"The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached?

[OutOfBoose]

I for one encourage this initiative - less shared universe, more stand-alone stuff.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nolan was so lucky he got in and got out when he did.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I for one encourage this initiative - less shared universe, more stand-alone stuff.

I like it too..

Bring on the Batman Beyond movie!!

 

[-JKR-]

I think regardless of how many fans don't like this development, they need to brace themselves for the possibility that Reeve's Batman film will also be separate from the DCEU continuity and that others films going forward are gonna abandon the Marvel style paradigm .

Ultimately, WB did what the fans demanded and gave them a shared universe. Aside from Wonder Woman which itself was quite isolated, the results have been mixed at best. They clearly struggle with it ,and do much better with stand alone's like TDK trilogy and Donner's Superman .

So if its a choice of constantly fixing a shared universe for the sake of having one and pleasing fanboys, or letting filmmakers like Jenkins, Scorsese, Reeves, Whedon, and potentially Matthew Vaughn and Robert Zemeckis, have the creative freedom to tell solid stand alone stories, and make successful films, I think WB is gonna chose the latter option.

God, I hope so! Let movies be movies!

 

[I Am The Knight]

The shared universe COULD have worked with the right vision. A solid plan.

And I don't like the idea of two cinematic Jokers running around at the same time.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I like it too..

Bring on the Batman Beyond movie!!

If it leads to a Batman Beyond movie starring Michael Keaton, then I'm all for this initiative.

WB need to go and dump a load of money outside his house.

 

[Pennywise]

Sounds like Reeves' Batman film might not be in the DCEU. Very interesting, especially since they seem to want to plan different takes on characters!

“Well I have a vision for a way to do something with that character [Batman] that feels like it resonates with me personally, and a perspective that can grow out into other things. When they [Warner Bros.] approached me, what they said was ‘look, it’s a standalone, it’s not part of the extended universe.’”

https://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/s...matt-reeves-on-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes

 

[OutOfBoose]

I don't care how many cinematic Jokers run out there, I just want great stand-alone films, each one of them has strong artistic vision and individuality. Or maybe separate trilogies or whatever.

I want DC Films to be not a shared universe, but sign of quality of comic book movies. Like Pixar or something.

 

[marvelrobbins]

the approach should be make batman or superman or wonder woman films without the need to force to connect.if they want to down line do tea up film or justice league film that is fine.

wb should scrap surcide swquad sequel and gotham city sirens entirelyaffleck is leaving batman after justice league nless he cameos in flashpoint yet lato is still playing the joker?

my suspecion is The batman doesn't happen till after flashpoint which will be time travelreboot of DC film universe.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I for one encourage this initiative - less shared universe, more stand-alone stuff.

I don't care how many cinematic Jokers run out there, I just want great stand-alone films, each one of them has strong artistic vision and individuality. Or maybe separate trilogies or whatever.

I want DC Films to be not a shared universe, but sign of quality of comic book movies. Like Pixar or something.

You are echoing my feelings. Give the directors the creative freedom to explore new territories. I would very much prefer a much wider scope for these movies where the directors are allowed to go wild with their imagination. I welcome one and done movies with great storytelling and no baggages over films that'll be made for more sequel prospects. That is much better than working within a specific sandbox and ticking boxes to make a sellout movie like Skwad. There is every chance for a few duds in there but that's a risk worth taking for bigger accomplishments.

 

[Predator jp]

for me FOX-Men verse is ideal form of cinematic shared universe.
it's loose enough to do movies like Deadpool or Logan but tight enough to feel somewhat cohesive.

 

[Brother Jack]

Even with Scorsese somehow being involved, I have no interest in this. The Joker is, for me, a character that works best when his origin is left vague. And without Batman he doesn't work at all. The whole thing just sounds ill advised. A quick cash grab for one of its most iconic characters, despite him already being generally oversaturated.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I see this as being a combo of TKJ and Azzarello's Joker

hell yeah

been wanting a Joker movie for a while

 

[I Am The Knight]

You are echoing my feelings. Give the directors the creative freedom to explore new territories. I would very much prefer a much wider scope for these movies where the directors are allowed to go wild with their imagination. I welcome one and done movies with great storytelling and no baggages over films that'll be made for more sequel prospects. That is much better than working within a specific sandbox and ticking boxes to make a sellout movie like Skwad. There is every chance for a few duds in there but that's a risk worth taking for bigger accomplishments.

Oh like this isn't a sellout move? Look around you. Sony is doing a standalone Venom movie. Fox is doing a standalone Dr. Doom movie. Both probably R rated. WB is just trying to cash in with the new fad like all the other studios. That's the game.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Oh like this isn't a sellout move? Look around you. Sony is doing a standalone Venom movie. Fox is doing a standalone Dr. Doom movie. Both probably R rated. WB is just trying to cash in with the new fad like all the other studios. That's the game.

But there is still hope that this movie or any other movie under the new DC banner can do totally out of the box/unhinged stuff that will not be constrained by working within set parameters of a Cinematic Universe. I hope to see CBMs that'll carry no baggage from other movies by the same studio and where directors can put their foot down and make creative decisions that'll not be hampered by studio mandated shenanigans.

You are definitely right that Sony and FOX are also doing similar things atm and I for one is greatly looking forward to both. I know you probably think that these are really bad ideas, they don't look good on paper and they don't inspire confidence with previous track record of the Studio and I understand that. Yet I'm very much excited for all these movies.

 

[Frodo]

the approach should be make batman or superman or wonder woman films without the need to force to connect.if they want to down line do tea up film or justice league film that is fine.

wb should scrap surcide swquad sequel and gotham city sirens entirelyaffleck is leaving batman after justice league nless he cameos in flashpoint yet lato is still playing the joker?

my suspecion is The batman doesn't happen till after flashpoint which will be time travelreboot of DC film universe.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gotham City Sirens ultimately goes the way of an MOS sequel. I.e. they keeping talking about doing it, but it doesn't materialize. Ditto with SS 2.

I actually don't think we're gonna have two Jokers at once, the same way we won't have to Batman's at once. I think they're basically phasing out Affleck and Leto , and who ever plays the Joker next will be the Joker going forward in whatever capacity the filmmakers wish, and Reeve's Batman will be the only Batman. That's my suspicion.

I still wonder if they'll even go through with Flashpoint in the way they want to do it, if someone like Zemeckis comes on the project with the condition of doing their own thing ala Matt Reeves and Scorsese .

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I actually don't think we're gonna have two Jokers at once, the same way we won't have to Batman's at once. I think they're basically phasing out Affleck and Leto , and who ever plays the Joker next will be the Joker going forward in whatever capacity the filmmakers wish, and Reeve's Batman will be the only Batman. That's my suspicion.

Mine too. Something smells funny here.

 

[Greens]

the approach should be make batman or superman or wonder woman films without the need to force to connect.if they want to down line do tea up film or justice league film that is fine.

This is the best way to go about it, IMO. Make stand-alone films, and if there's a good story where Batman and Superman (for example) come together let that happen, but don't implement some large scheme with slates that go 10 years into the future.

 

[P Supreme]

Nolan was so lucky he got in and got out when he did.

it's the other way around WB got lucky with Nolan

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The main cause for my lack of interest in this film ultimately comes down to the director.

A Joker solo directed by the guy who did Taxi Driver and Goodfellas sounds A LOT more appealing than a Joker solo directed by the guy who did The Hangover and Starsky & Hutch.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

The main cause for my lack of interest in this film ultimately comes down to the director.

A Joker solo directed by the guy who did Taxi Driver and Goodfellas sounds A LOT more appealing than a Joker solo directed by the guy who did The Hangover and Starsky & Hutch.

Wait, is that his entire filmography??

Edit: Checked his credentials. Wow, so it entirely consists of comedies?? That does not inspire much confidence.

 

[Greens]

Wait, is that his entire filmography??

Edit: Checked his credentials. Wow, so it entirely consists of comedies?? That does not inspire much confidence.

What's wrong with the way he directed The Hangover? Burton and Nolan hadn't done action blockbusters before their Batman movies.

 

[NotNickFury]

Indeed, stranger things have happened. Prior to Winter Soldier, all the Russos had was TV shows- not even all action based- and You, Me, and Dupree. Doesn't exactly set you up to be amped for a Captain America sequel. Not to mention Melissa Rosenberg having written, of all things, the Twilight films, then she ended up as showrunner on Jessica Jones. There are other examples, I'm sure.

I agree that Phillips is the biggest outlier here, but hopefully I'm proven wrong.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Wait, is that his entire filmography??

Edit: Checked his credentials. Wow, so it entirely consists of comedies?? That does not inspire much confidence.

Well, Joker needs to have a sense of humor.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

What's wrong with the way he directed The Hangover? Burton and Nolan hadn't done action blockbusters before their Batman movies.

I have only seen the first one and that was some time back. I don't remember much of it. I saw Due Date recently and I quite liked it but it was an inferior remake attempt of Planes, Trains and Automobiles. It's not like I think he'll be bad, it's just that I wanted a name that I can get behind from the get go. I do remember Russo Bros did comedies before dabbling in CBMs and they have done a fantastic job so far so I'm open to getting surprised.