The Last of Us The Last Of Us 2

[OutOfBoose]

It will sell, no doubt about it. Will it be great? Remains to be seen. After all, ND aren't going easy route. Ambitious and risky.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The graphics and gameplay look like it they will be great. Storyline is the only question mark. Before any of this happened though I was already disappointed knowing the multiplayer was not going to be included.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The leaks show that MP is in development. Probably will arrive at later date separately. But it's not my thing. Too stressful and exhausting.

 

[liesse00]

While it still sucks people hacked into ND leaking everything, I'm glad it wasn't a disgruntled employee out for revenge. That would have been incredibly low on their part.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Last of Us Part II is gone gold. Message from Druckmann:



So freaking excited.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The leaks show that MP is in development. Probably will arrive at later date separately. But it's not my thing. Too stressful and exhausting.

I know it's in development and will arrive at a later date separately, that's what was disappointing to me. The fact that it won't release simultaneously with the single player.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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To hard to spoiler tag apparently, so I am leaving it blank.

The structure of this game makes no sense.

It's not going to work imo. There is easy and obvious way to make this same-ish game that doesn't piss people off with one basic spoiler.

It's up to people, of course, if they decide to skip the game, it's certainly not my business... But I don't blame Sony for trying to protect their work any way they can. It's not like they're trying to scam people. Out of context spoilers are destructive and can harm natural flow of the story, not to mention, promotion and sales. I doubt it will be the case for The Last of Us Part II because it's still a hotly anticipated release. But I can't take any dramatic reactions seriously at the moment.

I blame them for deceptive marketing practices to sell $200 versions of this game and for illegally trying to copyright strike videos, which is hurting people on YT who make their living their.

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You mean like the did for the first game when they said only Joel will be playable? Druckmann even commented that they lied about it on purpose to preserve the impact of the moment. Plus part 2 is like 2 or 3 times bigger than the original and seems to be sort of two games/stories in one.

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There is an obvious and fundamental difference between playing a section of a game as another character, and playing half the game as a another character, who has never even been marketed. This makes Raiden on Big Shell look like a picnic.

The first game is roughly a 12-16 hour experience (I never beat it in under 15 hours and I beat it at least 6 times). This one is 20-25 hour experience according to ND.

Not all fans. I'm a fan too. And I see a huge potential in the game.

I didn't say all fans. There is a crap storm on the internet for a reason over this, and it isn't contained to bigots.

And regarding GoT, I personally thought GoT sucked starting season 6. After Littlefinger I knew we're in for a wild ride. It wasn't related to missing context, though. I just knew that writers of GoT can't do **** without GRRM's material. And they already missed a chance to start building towards a more or less fleshed out ending. I didn't anticipate season 8 to be that ******ed, but I knew it will be bad long before. Even season 7 was a great indication.
But I don't see any similarity with Part II. And certain confirmed events are traumatic, but I can see artistic intent behind it. I don't consider it empty misery porn.

What does this have to do with the point I made? Whatever you personally thought of any season, I am talking about the general perception of the show. And for all the issues people had with the season's before the last, the final season was the most hyped television event maybe ever. People were excited for it. When people started reading the spoilers, that stopped being the case for the majority who read them. GoT is going down in history as the show that blew it's final season for a reason.

And now some people are ready to throw it all without even having an objective view at it, because the game dares... Well, OK. I disagree and I'm still looking forward to the game. It's hard to argue about it while not having the full picture. If you already has decided you're definitely skipping it (TO SAVE YOURSELF $60!!!), there's nothing to talk about.

There is no such thing as an objective view. Sony is not selling this game on an objective view. This is all subjective. More over, if it is "objectively" brilliant, there would be no issue now. But much like when TLJ spoilers started getting out, there is a reason people are upset already.

People play and purchase games to have fun. To enjoy the experience.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It will sell, no doubt about it. Will it be great? Remains to be seen. After all, ND aren't going easy route. Ambitious and risky.

Subversion of why people love something is never ambitious or risky imo. It is just the destruction of why people liked it in the first place. God of War was amibitious and subversive. But it also wasn't risky. Why? Because while it did subvert aspects of the original games and grow the series up, it never crapped on the core of why people loved Kratos and the games in the first place. It also never forgot that it was a game to be played and to be fun, nor was it sold super deceptively.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The structure of this game makes no sense.

Of course. We know very little about it.

It's not going to work imo. There is easy and obvious way to make this same-ish game that doesn't piss people off with one basic spoiler.

I'm not interested in easy and obvious. There's plenty of that on the market.

I blame them for deceptive marketing practices to sell $200 versions of this game and for illegally trying to copyright strike videos, which is hurting people on YT who make their living their.

What deceptive marketing practices?

Spoiler

There is an obvious and fundamental difference between playing a section of a game as another character, and playing half the game as a another character, who has never even been marketed. This makes Raiden on Big Shell look like a picnic.

There's no difference. It's not a question of objective quality. They don't owe anyone explaining how much hours what character has. It's simply a question of staying spoiler-free and having fresh experience. People are free to hold onto their purchases and wait for more detailed info if they want.

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If Abby splits time with Ellie (concurrent narratives), the comparison is still not in favor of Raiden. Besides, Abby was shown literally in the second trailer. Even before we had a good look at Joel.

The first game is roughly a 12-16 hour experience (I never beat it in under 15 hours and I beat it at least 6 times). This one is 20-25 hour experience according to ND.

I don't remember seeing any kind of confirmation about the length. Only that it's the biggest and the most massive ND game. Considering the leaks, I'd be more generous with the time. Though it's only speculation.

I didn't say all fans. There is a crap storm on the internet for a reason over this, and it isn't contained to bigots.

More like click-bait storm.

What does this have to do with the point I made? Whatever you personally thought of any season, I am talking about the general perception of the show. And for all the issues people had with the season's before the last, the final season was the most hyped television event maybe ever. People were excited for it. When people started reading the spoilers, that stopped being the case for the majority who read them. GoT is going down in history as the show that blew it's final season for a reason.

I'm saying GoT later seasons and TLOU2 situations are incomparable. In one case it's a show with hack writers without good material to adapt, in the second case 5 years of development by people who most of the time know what they do. Standard setters. Top studio. Hype has zero to do with anything. ND isn't infallible, but they deserve much more benefit of the doubt than anything in GoT post season 5. Ever.

There is no such thing as an objective view. Sony is not selling this game on an objective view. This is all subjective. More over, if it is "objectively" brilliant, there would be no issue now. But much like when TLJ spoilers started getting out, there is a reason people are upset already.

I'm talking full picture. Having full understanding of the story and overall experience.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Subversion of why people love something is never ambitious or risky imo. It is just the destruction of why people liked it in the first place. God of War was amibitious and subversive. But it also wasn't risky. Why? Because while it did subvert aspects of the original games and grow the series up, it never crapped on the core of why people loved Kratos and the games in the first place. It also never forgot that it was a game to be played and to be fun, nor was it sold super deceptively.

It's ambitious because it tries new things that I'm not sure anyone did before. I certainly didn't experience anything like that. It's also not some cheap experiment. It's an event game. And It's risky because there's high chance people will dislike it because it dares to go it's own way and that execute it well will be hard.

And you example is meaningless to me. I didn't like the new God of War. It's subversion of pretending to be The Last of Us wasn't interesting. This is not why I liked previous games. It's just not my thing. Though I didn't try to organize online riots against Barlog who "ruined" my childhood or accuse him of "****ty writing". Sure, people in general got the new GoW, played it, liked it, ranked it highly and so on. But it just looks like subversion is good as long as I like it. But I say let's wait and look at the full picture. Knowing that T-800 is a good guy now, John Connor is a brat and Sarah is in psych ward isn't enough to judge the whole thing, imo.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I never played the original game (indeed, I don't even own a PS4), but I've been following the game's recent developments, mostly as I've been thinking of getting a PS4.

I think it sucks that the leaks have more or less made up people's minds for them. It takes away any sense of context or nuance. Worse, I'm seeing people hail the leaker as a hero for ruining what they're apparently supposed to agree is a bad game. How about letting the gamer make up their own mind, instead of spoiling it, while framing it as "SJWs have ruined the game with their agenda and SJW garbage!"? Which is how almost every youtuber has framed this development.

 

[jmc]

How dare they try to protect their property and people who don't want to get spoiled.

They don’t have the right to stop people from talking about it.

 

[OutOfBoose]

They don’t have the right to stop people from talking about it.

Maybe it's done by mistake. I'm seeing plenty of videos where they talk about spoilers and they aren't deleted. Their primary goal seems to be deleting actual leaks.

 

[Bobber]

Man, I should really stop reading this thread, if I want to avoid spoilers.
No one's posting any actual spoilers, but since everyone in here seems to have read them, they forget how little actually needs to be said, to reveal something.

 

[jmc]

Maybe it's done by mistake. I'm seeing plenty of videos where they talk about spoilers and they aren't deleted. Their primary goal seems to be deleting actual leaks.

I'm sure that's what it is, and don't have an issue with them pursing people who are posting the videos or gameplay, but there is an issue when it comes to censorship even if it's accidental. The leak, whether through their own lax security, disgruntled employee, or whatever excuse they want to hide behind, is their problem. If they are silencing people, even if it's unintentional, then they are abusing copyright laws. There's enough bull **** people online have to deal with when it comes to big corporations, taking away people's right to express themselves for the company's own screw ups is a bad path to be walking down.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Still, mistake isn't equal to intent. Not convinced painting Sony as a villain or crusading against it is justified.

 

[Gee]

 

[OutOfBoose]

People will probably gang the new trailer too.

Something tells me it's gonna be a Joel-focused trailer. He's the only major character that was barely mentioned in previous promo materials.

 

[Superhero 101]

Haven’t read any spoilers trying to stay away as clear as possible but I am excited for this game

 

[OutOfBoose]

 

[OutOfBoose]

 

[Gothamsknight]

My god this looks incredible. Yep, still grabbing this.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah, looks so ****ing good.

 

[Superhero 101]

So dark....I love it!

 

[OutOfBoose]

Watch the new The Last of Us Part II story trailer

More from Neil. Says they'll be showing more stuff.