this thread) over that stupid made up story was pathetic.

 

[dhandler01]

A $50m Lex film doesn't need to make a billion. Also, it only dropped 29% internationally... it'll hit a Billie

You really think so? I trust you guys on this more than me but without China I just cant see it happening.

 

[Maze]

Sigh

I'm not saying it can save a movie. I'm just saying it makes it more accessible. It doesn't depend on just that but it certainly helps.

There's no denying that The Batman WILL make more money than Joker for a variety of reasons. I just wonder: how much more?

Again i disagree. Joker tell us the opposite

 

[Invader Joker]

Again i disagree. Joker tell us the opposite

Disagree about the motives all you want, but again: I don't think there's any denying The Batman will make more money than Joker, and Joker is already making a ton. I just wonder how crazy that box office can go.

 

[TMP98]

You really think so? I trust you guys on this more than me but without China I just cant see it happening.

I think it'll have great holds internationally if this weekend was any indication, due to very strong word of mouth overseas

 

[Maze]

ps: when you have a 70 millions Joker movie who's going to make at least 700 millions, you dont do necessarly more bucks with a 150 millions Batman movie. Public have spoken.

 

[Maze]

Disagree about the motives all you want, but again: I don't think there's any denying The Batman will make more money than Joker, and Joker is already making a ton. I just wonder how crazy that box office can go.

numbers are numbers, disagree all you want

ps: and no a Batman movie can fail, we all know it

 

[Pennywise]

All this success, I can't see WB wanting to leave this as a one off.

Phllips seems adamant about that, however.

 

[Invader Joker]

numbers are numbers, disagree all you want

You still fail to adress the bottomline is the fact that movie will make more money than this movie.

Be it because of the PG 13 rating, the fact that it'll have access to markets this movie doesn't like China, because of a likely higher budget spent towards marketing. or whatever motives you want to say, the bottomline is The Batman will make more money and since Joker is already doing insane numbers thanks to its brand, I wonder how much more money solo Batman is going to make.

 

[Maze]

You still fail to adress the bottomline is the fact that movie will make more money than this movie.

Be it because of the PG 13 rating, the fact that it'll have access to markets this movie doesn't like China, because of a likely higher budget spent towards marketing. or whatever motives you want to say, the bottomline is The Batman will make more money and since Joker is already doing insane numbers thanks to its brand, I wonder how much more money solo Batman is going to make.

No, you still fail to see that fact : a Batman movie is not garanteed to make more bucks, than the Joker, PG 13 or not, with action or not.

Anyways, i think we are derailing that top, which is about the Joker

 

[geosphere]

I don't know where it will end up but Hughes said 700 million is essentially the bottom at this point according to the article I posted earlier:

Mark Hughes from Forbes who essentially predicted that Aquaman would make 1.1 billion+ before it even came out thinks Joker has a shot at $800million or more in total. He also says that $700million is inevitable:

‘Joker’ Stuns With $450+ Million Haul, Headed To $750+ Million Finish

300 million would have been good for this film. The fact that we are debating a billion really speaks to just how successful this film is. I don't know what Warner Brothers is gonna do after this. especially considering their history of being so reactionary. I just hope that they are thoughtful and take their time. They can do remarkable things if they just have the right people to plan it.

btw is it confirmed that the film is not ever going to be released in China?

 

[Invader Joker]

No, you still dont see that fact : a Batman movie is not garanteed to make more bucks, than the Joker, PG 13 or not.

-It'll have access to more markets, including China's gigantic one.
-It'll have a wider demographic thanks to its PG 13 rating (A lot of teenagers and kids exist ya know)
-It'll have a bigger budget and probably a bigger marketing budget.
-It'll have more spectacle (why do you think Aquaman made a billion? Spectacle helps.)
-It'll have a well known star as its lead that will likely attract a nostalgic audience.

Provided they don't screw things horribly during marketing and the movie is great, I don't see how there's any scenario that movie makes less money than this movie.

And this movie is already doing great thanks to its brand. So, how much more money is that going to make? 100 million more? 300 million more?

 

[Maze]

I already answered you.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

This making half a billion dollars in just two weeks is utter insanity. Even if it doesn't quite get to a billion this performance has still been nothing short of astonishing. I think it's going to finish well north of $800M WW and $900M is definitely possible as well if it maintains those kinds of holds OS.

 

[Micromind]

All this success, I can't see WB wanting to leave this as a one off.

Phllips seems adamant about that, however.

I don't want them to make a sequel to Joker, if it's quality is not as good as the first one (Look at IT Chapter 2), then it will look as if they failed to ensure same level of commitment / quality/script as the first one.

 

[Micromind]

No, you still fail to see that fact : a Batman movie is not garanteed to make more bucks, than the Joker, PG 13 or not, with action or not.

Anyways, i think we are derailing that top, which is about the Joker

Nothing is guaranteed, after Justice League's failure (and after Green Lantern's failure, which on paper looked as amazing concept.) I have learned that much, hope other people learn that too.

 

[Invader Joker]

Nothing is guaranteed, after Justice League's failure (and after Green Lantern's failure, which on paper looked as amazing concept.) I have learned that much, hope other people learn that too.

Because Justice League was a **** movie. If The Batman is a bad movie, i could see it not even reaching Joker's numbers, but if it's a great movie, then how high can it go? And how higher than this movie?

 

[geosphere]

Mendelson believes it will get academy recognition he stresses that he is not saying that it will win Best Picture but he believes more or less that it will indeed be considered for award season:

Box Office: ‘Joker’ Drops Less Than ‘Black Panther’ And ‘Wonder Woman,’ Nears $550 Million, Becomes An Oscar Frontrunner

 

[Maze]

Nothing is guaranteed, after Justice League's failure (and after Green Lantern's failure, which on paper looked as amazing concept.) I have learned that much, hope other people learn that too.

Exactly .Now, Invader still recognise that you need a great movie. You cant rely exclusivly on a brand, we all agree on this. The thing is and i think that Warner learned about it : it's not about adding more action or romance, it's making the movie that you feel you have to do. IF (and it's really a IF ) Reeves movie have minimal action (and maybe a lesser budget) and its a great mystery movie, who's to tell how many it's going to make? Now he his inspired to tell us a great action Batman movie, bring it on. What we do all want is good movies

 

[geosphere]

Because Justice League was a **** movie. If The Batman is a bad movie, i could see it not even reaching Joker's numbers, but if it's a great movie, then how high can it go? And how higher than this movie?

QUALITY IS KEY! RESPECT THE AUDIENCE!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Because Justice League was a **** movie. If The Batman is a bad movie, i could see it not even reaching Joker's numbers, but if it's a great movie, then how high can it go? And how higher than this movie?

The recast helps. I'd have serious doubts that the GA would give Affleck another chance.

 

[TheSmoothKnight]

All this success, I can't see WB wanting to leave this as a one off.

Phllips seems adamant about that, however.

What if WB/Reeves brings on Phillips as a Executive producer for the The Batman and sequel? I know it’s not going to happen, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they’re thinking about the possibilities of this universe. It would be so different from the MCU, and that’s what DC/WB need to do.

 

[Invader Joker]

Exactly .Now, Invader still recognise that you need a great movie. You cant rely exclusivly on a brand, we all agree on this. The thing is and i think that Warner learned about it : it's not about adding more action or romance, it's making the movie that you feel you have to do. IF (and it's really a IF ) Reeves movie have minimal action (and maybe a lesser budget) and its a great mystery movie, who's to tell how many it's going to make? Now he his inspired to tell us a great action Batman movie, bring it on. What we do all want is good movies

My point is that a great movie with spectacle and access to all the big markets and pretty much all demographics has more box office potential than a great movie without those advantages.

It's not THE things that make a movies box office (well, not always), but they do help.

And The Batman is currently scheduled to release in summer, it's fair to say it's probably gonna have a bigger budget and more spectacle than this movie.