"The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached?

[Hurm...]

I don't care how many cinematic Jokers run out there, I just want great stand-alone films, each one of them has strong artistic vision and individuality. Or maybe separate trilogies or whatever.

I want DC Films to be not a shared universe, but sign of quality of comic book movies. Like Pixar or something.

This is the way to go.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Indeed, stranger things have happened. Prior to Winter Soldier, all the Russos had was TV shows- not even all action based- and You, Me, and Dupree. Doesn't exactly set you up to be amped for a Captain America sequel. Not to mention Melissa Rosenberg having written, of all things, the Twilight films, then she ended up as showrunner on Jessica Jones. There are other examples, I'm sure.

I agree that Phillips is the biggest outlier here, but hopefully I'm proven wrong.

Didn't see your post and you're quite right about Russo Bros. I didn't know about the writer of JJ or her track record but I haven't seen the Twilight movies so I can't possibly comment or judge her. But yeah, stranger things have happened before and anyone can surprise. Gotta give the guy a fair chance.

 

[NotNickFury]

Didn't see your post and you're quite right about Russo Bros. I didn't know about the writer of JJ or her track record but I haven't seen the Twilight movies so I can't possibly comment or judge her. But yeah, stranger things have happened before and anyone can surprise. Gotta give the guy a fair chance.

Fair chance and just hoping something surprising comes out of my expectations. I mean, talking Joker, I'll admit I was skeptical of Heath Ledger, for example. Not that I doubted his acting prowess, but having only seen Brokeback Mountain and A Knight's Tale, I didn't see a Joker in him. Same with my initial thoughts on Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle until she dropped that 'Oops' in Dark Knight Rises.

Again, Phillips is the only part that concerns me, but with comic book news in general, specifically with the DCEU, it'd be easy to get worked up until the next story, so for now, just waiting.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Fair chance and just hoping something surprising comes out of my expectations. I mean, talking Joker, I'll admit I was skeptical of Heath Ledger, for example. Not that I doubted his acting prowess, but having only seen Brokeback Mountain and A Knight's Tale, I didn't see a Joker in him. Same with my initial thoughts on Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle until she dropped that 'Oops' in Dark Knight Rises.

Again, Phillips is the only part that concerns me, but with comic book news in general, specifically with the DCEU, it'd be easy to get worked up until the next story, so for now, just waiting.

Yup. Sometimes it's just better to watch things unfold than getting worked up over stuff that isn't even set in stone yet.

Plus I'm more excited about the new DC Label. There are great Elseworld stories for Cinematic adaptation. I wouldn't even bat an eyelid if this gets scrapped. There are other amazing stuff that can be explored through this new development.

 

[Boy Scout]

As much as I'd love for DC to focus its efforts on fixing its cinematic universe, I don't have a problem with going back to separate, standalone movies. I just really don't see the point of an origin movie for The Joker. I'd much rather see a crime movie from his perspective, with Batman as the antagonist.

 

[Venom 1988]

I guess this was from last month but is now being reported on. Anyone else seen this before? Granted he may just mean that it wont directly tie into any other film, but given yesterdays news this may potentially mean something.

A couple of days before Comic-Con last month, The Batman director Matt Reeves was on “The Business” podcast hosted by The Hollywood Reporter’s Kim Masters. Reeves spoke about his position on making the movie, and had an interesting comment about how it was pitched to him by Warner Bros.
“When they approached me, what they said was: ‘look, it’s a standalone, this isn’t part of the extended universe,” Reeves said

http://batman-news.com/2017/08/23/matt-reeves-batman-standalone-not-extended-universe/

 

[Greens]

Probably means nothing.

 

[Bruce Malone]

The whole DCEU interconnected universe has been a mess so far with WW being the notable exception and truthfully to most people her connections to Cavill's Superman or Affleck's Batman played little to no role at all in the film's success, and it did well actually in spite of that arguably.

Let Marvel do Marvel and WB/DC need to find their own niche.

 

[Frodo]

The whole DCEU interconnected universe has been a mess so far with WW being the notable exception and truthfully to most people her connections to Cavill's Superman or Affleck's Batman played little to no role at all in the film's success, and it did well actually in spite of that arguably.

Let Marvel do Marvel and WB/DC need to find their own niche.

I agree. If the goal is good films , than a studio has to do what works best for them . Marvel/ Disney soar with an interconnected universe. WB works much better with filmmaker driven stand alone's. That's the reality at this point.

The ultimate goal is to tell good stories, not to have a shared film universe that mirrors the comics or what other studios are doing with their franchises.

You can't let the concept of an interconnected universe stifle opportunities and creative potential for the sake of making sure all these films line up and refer to each other.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Indeed, stranger things have happened. Prior to Winter Soldier, all the Russos had was TV shows- not even all action based- and You, Me, and Dupree. Doesn't exactly set you up to be amped for a Captain America sequel. Not to mention Melissa Rosenberg having written, of all things, the Twilight films, then she ended up as showrunner on Jessica Jones. There are other examples, I'm sure.

I agree that Phillips is the biggest outlier here, but hopefully I'm proven wrong.

I've been proven wrong before, but I think this is a shakier concept than the above examples so Phillips has his work cut out for him. Scorsese has done more than enough to prove to me he can handle this. Phillips hasn't so, I'm far more skeptical. Also remember that for every Russo or James Gunn, there is a Trank or Pitoff.

This could be great, but there is reason to be hesitant.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

What's wrong with the way he directed The Hangover? Burton and Nolan hadn't done action blockbusters before their Batman movies.

Nolan did do an excellent straight-forward crime drama in Insomnia though. So he wasn't that far removed from something like Batman.

 

[Greens]

Nolan did do an excellent straight-forward crime drama in Insomnia though. So he wasn't that far removed from something like Batman.

I really like Insomnia but it shares pretty much no DNA with Batman Begins. I don't expect Todd Phillips to deliver an Oscar caliber movie all of the sudden but I also don't want to pigeonhole him.

 

[Rorschach2012]

They should really just do the film-maker driven approach. Only do standalones when a film-maker comes to them with a great pitch.

Use Flashpoint to introduce the multiverse, and then just do standalones with occasional crossovers.

I hope they do these three:
Batman Beyond
Kingdom Come
The Dark Knight Returns

This is such a great opportunity

 

[BestGirl]

I'm not one for superhero team ups and I think extended universes did a disservice to Wonder Woman and Captain America's intro movies so the death of the DCEU doesn't bother me much. Affleck was decent in BVS but I didn't care for that particular interpretation of Batman and it seems as though he's been jonesing to leave so he might as well do it.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well, Joker needs to have a sense of humor.

Can't wait for the Mike Tyson cameo

 

[Greens]

The new ScreenJunkies News video about this movie features a pretty heated debate

 

[Predator jp]

The new ScreenJunkies News video about this movie features a pretty heated debate

two guys on the left are so annoying.

 

[Greens]

two guys on the left are so annoying.

I like how Dan Murrell pushes back against them. He gets agitated very quickly and it's hilarious.

 

[Wildcard]

I want a Joker movie and all but an origin movie? First thought in my mind when I saw this trending on Twitter last night was "WHY?!?!" This makes me instantly think of Michael Myers and how his mystique got ruined once they introduced the family angle, satanic cults, etc. The Joker works best when he's a huge mystery wrapped inside of an enigma.

But I'll be patient and wait and see where this goes. Hopefully they switch narratives from an origin story to maybe adapting one of his stories for the big screen like The Man Who Laughs.

 

[JtheDreamer]

This kind of thing reminds me of announcements you'd see in "Entourage".

 

[JtheDreamer]

I want a Joker movie and all but an origin movie? First thought in my mind when I saw this trending on Twitter last night was "WHY?!?!" This makes me instantly think of Michael Myers and how his mystique got ruined once they introduced the family angle, satanic cults, etc. The Joker works best when he's a huge mystery wrapped inside of an enigma.

But I'll be patient and wait and see where this goes. Hopefully they switch narratives from an origin story to maybe adapting one of his stories for the big screen like The Man Who Laughs.

Can't make these legendary villains into sympathetic figures. It's entirely duplicitous and ruins the villainous appeal later on.

 

[Greens]

This kind of thing reminds me of announcements you'd see in "Entourage".

I love it. Anything is possible.

 

[Jekecy]

I want a Joker movie and all but an origin movie? First thought in my mind when I saw this trending on Twitter last night was "WHY?!?!" This makes me instantly think of Michael Myers and how his mystique got ruined once they introduced the family angle, satanic cults, etc. The Joker works best when he's a huge mystery wrapped inside of an enigma.

Maybe someone can explain to me what the logical throughline is between the umbrella term “origin” and “the mystique is ruined if they show us ______”. I’m baffled at how the two are equated, it’s completely inane logic.

It’s even more baffling considering the most acclaimed and touted “definitive” Joker story is literally an origin story. Did that ruin the mystique of Joker? Or did it raise more questions?

We’re living in an age of rapid fire hysterical judgments, ya’ll need to slow down.

 

[Frodo]

I don't know if he's gonna be sympathetic. My guess is that it won't be a sympathetic portrayal at all.

If you've seen films like Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Casino, and the Avatar , the lead character often isn't suppose to be sympathetic , but you get inside their head and see the world through their eyes.

I actually don't mind the idea of this Joker having an origin. He used to have one in the comics, and he had one in B89, so the idea of him having one in a film isn't as radical as fans make it out to be.

Given that this is gonna be its own thing set in the 80s anyway , I really don't what the big issue for this version of the character in this film, other than to be consistent with the current comics and other versions of the character for the sake of being it being like every other version.

 

[Greens]

Maybe someone can explain to me what the logical throughline is between the umbrella term “origin” and “the mystique is ruined if they show us ______”. I’m baffled at how the two are equated, it’s completely inane logic.

It’s even more baffling considering the most acclaimed and touted “definitive” Joker story is literally an origin story. Did that ruin the mystique of Joker? Or did it raise more questions?

We’re living in an age of rapid fire hysterical judgments, ya’ll need to slow down.

People are projecting their expectations onto a film that doesn't exist yet.

Christopher Nolan deliberately kept Heath's Joker a mystery and worked that mystery into the plot.

Tim Burton decided to show Jack's origin and worked it into the plot. Was Jack's Joker any less interesting because we saw him fall into the vat of chemicals? I thought it was really neat to see how this plain looking gangster turned into this raving lunatic with a huge smile on his face.

It's all in the execution. I think it's lame to **** on this movie before we have any idea what the origin will even be.