The Kennedy Thread

[kang]

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Well the bullet would have to stop in mid air and change paths in mid flight and do all these crazy scenarios that are plain absurd,hence thats why its called the magic bullet.

I was asking Wobbly.

 

[Mr Parker]

Originally posted by wobbly
MJZ, 'spin' as you put it, is used by both sides of the fence to suit their arguments and always has been. I could argue you spun your inteperatation of that info to make Oswald sound like a great shot after all. Fact is, in all the accounts from experts that I've seen or read on the matter over the years, the majority felt Oswald was not up to the task, often citing those marine records as a basis for that reasoning, and none of the few who did claim he could make the shot had anything to back up their assertion.

But if a genuine and accurate re-enactment has indeed been done that supports the possibility for Oswald being able to perform the shot (I haven't seen one as yet, and this 'Jennings' special hasn't been shown yet in the Uk afaik) and it's been verified by independent experts, then I've got no problems at all conceding that point.
Though until I do see that for myslef I'm still inclined to side with those feel it was beyond him.

And all this of course has sidetracked from and does nothing to address my earlier post that an objective analysis of the physical evidence (film footage, wounds on kennedy and Connolly) discounts the possibility of a lone gunman anyway.

Whether Oswald had the abililty to hit the target or not does not detract from the fact that physical evidence proves the lone gunman theory is impossible.

Exactly.The majority of the experts didnt feel he was up to the task to pull it off based on his marine records.and no,the Peter Jennings re-enactment wasnt at all accurate.Like you said,just like the 1993 PBS frontline special used computer imagery to try and proove it instead of using actual photographs,this special did the same exact thing,so no, an accurate re-enactment wasnt done.Like you said,the physical evidence and the film footage discounts the lone gunman theory.

Like you said,physical evidence proves the lone gunman theory is impossible.

 

[kang]

Originally posted by Mr Parker
Exactly.The majority of the experts didnt feel he was up to the task to pull it off based on his marine records.and no,the Peter Jennings re-enactment didnt wasnt at all accurate.Like you said,just like the 1993 PBS frontline special used computer imagery to try and proove it instead of using actual photographs,this special did the same exact thing,so no an accurate re-enactment wasnt done.Like you said,the physical evidence and the film footage discounts the lone gunman theory.

Like you said,physical evidence proves the lone gunman theory is impossible.

The BBC version used a computer model based entirely on film and photographic evidence. Using this they created a scale model of the area, car, president and passengers. The models moved exactly as they did on film, when playing out the scenario it showed that a bullet could be fired from the 6th floor through the 2 people in the car.

 

[Mr Parker]

Originally posted by kang
The BBC version used a computer model based entirely on film and photographic evidence. Using this they created a scale model of the area, car, president and passengers. The models moved exactly as they did on film, when playing out the scenario it showed that a bullet could be fired from the 6th floor through the 2 people in the car.

Yeah but the zapruder film shows that Connolly is still holding on to his stetson hat when the bullet strikes Kennedy in the back which is imposible to do since the wrist was shattered by the same bullet at the same time.Like I mentioned earlier,there have been witnesses I have spoken to over the years that said they saw a 2nd gunman behind the knoll which the warren commission totally ignored the testimony of.

 

[wobbly]

Originally posted by kang
Sorry, what makes the "lone gunman theory" impossible?

Physical evidence from the assasination; the records detailing the wounds to Kennedy and Governer Connolly, and the Zapruder film footage that captured both hits on JFK.

The records show that the 'magic bullet' (Officially recorded as the second shot, the first having missed the car completely) entered kennedy's back at a downward angle, turned upwards to exit via his throat, then down again to hit connolly, finally stopping with hitting and shattering the bones in Connolly's wrist. This bullet, having allegedly blasted its way through the bone and cartillidge of 2 bodies, was later found in near perfect condition.

For the computer models to make this possible in the TV show I saw a while back, they had to take liberties with accepted facts and play with angles, positions etc, to make it all work, even when the positions they came up with were at odds with what could be seen on the film. In effect they fiddled with the data to find a desired outcome, rather than let the data speak for itself. Such evidence acquired in such manner would never stand up in a reputable court of law.

But even when you get a computer to find a way for the bullet to work, as Mr Parker has stated, the Zapruder film shows that after JFK was hit with this remarkable bullet, Connolly was still holding his Stetson hat in his right hand, even though the official account states a bullet had just passed through his shoulder and shattered the wrist bones of that hand.

But lastly and what serves as proof against a lone gunman on its own to me, is the final and fatal shot. To me there's no doubt it clearly shows JFK's head jerk backwards, with a spray of blood and brain matter blown backwards. Its physically impossible for that to happen from a shot from behind no matter what some 'scientist' the latest show might dig up to try and convince anyone otherwise.
All accepted theory and practice points soley to a shot from the front to account for what was captured in that moment, that means there was a second shooter, that means the lone gunman theory is impossible.

 

[Johnichi Chiba]

I believe there is a conspiracy because of the large amount of witnesses that were discredited by the Warren Commission, including Abraham(sp?) Zapruder.

 

[Magneto29]

"The Men Who Kiled Kennedy" specials on the History Channel were very good. One of them had a guy who did this whole investigation about some french guy who was asked to kill Kennedy but declined. He ended up telling about the three gun-man, one behind the fence. He was also proven by another guy, who paided the gunman by exchanging their drugs, ( the payment for the killing) into cash.

 

[Mr Parker]

Originally posted by Super_Surfer
I believe there is a conspiracy because of the large amount of witnesses that were discredited by the Warren Commission, including Abraham(sp?) Zapruder.

yeah they completely ignored witnesses who said they saw a shooter behind the picket fence,all the witnesses who had information that did not fit their version were all ignored.

 

[Mr Parker]

Originally posted by Magneto29
"The Men Who Kiled Kennedy" specials on the History Channel were very good. One of them had a guy who did this whole investigation about some french guy who was asked to kill Kennedy but declined. He ended up telling about the three gun-man, one behind the fence. He was also proven by another guy, who paided the gunman by exchanging their drugs, ( the payment for the killing) into cash.

thats a very good documentary series.

 

[Maurice]

Sorry, what makes the "lone gunman theory" impossible?

The lone gunman theory is impossible because it relies on the "magic bullet". This single shot could not have caused all the injuries to JFK and Gov. Connally that the Warren Commission says it did. Commission Exhibit 399 (the magic bullet) is not missing enough material to have passed through JFK and Connally. Till the day he died (June 15th 1993), John Connally had more bullet fragments left in his wrist and leg than were missing from CE 399. This is also not counting the fragments that were removed from Connally at Parkland Hospital on November 22nd 1963. The fragments left in Connally alone would have weighed more than what is missing from CE 399. How could a bullet shed more grains of metal from itself than what is missing from it? Simple, it can't. CE 399 (the magic bullet) wasn't even removed from Connally. It was found on some random gurney at Parkland. CE 399 is not missing enough grains of metal to have passed through JFK and Connally. If there is no magic bullet, The Warren Commission's case crumbles.

 

[JLBats]

The lone gunman theory is impossible because it relies on the "magic bullet". This single shot could not have caused all the injuries to JFK and Gov. Connally that the Warren Commission says it did. Commission Exhibit 399 (the magic bullet) is not missing enough material to have passed through JFK and Connally. Till the day he died (June 15th 1993), John Connally had more bullet fragments left in his wrist and leg than were missing from CE 399. This is also not counting the fragments that were removed from Connally at Parkland Hospital on November 22nd 1963. The fragments left in Connally alone would have weighed more than what is missing from CE 399. How could a bullet shed more grains of metal from itself than what is missing from it? Simple, it can't. CE 399 (the magic bullet) wasn't even removed from Connally. It was found on some random gurney at Parkland. CE 399 is not missing enough grains of metal to have passed through JFK and Connally. If there is no magic bullet, The Warren Commission's case crumbles.

Why?

WHY?

Why did you bump this...?

 

[Maurice]

Why?

WHY?

Why did you bump this...?

Sorry, I didn't realize this thread was so old. I had done a Yahoo searh and this popped up. I just hate how people don't challenge the magic bullet theory.

 

[JLBats]

Oh well.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

If you think you're going to suck me into this, think thrice.

 

[Super Flight]

yup...the mobsters killed him, i think Al Pacino helped

 

[Motown Marvel]

in the film JFK, stone presents a lot of damning evidence that pretty much makes the lone gunman theory impossible....but as we all know, most of all that was fabricated for the film. so im wondering, in regards to strong evidence against the lone gunman theory, what did stone get right?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

The JFK conspiracy is bull****.

 

[boywonder13]

IN the Men who Killed Kenneday there was this thing about this guy who actually saw a gunman and he cried taht he did not stop him.

He actually has a picture showing a shot from a gun but its so screwed up though, its all black except from the gun shot.

 

[Motown Marvel]

yeah, that 'men who killed kennedy' documentary is absolutely fantastic!

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

whats the governemnt had him assasainated about?

 

[Gonking]

This is so weird:

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.
Now it gets really weird.
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.
Now hang on to your seat.
Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln' made by 'Ford.'
Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse.
Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid in a theater.
Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.
And here's the kicker...
A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe,Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.

 

[The Amazing Lee]

HOLY CRAP!





Now what do I do with this information?

 

[heypapajinx]

bhaha!
yeah. we got a sheet that was called Stranger Than Fiction back in High School that listed all that.
totally bizarro stuff.

 

[Webber]

Somebody from the future went back and had a laugh changing history.

 

[Mee]

I miss SumOfGod.