The Rise of Skywalker The Last Jedi vs The Rise of Skywalker

[Elayis]

I almost think it was worse than using a CGI double. It still would've felt weird and icky but it might've worked on a storytelling level. But the way they had to bend over backwards to make her unremarkable lines work did nothing but harm the overall narrative. So it still seems like Leia's not there because she's not reacting to anything going on.

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It still robs Kylo's arc of any meaningful interaction with his mother, which was key to his redemption.

And in the end it was still CGI anyways since they composited her face on a double for most of the film. The Last Jedi already felt like a denouement to her time in the franchise, I don't know why Abrams and & Lucasfilm were so determined to force her into TRoS to the detriment of the film.

 

[MaceB]

Since TLJ is literally one of the worst Hollywood blockbusters that I can think of, I'd say that I think TRoS is better. TLJ wasn't a story - it was a compilation of cheap gimmicks in order to deceive the viewer and to destroy what came before it. It selfishly resolved the character arcs of the main characters while undoing all the progress of the originals. It did nothing to set up the conflict of the next movie. It's comedy was poor, and the whole thing felt like a tedious bore to get through. Character motivations didn't make sense. It is truly one of the most frustrating blockbusters that I can think of.

TRoS, on the other hand, was entertaining. It showed heroes doing heroic things, and it further developed the universe. It had more tender moments than TLJ. The action was far better than in TLJ. The tone in this movie was much better, because there wasn't a whole lot of forced jokes. The resolution was better. The stakes seemed larger. There was more tension, and the threat seemed more real.

My main problem with the TRoS is that it basically finished what TLJ started by destroying the chosen one prophecy. I think that's a really unfortunate mistake. It didn't explain force ghosts, which I think is way past being necessary. And the resolution is basically no better than the resolution we got in RotJ. But at least it was a resolution. At least character motivations made some kind of sense. At least the characters cohered to their own character attributes. RotS at least showed itself to care somewhat about the source material. TLJ did not do that courtesy, IMO.

 

[Mad Ones]

Magic blood and sacred bloodlines and chosen-one tropes are so boring and icky and I thought Star Wars broke free of that laziness.

 

[Asharad]

I'm sad that we are even having this discussion. SW deserves better than this.

 

[Doc Samson]

TLJ wasn't a story - it was a compilation of cheap gimmicks in order to deceive the viewer and to destroy what came before it. It selfishly resolved the character arcs of the main characters while undoing all the progress of the originals.

So you don't think Palpatine's mere presence doesn't sully Anakin's sacrifice, by extension cheapening or outright nullifying a large part of the OT??? It's pretty similar to me, if not worse...

 

[MahvelBaby!]

TLJ to me is the better made film of the 2. And that will always remain so.

But TROS is really growing on me the more I think about it.

 

[titansupes]

Magic blood and sacred bloodlines and chosen-one tropes are so boring and icky and I thought Star Wars broke free of that laziness.

It's the SKYWALKER SAGA. It's about that specific bloodline, it has been from day one. For Johnson to end that with one movie left was boneheaded. If you want Jedi and other characters who aren't part of that, you've got... Literally everyone other than Vader, Luke and Ben (and to a lesser extent Leia), with a whole bunch of media about those characters.

 

[BatLobster]

I'll say it till I'm blue in the face, I'm a TLJ fan and I am here to tell you there are many of us TLJ fans who never believed the "nobody" thing at all. It seemed pretty clear to me at the time that focusing on the parents was potentially setting up a grandparent reveal. Of course, I was too blinded by my pet theory of her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter to consider Palpatine. Which means they genuinely picked an option that was surprising and meaningful in an interesting way that justified the mystery box approach that I questioned utilizing from the beginning. Because they could've easily just had this trilogy be about Rey and Ben Skywalker, the next generation of Skywalker siblings. No mystery.

I'm still shocked that so many people actually believed it and feared that they would seriously just drop the storyline there. It's the total inverse of Empire where people thought Vader must be lying. This time it was only true "from a certain point of view" and so many people really bought into it. I find it amazing. Like, I'm a TLJ fan, but please do not count me among the outraged people who wanted Rey Random. Like...stop it.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

TLJ easily. Heck, I'd say it in itself was a better end to the Skywalker Saga than TROS.

Luke's redemption in TLJ is by far the most powerful moment in the trilogy.

 

[tanita_mors]

Rise of Skywalker for me. While TLJ has some of the most powerful scenes in SW history (every single Kylo & Rey scene - GOLD), Luke's story line which I loved and the Holdo maneuver, the rest of the movie is a complete waste which I skip on re-watching. ROS is less impressive, but as a whole is more cohesive to me and as such a better movie. To this day I' still don't know how to quantify TLJ because I don't like it at all as a whole.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Rise of Skywalker isn’t a prefect film and suffers from having a lot on it’s plate to course correct from the abomination that Last Jedi caused. As well as tying up elements that were left unresolved from the Force Awakens, plus wrapping up a 40 year saga. However JJ Abrams did his best and I appreciate the nostalgia ride trip of pieces he had put in Rise.

 

[Tony Stark]

I can't even begin to get into debating these two films without bringing up the fact that the main problem with both of them were that the entire sequel trilogy was written on the fly and makes no cohesive sense film to film. As much of an issue as I have with TLJ, I actually liked Kylo killing Snoke, and I liked them showing the connection between Rey and Kylo. I actually think the downfall of Kylo is far better relatable and understandable than what they showed of Anakin's downfall in the prequels where he just comes off as a creepy whiny *****e.

 

[Closerframe]

Despite me hating every scene on Cantonica and the entire idea of Resistance ships slowly trying to get away from First Order star destroyers, TLJ at least felt cohesive. Kylo killing Snoke and facing Luke were emotional scenes while in TROS there wasn't a single moment that had me on the edge of my seat. Also, Achto scenes in TROS were horrible and the Sith fleet was useless.

 

[Tony Stark]

Despite me hating every scene on Cantonica and the entire idea of Resistance ships slowly trying to get away from First Order star destroyers, TLJ at least felt cohesive. Kylo killing Snoke and facing Luke were emotional scenes while in TROS there wasn't a single moment that had me on the edge of my seat. Also, Achto scenes in TROS were horrible and the Sith fleet was useless.

This is how disjointed TROS was, I'm not even sure what planet Achto was. They kept hopping around from planet to planet, it was confusing.

The Sith Fleet was the worst thing in the movie. It reminded me of pirates of the Caribbean at worlds end, where they have this huge Armada of ships on both sided and neither side really does anything.

 

[scarlet-witch]

TLJ by a long shot because it at least tried to be different and had a coherent plot.

 

[Sithborg]

I'll say it till I'm blue in the face, I'm a TLJ fan and I am here to tell you there are many of us TLJ fans who never believed the "nobody" thing at all. It seemed pretty clear to me at the time that focusing on the parents was potentially setting up a grandparent reveal. Of course, I was too blinded by my pet theory of her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter to consider Palpatine. Which means they genuinely picked an option that was surprising and meaningful in an interesting way that justified the mystery box approach that I questioned utilizing from the beginning. Because they could've easily just had this trilogy be about Rey and Ben Skywalker, the next generation of Skywalker siblings. No mystery.

I'm still shocked that so many people actually believed it and feared that they would seriously just drop the storyline there. It's the total inverse of Empire where people thought Vader must be lying. This time it was only true "from a certain point of view" and so many people really bought into it. I find it amazing. Like, I'm a TLJ fan, but please do not count me among the outraged people who wanted Rey Random. Like...stop it.

Of course, I'm not exactly seeing a wide discrepancy between TLJ and what was revealed in ROS.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

You know the fact that it's this close should speak volumes.

 

[Sithborg]

You know the fact that it's this close should speak volumes.

Not really. Mixed reactions from both movies is fine.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Whether you appreciated them or not, TLJ attempted bold ideas with mixed bag results. RoS rehashed old ideas with mixed bag results. I'll take the former over the latter any day of the week.

 

[OrganaSkywalker]

Why choose between these two ?
They were both great movies in their own way. I really loved and enjoyed them both. But since Rise of Skywalker is my all time favorite now. I will choose that movie.

but I must say this....
This fandom is really strange. Everyone is dumping on Disney. But George Lucas sold the rights of Star Wars to them. They tried something new and most of the fandom is *****ing about it. They do similar stuff....the fandom is *****ing about it. So however we look at it for most of the fandom is can not be done right.

I understand people would have loved to see Legends and all be canon. But then they should have started these films decades ago. Mark and Harrison are old and Carrie is not even among us anymore.

for me this sequel trilogy was a beautifull end of the skywalker saga. Yes not everything was great. But to dump all over it is another thing. Overall the movies were well made and cinematically beautifull.

 

[DCW]

Last Jedi pissed me off.

Rise of Skywalker was just stupid.

I guess out of the two of those I'd pick Skywalker.

 

[The Guard]

I'll say it till I'm blue in the face, I'm a TLJ fan and I am here to tell you there are many of us TLJ fans who never believed the "nobody" thing at all. It seemed pretty clear to me at the time that focusing on the parents was potentially setting up a grandparent reveal. Of course, I was too blinded by my pet theory of her being Obi-Wan's granddaughter to consider Palpatine. Which means they genuinely picked an option that was surprising and meaningful in an interesting way that justified the mystery box approach that I questioned utilizing from the beginning. Because they could've easily just had this trilogy be about Rey and Ben Skywalker, the next generation of Skywalker siblings. No mystery.

I assumed it was a red herring at the time. Kylo just sort of casually brings it up, and he's obviously doing it to distract/hurt her and cause her to doubt herself. Nevermind that she DID pretty much still come from nothing.

 

[moviedoors]

The Last Jedi remains my favorite Star Wars film.

 

[spiderman2]

Like both a lot but TROSW is much better. No part of the movie has bad has candobit, Rey, fine, poe being together and better humor.

 

[thangaran]

Although I thought TLJ was mostly crap besides some moments, the one idea about multiple people being gifted with force talents was a great one but executed at the wrong time. It should have come into play at either the end of this trilogy or during a separate true end of skywalker like in a Cade Skywalker film. Personally I would love to see an adaptation of Cade Skywalker