The Libertarian Thread

[CorpusBlack]

Curious: what's the Libertarian stance on immigration?

According to Wiki, so take that for what it's worth. Someone with a bit more knowledge on here can probably elaborate more.

"Libertarians of the Natural Law variety generally support freedom of movement, but other libertarians argue that open borders amount to legalized trespassing. The debate often centers on self-ownership of bodies and whether we have the freedom to hire anyone without the federal government's permission. Other times, the debate centers on immigrants abusing tax-funded government resources. "Consequentialist libertarians" may decide the issue in terms of what is best for the economy. Ideally for a libertarian, there would be minimal government involvement in various social programs, thus virtually no increased tax burden of immigration."

 

[BlackLantern]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html

Thanks for playing Ron....hopefully all that money you collected buys you some dignity

 

[Matt]

And here I was thinking the 2 % of the vote and no one giving a **** no matter how good his ideas were was enough of a reason.

 

[The Senator]

Ron Paul is a lot of things. This is what happens when people don't read up on a candidate, and instead support him because either a) he would support the decriminalization of marijuana and other drugs or b) their friends support him on Facebook.

Seriously though... that doesn't surprise me. His supporters are nutso-crazy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Ron Paul has obviously denied these papers. And they seem to be rather out of character.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I already knew about this a long time ago, which is why I was so surprised you supported him, Hippie.

curious which drugs does he want to legalize? I am dead against legalizing anything except marijuana.

 

[The Senator]

I already knew about this a long time ago, which is why I was so surprised you supported him, Hippie.

curious which drugs does he want to legalize? I am dead against legalizing anything except marijuana.

He doesn't want to legalize them, per se, he just wants to decriminalize them-- or at least that's what he said at a rally a few months ago. I'm not sure which drugs he wants to decriminalize specifically, other than marijuana.

 

[Matt]

What exactly is the difference?

 

[Spider-Bite]

What exactly is the difference?

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[The Senator]

What exactly is the difference?

I think it's legalization without explicitly making it legal. For example, you wouldn't be able to sell it publicly (in a specialized store or what have you), but you wouldn't be charged with a criminal offense if you possess it.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I think it's legalization without explicitly making it legal. For example, you wouldn't be able to sell it publicly (in a specialized store or what have you), but you wouldn't be charged with a criminal offense if you possess it.

That defeats almost the entire purpose of legalizing it in the first place. We need to tax it.

 

[Matt]

That defeats almost the entire purpose of legalizing it in the first place. We need to tax it.

Exactly

 

[The Senator]

I agree that it ought to be sold and taxed. Best idea ever.

 

[CorpusBlack]

He doesn't want to legalize them, per se, he just wants to decriminalize them-- or at least that's what he said at a rally a few months ago. I'm not sure which drugs he wants to decriminalize specifically, other than marijuana.

With Ron Paul basically being Libertarian, he would be for decriminalizing all illegal substances, as each individual is in control of their own life and can do what they want as long as it doesn't take away from the rights of other individuals.

I agree that it ought to be sold and taxed. Best idea ever.

If Ron Paul had his way, it would be taxed to fit within the FairTax system, which he supports. However, even if you can buy it in a store where you pay tax, who is going to stop Joe Blow from growing it and selling it as he does now. With it being decriminalized, the law would just slap you on the wrist. And that's even if cops give a sh-t about it at that point.

 

[bell110]

Obviously fake. Come on guys, I thought you were smarter than that.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Obviously fake. Come on guys, I thought you were smarter than that.

I don't know about about that but even if he didn't write them and if they are indeed part of his newsletter shouldn't he have taken a close look at them, I mean, they were HIS newsletters.

Also, they resurrected some old stormfront thread up in community and I noticed an alarming amount of those cats have Ron Paul banners as their sigs.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Obviously fake. Come on guys, I thought you were smarter than that.

CNN is quite sh-t at reporting and researching their material. I don't believe it to be honest. However, if it is true, that's really f'd up.

 

[BlackLantern]

true or not....having your name attached to something like that can spell the end of any hope of a candidacy....its not like he would have won anyway

 

[bell110]

I don't know about about that but even if he didn't write them and if they are indeed part of his newsletter shouldn't he have taken a close look at them, I mean, they were HIS newsletters.

Also, they resurrected some old stormfront thread up in community and I noticed an alarming amount of those cats have Ron Paul banners as their sigs.

Where is that thread? I didn't see it.

 

[CorpusBlack]

true or not....having your name attached to something like that can spell the end of any hope of a candidacy....its not like he would have won anyway

True. But they all have skeletons in their closet man.

I do however find it hard to believe that someone in his position, even 15 years ago, would actually spew those words knowing what kind of backlash it could cause. It's just common sense.

 

[BlackLantern]

True. But they all have skeletons in their closet man.

I do however find it hard to believe that someone in his position, even 15 years ago, would actually spew those words knowing what kind of backlash it could cause. It's just common sense.

People like him don't believe what they are saying is actually wrong....thats the big problem

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Where is that thread? I didn't see it.

here

 

[CorpusBlack]

People like him don't believe what they are saying is actually wrong....thats the big problem

And that's why our country is falling to sh-t IMO.

 

[bell110]

true or not....having your name attached to something like that can spell the end of any hope of a candidacy....its not like he would have won anyway

I can attach anybodys name to anything I want. I will not believe this untill there is proof that these letters are legit. And even then, I will have to know how these letters came to be.

Unfortunitly, most people wont bother to find out if they are real. They'll just read the headline and make up their mind.

 

[CorpusBlack]

Unfortunitly, most people wont bother to find out if they are real. They'll just read the headline and make up their mind.

The land of misinformation.