The Kennedy Thread

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Or maybe something simplier. Like when he was giving the speech, under what conditions, to whom, what the overall theme of the article/speech/interview was. Perhaps, at least on these FDR ones, consider the fact that FDR is talking about financial centers being the President who got us out of the great depression.

beautiful non-answer.

 

[jaguarr]

Wait...is blackcobra the new SumOfGod?

jag

 

[blackcobra]

Wait...is blackcobra the new SumOfGod?

jag

probably

 

[ShadowBoxing]

probably

Is that a yes, or do you just know who that is?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

blackcobra comes off as a novice.
Could TSOG bear to go over these tired, elementary, Conspiracy 101 "supports"?
I do not think so.

 

[jaguarr]

blackcobra comes off as a novice.
Could TSOG bear to go over these tired, elementary, Conspiracy 101 "supports"?
I do not think so.

TheSonOfTheSumOfGod

jag

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

The irony is, Wilhelm, I knew Christians, evangelicals, who used to gingerly write down Biblical quotes said by pastors...and I always thought how funny it was that they didn't know what they meant. You are a mirror image of them, just on the otherside.

No, kid. You sO desperately want to believe that I'm that way, but I'm not.

For instance, the W.W. quote is obviously in reference to the fact that he passed the Federal Reserve Act which provided for a privately owned central bank, disguised as the Federal Reserve System, to not only issue the currency but to charge interest against that currency.

Again, the DESPERATE need to dismiss ALL notions of "conspiracy" should be suspect.
It isn't all Reptilians from the 4th dimension having babies with Elvis in Lemuria.

I have BEEN, PRIVY to, conspiracies, against co-workers...and if the victim had suggested that it was what it WAS, no one would believe him...either a paranoid idiot, or a lame attempt at shifting blame.

But the fact was, I knew the people that CONSPIRED to frame the guy and get him fired, for no other reason than, they didn't like him.



Now these people were managers at a movie theater. If someone has the relatively insignificant "power" of a theater manager, and uses it just to get rid of someone he dislikes, is it not effing POSSIBLE, that when we're talking about TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and literally the HIGHEST possible seats of human power, that some people in these lofty positions might have secretive plans to arrive at ends with which we wouldn't be pleased?

ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that people who HAVE been in these lofty positions have CONFIRMED that it goes on?!?!?

 

[R0rschach]

TheSonOfTheSumOfGod

jag

LOL


As for the quotes Wilhelm posted.
They really do speak for themselves.
I'm not that big on conspiracies but I have always found the
shadow government/secret society rule, very plausible.
Think of it as simply as you can.
You are on top one of the most powerfull industries in the world,
be it auto, tobacco, tech, pharmaceutical ect ect.
On the human "foodchain" you are with a few peers ontop and you had to fight all your life to get there, pulling every dirty trick in the environment you now seem to own. Would you not join those peers and hold the strings that only you few can hold?
Afterall this is a material world, he who owns most has most to say.

 

[R0rschach]

No, kid. You sO desperately want to believe that I'm that way, but I'm not.

For instance, the W.W. quote is obviously in reference to the fact that he passed the Federal Reserve Act which provided for a privately owned central bank, disguised as the Federal Reserve System, to not only issue the currency but to charge interest against that currency.

Again, the DESPERATE need to dismiss ALL notions of "conspiracy" should be suspect.
It isn't all Reptilians from the 4th dimension having babies with Elvis in Lemuria.

I have BEEN, PRIVY to, conspiracies, against co-workers...and if the victim had suggested that it was what it WAS, no one would believe him...either a paranoid idiot, or a lame attempt at shifting blame.

But the fact was, I knew the people that CONSPIRED to frame the guy and get him fired, for no other reason than, they didn't like him.



Now these people were managers at a movie theater. If someone has the relatively insignificant "power" of a theater manager, and uses it just to get rid of someone he dislikes, is it not effing POSSIBLE, that when we're talking about TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and literally the HIGHEST possible seats of human power, that some people in these lofty positions might have secretive plans to arrive at ends with which we wouldn't be pleased?

ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that people who HAVE been in these lofty positions have CONFIRMED that it goes on?!?!?

Good points, Wilhelm.
It is indeed plain to see, it's all human nature.
Nothing about it is illogical.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

No, kid. You sO desperately want to believe that I'm that way, but I'm not.

Touchy, touchy. No you're just like them, every bit. You even have the "I feel the need to right every wrong" complex they have. You also post in a "loud" and abnoxious manner to draw attention to yourself. It's cute, but it gets old fast.

For instance, the W.W. quote is obviously in reference to the fact that he passed the Federal Reserve Act which provided for a privately owned central bank, disguised as the Federal Reserve System, to not only issue the currency but to charge interest against that currency.

Correct. So there is your answer to that quote. Woodrow Wilson outlining a regretful decision. It's not the first time it's happened I assure you. However that didn't, in any way, support your thesis: that he was a conspiracy nut.

Again, the DESPERATE need to dismiss ALL notions of "conspiracy" should be suspect.
It isn't all Reptilians from the 4th dimension having babies with Elvis in Lemuria.

I don't dismiss all conspiracies. I think there is something fishy about how JFK died. Mena and the ICA are factual events. Then of course Lincoln was assassinated by a sub-Government that wanted him dead. I also believe, and with good evidence, that this is a "top-down" system, where Elites are necessary in mobilizing the people, not the other way around. What I don't buy, time and again, is that there is some cabal, some illumanti, some Ridley Scott-esque room of cigar smoking men, some unseen hand guilding all events from the dawn of time, or the dawn of Government. I believe that conspiracy comes out of the childish need to set up a big bad, and the false assumption that humans can control that much.

I have BEEN, PRIVY to, conspiracies, against co-workers...and if the victim had suggested that it was what it WAS, no one would believe him...either a paranoid idiot, or a lame attempt at shifting blame.

But the fact was, I knew the people that CONSPIRED to frame the guy and get him fired, for no other reason than, they didn't like him.

Okay, great, that happen. But you're taking a very small an isolated incident and making into something much more...ya'know like a giant leap of faith.

Now these people were managers at a movie theater. If someone has the relatively insignificant "power" of a theater manager, and uses it just to get rid of someone he dislikes, is it not effing POSSIBLE, that when we're talking about TRILLIONS and TRILLIONS of dollars, and literally the HIGHEST possible seats of human power, that some people in these lofty positions might have secretive plans to arrive at ends with which we wouldn't be pleased?

ESPECIALLY in light of the fact that people who HAVE been in these lofty positions have CONFIRMED that it goes on?!?!?

You need a street corner and an "end is near sign" Wilhelm.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Good points, Wilhelm.
It is indeed plain to see, it's all human nature.
Nothing about it is illogical.

I know...human nature...makes all the sense in the world.


I'm often reminded of my Christianity debates, when I mention something bizarre from the Bible, and the "Christian" hasn't READ the Bible, so they don't believe something so outlandish could really be IN there.

For instance, you aren't hearing anything about how on November 2nd, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin announced that the Commission would hold the sixth and final public hearing on media consolidation November 9th here in Seattle and how the Commissioners Michael Copps and Jonathan Adelstein were outraged by his decision to give the public only five business days notice before the hearing and said, "With such short notice, many people will be shut out ... This is outrageous and not how important media policy should be made."...on NBS, ABC, CBS, CNN or FOX.


But Bill Moyers has been following it and it is CREEPY!
Hundreds of people pointing out that he shouldn't, CAN'T go ahead with his plans to allow the media to be controlled by a few.
The public, officials....it's practically god damned unanimous that they shouldn't go ahead with their plans.

And when you see the guy's response, he just sits there like a scared little boy, afraid to admit that he did indeed eat the last cookie.

They say, "You see that this is dishonest and not in the best interests of the people?"
And he goes, ".............um.............I see that, yes."
And they go, "So, will you put this all on hold so we can look further into it?"
And he goes, ".............um...........no, we're going to go ahead with it."


CHILLING.
He is FURTHERING, an UNSPOKEN...AGENDA, and you'd have to be a fool not to see it.

But you mention this stuff to the uninformed cows, and they're all, "durrrh...Be quiet! Survivor's on."






And, I have seen the footage of BILL CLINTON officially apologizing for the fact that the C.I.A. killed a guy by giving him a huge dose of pure LSD without his knowledge...to announce the payment of "reparations" to his surviving family.

But, you suggest that the C.I.A. was involved in anything so nefarious, and most people just go, ""



It's madness.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Touchy, touchy. No you're just like them, every bit. You even have the "I feel the need to right every wrong" complex they have. You also post in a "loud" and abnoxious manner to draw attention to yourself. It's cute, but it gets old fast.

Bull****.
You likened me to someone who writes down little snippets without understanding them.
I don't bring up things I don't understand.
That's, in fact, why I only have a narrow range of bailiwicks here.
I don't know WHERE you get the idea that I have the need to right every wrong. I will not be joining blind_fury in Darfur, nor am I charitable to the smelly hobos outside, even when they're Viet Nam vets or mentally ill.
Typing some words in capital letters, or making them bold, for emphasis, does not mean I am like a person that blindly latches on to snippets of info without an idea of their true meanings.
That's ridiculous.

Correct. So there is your answer to that quote. Woodrow Wilson outlining a regretful decision. It's not the first time it's happened I assure you. However that didn't, in any way, support your thesis: that he was a conspiracy nut.

I never once said he was a conspiracy nut.

This:
The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.

and This:
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.

...are clearly talking about conspiracy.
Why would a Democrat who attained office under the guise of never allowing a central bank-related piece of legislation to pass while president, do just that, and then feel bad about it?
When we do things we don't like, there's a reason.
If you watch the last third of the "Zeitgeist" movie, maybe you can get educated about it.

I don't dismiss all conspiracies. I think there is something fishy about how JFK died. Mena and the ICA are factual events. Then of course Lincoln was assassinated by a sub-Government that wanted him dead. I also believe, and with good evidence, that this is a "top-down" system, where Elites are necessary in mobilizing the people, not the other way around.

Well that's great.

What I don't buy, time and again, is that there is some cabal, some illumanti, some Ridley Scott-esque room of cigar smoking men, some unseen hand guilding all events from the dawn of time, or the dawn of Government.

Great. I'm not pushing that idea.

I believe that conspiracy comes out of the childish need to set up a big bad, and the false assumption that humans can control that much.

Baloney. Conspiracy comes out of 2 or more people's desire to attain a goal secretly.

Okay, great, that happen. But you're taking a very small an isolated incident and making into something much more...ya'know like a giant leap of faith.

So theater managers secretly abuse their power, but Enron, the C.I.A., Richard Nixon,...none of these types would be as unscrupulous as a theater manager.
Dude...

You need a street corner and an "end is near sign" Wilhelm.

No, I don't, because I don't believe the End is near and I have no respect for people who do.
What an absurd thing to say.
Quite beneath you.

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

Let me guess...Gozer worshipers.

you should hear about the twinkie

 

[chamber-music]

Wait...is blackcobra the new SumOfGod?

jag

probably

Is that a yes, or do you just know who that is?

He won't confirm or deny. Its a Conspiracy

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

...that E. Howard Hunt confessed on his death bed that...

Cord Meyer
Frank Sturgis
David Sanchez Morales
David Atlee Phillips

were involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, at the behest of Lyndon B. Johnson...

...and that his statements about LBJ's "almost maniacal urge to become President" line up perfectly with the fact that LBJ's former lover said that he told her,
"After tomorrow, those goddamn Kennedys will never embarrass me again -- that's NOT a threat -- that's a promise."...

...which both make sense in light of the fact that Kennedy's secretary said that the day President Kennedy left for Dallas, they talked about LBJ's role in the Bobby Baker scandal, and how he could destroy the campaign, and how he was going to try to find a running mate for the next campaign, but that it would definitely not be LBJ...

...and how, if JFK wouldn't've been killed, it's almost certain that Johnson would have been forced from office and indicted in the Bobby Baker case?






And this isn't a Matt-type question, where I'm not really asking a question, but actually trying to make a statement.

Do people know about this and disbelieve it, and if so, could you tell me why because I can't find any discreditors.

Or are they so jaded with "Crackpot JFK Conspiracy Gobbledy-Gook" that they never bothered to listen to E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession?

Or do most people just not care that LBJ had JFK murdered to take the presidency, since people have been assassinating leaders to take their power since the dawn of civilization?



I'm also interested in why the guy's deathbed confession that he faked the Loch Ness Monster pictures is considered to be iron-clad proof that the story is bull****, by naysayers, but a deathbed confession about killing JFK is ignored.



What makes more sense?
...that an innocent guy would be about to die and then take the time in his last few hours on Earth, to completely fabricate a wild story about being an accomplice to murder, naming other men, shocking and torturing his family with his last breath, for absolutely no reason...


Or...that a guilty guy would be about to die and be so afraid that he was going to Hell for his crimes, or be so happy to finally tell the secret he kept for his whole life, since the people who would retaliate couldn't hurt him anymore, that he would finally tell the truth now that nothing in life matters anymore?


Think about it.
You're dying...this is it.
You look up at your beloved wife...and your eldest son, knowing that you'll never see them again....and you start making up a lie about how awful you were (when you really weren't), exposing the fact that you'd lied to them for your whole lives together...for NO reason???

 

[Erzengel]

I've never heard about this Wilhelm. Can you post some links that back up some of it?

 

[The Lizard]

I've never heard about this Wilhelm. Can you post some links that back up some of it?

Here's a few:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt/print

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407deathbedconfession.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Howard_Hunt

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13893143/the_last_confessions_of_e_howard_hunt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._How...estament_regarding_the_JFK_assassination_plot
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/jfk_hunt_confessed_cia_murdered_jfk.htm
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=126&a=1565
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[NHawk19]

This is the first I've heard of it.

Also it happened so long ago that it may not have that great an impact on most people

 

[Harlekin]

Same here. First I've heard of it.

 

[Gerald Root]

Was it really easier to believe Oswalt did it alone in the first place? That would have been the bigger surprise to me. The problem with conspiracy theories is that for every one that is credible, there are 50 more that are ridiculous, so people tend to just disregard all of them. When they hear about another JFK assassination theory, they just roll their eyes and ,yeah, just don't care to hear about it.

I personally haven't heard about Hunt's confession, but even not knowing that I was certain that the government had a hand in it, at the very least it wasn't just one guy, Oswalt, who decided to kill the President.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Seems weird that I've seen countless shows about E. Howard Hunt's role in Watergate, and read countless articles and books about it...but now he names the real assassins of JFK, and it's not huge news.

Literally, the guy who confessed that he faked the Loch Ness Monster photo was a bigger news story. You'd think, even if they thought it was bull****, they'd still mention it everywhere.
I just read a New York Times article about EHH dying. It was a complete overview of his whole career, but no mention of his confession.



So, I think, "Well, the story must be bologna."
But it's not. It was exposed by his own son, and his son has not made a penny off of it, knocking out the possibility that he's lying to make a fortune...which would be weird anyway, that his dad would say, "Son, I love ya, so, here's what we'll do...I'll make up a shocking lie....uh..say, that I was involved with the people who actually killed Kennedy?
And then, you can release the tape of me confessing...and...somehow, make a fortune after that, with, a book or something. Meanwhile, I'll implicate some other dudes, because I never liked 'em."


Wiki does say:

This is only a portion of the tape, and Saint John Hunt states that his father provided more specific information related to the assassination during this and other sessions. These other sessions, however, were not taped, and the totality of this particular audio tape has yet to be aired or publicly disclosed.

So...I guess, the tape release could be promotional ploy, to get you interested in the other "more specific information", so you'd buy a yet to be published book.
Still sounds...not like something a father and son would be doing with their last hours together...and like, if that was what was going on, wouldn't anyone with a third of a brain, instead, have a press conference saying, "MY DAD CONFESSED TO KNOWING WHO KILLED KENNEDY!!!......buy my book coming out in May to find out who did it!"

 

[kane9321]

Whoa..shyte

 

[rdh007]

Because people are sick of hearing that aliens killed Kennedy while LBJ was negotiating with Sasquatch to head the CIA's operations against Bobby after they were done with JFK.

I am not one of those people.

 

[Starbird]

Wow...that's random, yet, very interesting.