The Amazing Spider-Man The Lizard - How does he compare with Spidey's other onscreen adversaries?

[Anno_Domini]

If Sandman can form whatever, you'd think he could form clothing as well, so being naked doesn't make sense, imo.

 

[SpiderMan'sBoot]

That's a fair point too haha. His powers are more complex than you think actually. Or I'm just a bit slow!

 

[The Shape]

If Sandman can form whatever, you'd think he could form clothing as well, so being naked doesn't make sense, imo.

He can form whatever in terms of sand shapes. He can use sand around him to grow larger and form more complex shapes. But there's no explanation whatsoever as to how his clothes (which are colored) fade away...and then materialize again.

But then again, there's no explanation as to how Sandman could fly around either. Spider-man 3 is literally one of the dumbest movies ever to be released. Dozens of face-palm moments. It's sad, really, because I was posting here immensely during that time and I was beyond excited for it.

 

[SpiderMan'sBoot]

Spider-Man 3 was almost like they reached a wall and ran out of ideas. They'd set things up nicely to develop further from SM2 but it felt like they regressed. I thought there were hints Aunt May knew who Peter was with the whole 'needing heroes' speech or whatever it was. Mary Jane and Pete were finally together. But then didn't seem like May knew who Peter was, they brought Ben's killer situation back into it, MJ and Pete split up and it's petty.

Face palm moments galore! Don't get me started on that 'dancing' from emo Pete.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I don't think they ran out of ideas with SM3. They definitely had some good ideas, they were just executed very poorly. I think they ran out of ideas after SM3, hence the reboot. TASM set up sequels very well, so I think we are safe in that sense with the new series.

 

[The Shape]

Spider-Man 3 was almost like they reached a wall and ran out of ideas. They'd set things up nicely to develop further from SM2 but it felt like they regressed. I thought there were hints Aunt May knew who Peter was with the whole 'needing heroes' speech or whatever it was. Mary Jane and Pete were finally together. But then didn't seem like May knew who Peter was, they brought Ben's killer situation back into it, MJ and Pete split up and it's petty.

Face palm moments galore! Don't get me started on that 'dancing' from emo Pete.

The dancing Peter was far from the worst of the face-palm moments. In fact, if that was left in and other things were better, I think it would have just been seen as a funny, self-aware sequence.

Here are some of ridiculous aspects of SM3:

Tobey was fat, hardly ever actually in the suit himself.
MJ in a musical, Dunst doing her own singing.
Almost all of the dialogue, especially during fight scenes.
'New Goblin' instead of a proper GG2 (huge missed opportunity)
Any scene with Sandman, especially when he speaks ("My daughter..")
JJ's scenes were not funny whatsoever.
Messing with Spidey's origin for no apparent reason.
Way too much ****** CGI.
Black suit didn't even make Peter bad, just annoying.
The emo hair was enough to kill a true Spider-man fan.
Gwen Stacy as a pointless character to make MJ jealous.
Peter getting bullied in college for being smart. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
Not nearly enough black suit Spidey or Venom.
MJ and Harry cooking and dancing, then kissing.
Sandman served no other purpose than to waste other character's screen time.
Venom squawking like a raptor from Jurassic Park.
The fight between Peter and Harry at the mansion. Beyond laughable.
Spidey and Surfboard Goblin working together at the end.
Peter sobs like a baby at least 5 times, looking super fat.
Crowd chanting for Spidey to kiss Gwen at ceremony.
Peter actually kissing Gwen at ceremony. Is he ******ed?
News reporter during final battle. ("The brutality of eh..")
Sandman and Venom teaming up for no reason.

Seriously, I could keep going on and on. Anyone could. If someone attempted a drinking game based on this (take a shot when something stupid happens in SM3), they wouldn't make it through the first 30 minutes and would likely die of alcohol poisoning. I PRAY that this ASM series never jumps the shark or resorts to such lazy, crappy, studio-interference filmmaking like we saw with Spider-man 3.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I agree and disagree with some of the things you listed.

Tobey was fat, hardly ever actually in the suit himself.

I think this has to do with him aging. He was about 32 years old when Spider-Man 3 came out, so go figure.

MJ in a musical, Dunst doing her own singing.

Oh yeah, that was really annoying. I preferred seeing her in a play like in Spider-Man 2 that wasn't a musical.

Almost all of the dialogue, especially during fight scenes.

Agreed.

'New Goblin' instead of a proper GG2 (huge missed opportunity)

I think the problem was that they were trying to avoid using the Goblin mask from Spider-Man 1 because of fan backlash. They could have just altered it, or used some of the designs as seen in test shots.

Any scene with Sandman, especially when he speaks ("My daughter..")

Disagree. Sandman had some of my favorite scenes in the whole movie. Wish there was more of him.

JJ's scenes were not funny whatsoever.

Completely disagree. Some of my favorite moments of the movie also had JJ in them. Only hated his appearance during the final battle.

Messing with Spidey's origin for no apparent reason.

Hated that.

Way too much ****** CGI.

Unavoidable with villains like Sandman especially.

Black suit didn't even make Peter bad, just annoying.

The emo hair was enough to kill a true Spider-man fan.

It was really stupid. And that's just being nice.

Gwen Stacy as a pointless character to make MJ jealous.

Peter getting bullied in college for being smart. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.

Actually that's not true. I'm in college, and I know a lot of jerks who bully kids still.

Not nearly enough black suit Spidey or Venom.

MJ and Harry cooking and dancing, then kissing.

Another pointless scene that led to the inevitable: Harry getting his memory back.

Sandman served no other purpose than to waste other character's screen time.

If the whole symbiote story wasn't shoved into the movie, then his character wouldn't have felt that way. Its such a shame really.

Venom squawking like a raptor from Jurassic Park.

LOL

The fight between Peter and Harry at the mansion. Beyond laughable.

Laughable, but quite fun IMO. Its just the dialogue that killed it.

Spidey and Surfboard Goblin working together at the end.

I didn't have a problem with them working together, I had a problem with how Harry changed his mind about helping (with the butler telling him about his father).

Peter sobs like a baby at least 5 times, looking super fat.

Now you're just insulting his weight, which I don't think was really that bad. The crying on the other hand was too much.

Crowd chanting for Spidey to kiss Gwen at ceremony.

And Spider-Man actually kissing her with no problem.

Peter actually kissing Gwen at ceremony. Is he ******ed?

Exactly.

News reporter during final battle. ("The brutality of eh..")

Why did they use a British reporter in the first place? So random and annoying.

Sandman and Venom teaming up for no reason.

I suppose it was just lazy writing and it felt convenient for the story. It was done so much better in the official novelization. If you haven't read it, then go ahead. Its so much better. Same goes for the whole Sandman story, there is much more character development for him.

 

[The Shape]

I think this has to do with him aging. He was about 32 years old when Spider-Man 3 came out, so go figure.

And how old is Christian Bale now? Face it. After Spider-man 1, Tobey did not hit the gym for this role and it really showed by the time SM3 came around. He was probably more than happy cashing his $20mil paycheck and didn't care whether he looked good, letting stunt men do most of his work.

Watch the end of SM3 and when the mask is off and it's clearly Tobey, you'll be looking at a completely pudgy Spider-man.

If the whole symbiote story wasn't shoved into the movie, then his character wouldn't have felt that way. Its such a shame really.

See, I disagree and thought it was the other way around. Sure, Sandman made for a few cool action moments, but an entire film based around him?

They should have nixed Sandman completely and went full-on with the symbiote/Venom story and could have buffed up the GG2 subplot. Instead, we got a film that make little to no sense and one that has characters disappearing for long periods of screentime.

 

[Picard Sisko]

And how old is Christian Bale now? Face it. After Spider-man 1, Tobey did not hit the gym for this role and it really showed by the time SM3 came around. He was probably more than happy cashing his $20mil paycheck and didn't care whether he looked good, letting stunt men do most of his work.

Watch the end of SM3 and when the mask is off and it's clearly Tobey, you'll be looking at a completely pudgy Spider-man.

That's the least of the movie's problems.

See, I disagree and thought it was the other way around. Sure, Sandman made for a few cool action moments, but an entire film based around him?

They should have nixed Sandman completely and went full-on with the symbiote/Venom story and could have buffed up the GG2 subplot. Instead, we got a film that make little to no sense and one that has characters disappearing for long periods of screentime.

Its clear that the Venom was an afterthought. The symbiote randomly lands in central park right where Spider-Man was, and conveniently sits in his room for the first hour or so of the movie. Then, when Spider-Man finally gets the black suit, he takes it off almost immediately after, and we barely get to see it at all. Then Venom appears during the last 10 minutes of the movie and that's it. From what I understand, the script was still being worked on while they were filming.

You can see that Sandman was supposed to be the main villain of the film, but he sorta got pushed aside and suffered because of how cluttered the movie was. And the whole movie wouldn't have been based on him, but Harry Osborn as well. In fact, I'm almost positive that Harry wouldn't have been knocked out and lost his memory if Venom wasn't shoved in there. Think about how much more room we would have had for these two villains if it weren't for the symbiote story being shoved in there.

 

[Jick]

From all of the complaints I have with this movie, Peter vs Harry at the mansion isn't one of them. I thought it was well done. I just wish Peter showed his black spider suit instead of wearing it beneath the clothes.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Peter vs Harry at the mansion is definitely a complaint I have because of the dreadful dialogue.

 

[Picard Sisko]

From all of the complaints I have with this movie, Peter vs Harry at the mansion isn't one of them. I thought it was well done. I just wish Peter showed his black spider suit instead of wearing it beneath the clothes.

I also wish the fight was taken outside.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Saying you can't apply any logic to his transformation is saying you shouldn't apply any logic to anything regarding a CBM. There has to be some, period, or you'll lose interest with anyone who wants some sensibility to it.

If Flint Marko turns into a pile of sand and if his clothes do as well(and they do, so I don't get why you said his clothes don't mutate), then the necklace should as well or you just take out continuity to the transformation.

You didny get my point

Other villians like Green Goblin,DocOck are plausible,even if the possibility is very faint,even the venom is more plausible than Sandman,parasites are very common in nature and could be easily present in space aswell

As far as Sandman is concerned,the clothes and the necklace are not living things and hence cannot mutate,only his living body will.So his clothes and the necklace would fall down as they are,but since nobody wants to see a naked sandman,he is showed with his clothes since he has been invented and Raimi showed him like that

 

[Spiderdevil]

He can form whatever in terms of sand shapes. He can use sand around him to grow larger and form more complex shapes. But there's no explanation whatsoever as to how his clothes (which are colored) fade away...and then materialize again.

But then again, there's no explanation as to how Sandman could fly around either. Spider-man 3 is literally one of the dumbest movies ever to be released. Dozens of face-palm moments. It's sad, really, because I was posting here immensely during that time and I was beyond excited for it.

You cant blame SM3 for that,Sandman is an ambiguous villian as it is,he shouldnt have been chosen in the first place

Needless to say,Electro is ambiguous aswell and Webb needs to be really careful with how he is dealth with

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think Sandman was a great choice for a movie. If the movie wasn't so cluttered, I think there would have been a greater appreciation for the villain.

I think with Electro, what matters is how they handle his backstory.

 

[Spiderdevil]

The dancing Peter was far from the worst of the face-palm moments. In fact, if that was left in and other things were better, I think it would have just been seen as a funny, self-aware sequence.

Here are some of ridiculous aspects of SM3:

Tobey was fat, hardly ever actually in the suit himself.
MJ in a musical, Dunst doing her own singing.
Almost all of the dialogue, especially during fight scenes.
'New Goblin' instead of a proper GG2 (huge missed opportunity)
Any scene with Sandman, especially when he speaks ("My daughter..")
JJ's scenes were not funny whatsoever.
Messing with Spidey's origin for no apparent reason.
Way too much ****** CGI.
Black suit didn't even make Peter bad, just annoying.
The emo hair was enough to kill a true Spider-man fan.
Gwen Stacy as a pointless character to make MJ jealous.
Peter getting bullied in college for being smart. THAT NEVER HAPPENS.
Not nearly enough black suit Spidey or Venom.
MJ and Harry cooking and dancing, then kissing.
Sandman served no other purpose than to waste other character's screen time.
Venom squawking like a raptor from Jurassic Park.
The fight between Peter and Harry at the mansion. Beyond laughable.
Spidey and Surfboard Goblin working together at the end.
Peter sobs like a baby at least 5 times, looking super fat.
Crowd chanting for Spidey to kiss Gwen at ceremony.
Peter actually kissing Gwen at ceremony. Is he ******ed?
News reporter during final battle. ("The brutality of eh..")
Sandman and Venom teaming up for no reason.

Seriously, I could keep going on and on. Anyone could. If someone attempted a drinking game based on this (take a shot when something stupid happens in SM3), they wouldn't make it through the first 30 minutes and would likely die of alcohol poisoning. I PRAY that this ASM series never jumps the shark or resorts to such lazy, crappy, studio-interference filmmaking like we saw with Spider-man 3.

The harry-peter fight was brutal,Com'on

Way better than the so called 'epic' bane fights when both are hitting thin air

 

[Picard Sisko]

Raimi is so much better at his fight scenes than Nolan, hands down. Even with his simpler fight scenes, such as Harry and Peter in the mansion, or the final battle between Spider-Man and Green Goblin in SM1, Raimi made it a lot of fun.

 

[Spiderdevil]

And how old is Christian Bale now? Face it. After Spider-man 1, Tobey did not hit the gym for this role and it really showed by the time SM3 came around. He was probably more than happy cashing his $20mil paycheck and didn't care whether he looked good, letting stunt men do most of his work.

Watch the end of SM3 and when the mask is off and it's clearly Tobey, you'll be looking at a completely pudgy Spider-man.

He could not work out due to his back injury,you cant blame him for that

And even Bale didnt seem to have worked out for TDK and TDKR as much as BB
He didnt get fat though

See, I disagree and thought it was the other way around. Sure, Sandman made for a few cool action moments, but an entire film based around him?

They should have nixed Sandman completely and went full-on with the symbiote/Venom story and could have buffed up the GG2 subplot. Instead, we got a film that make little to no sense and one that has characters disappearing for long periods of screentime.

I agree
Sandman should never have been used,just used Harry as the goblin as villian and introduce the symbiote and Eddy Brock
Venom for SM4

 

[The Shape]

The harry-peter fight was brutal,Com'on

Way better than the so called 'epic' bane fights when both are hitting thin air

You can criticize TDKR and Nolan's fight choreography all you want, but are you high or what?

The Bane/Batman fight is a million times more intense and well directed than that stupid mansion fight was. "I protected you in high school and now I'm gonna kick your little ass!" Oh, Harry's blade went super close to Peter's eye! We've never seen anything like that before!

Everything down to the music was LAME. None of the fights in SM3 hold up to the fights from SM1 or SM2. Not to mention it was impossible to take Tobey Maguire serious with that completely ridiculous haircut. LOL

 

[Picard Sisko]

You can criticize TDKR and Nolan's fight choreography all you want, but are you high or what?

The Bane/Batman fight is a million times more intense and well directed than that stupid mansion fight was. "I protected you in high school and now I'm gonna kick your little ass!" Oh, Harry's blade went super close to Peter's eye! We've never seen anything like that before!

Everything down to the music was LAME. None of the fights in SM3 hold up to the fights from SM1 or SM2. Not to mention it was impossible to take Tobey Maguire serious with that completely ridiculous haircut. LOL

The music in SM3 was great, probably the best in the trilogy IMO. The sewer subway fight with Sandman had potential to be just as good as the train fight in SM2. If it was a few minutes longer, it probably would have been.

The fight between Batman and Bane was the only intense moment in the whole movie for me. And it wasn't all that great to me.

 

[Nathan]

I didn't like either fight. Batman Vs Bane or Peter Vs Harry. In both cases because the main character really doesn't really show what he's capable of. Batman basically neglected years of training and just went straight head to head against Bane, and Peter didn't fight much like Spider-Man. It was just like watching 2 regular guys beating the crap out of each other. They didn't even showcase their super strength all that well.

 

[Spiderdevil]

You can criticize TDKR and Nolan's fight choreography all you want, but are you high or what?

The Bane/Batman fight is a million times more intense and well directed than that stupid mansion fight was. "I protected you in high school and now I'm gonna kick your little ass!" Oh, Harry's blade went super close to Peter's eye! We've never seen anything like that before!

Everything down to the music was LAME. None of the fights in SM3 hold up to the fights from SM1 or SM2. Not to mention it was impossible to take Tobey Maguire serious with that completely ridiculous haircut. LOL

You can criticise the dialogue but the fight itself was excellent

And I am not being biased here but the Bane fights were nothing special,yes they were improvements over the previous 2 movies but thats hardly saying anything,both of them were hitting thin air at times and there body wasnt reacting properly when being hit,very very bad choreography.Nil creativity.The only part were the fight felt intense to me was the end of the second fight when Bane is brutally punching and rips off the cement from the pillar and then Batman overcomes him and kicks him through the door

And SM3's score,CGI and action sequences are imo the best in any CB movie till date,those are the only 3 things which make the movie worthwhile

 

[Picard Sisko]

You can criticise the dialogue but the fight itself was excellent

And I am not being biased here but the Bane fights were nothing special,yes they were improvements over the previous 2 movies but thats hardly saying anything,both of them were hitting thin air at times and there body wasnt reacting properly when being hit,very very bad choreography.Nil creativity.The only part were the fight felt intense to me was the end of the second fight when Bane is brutally punching and rips off the cement from the pillar and then Batman overcomes him and kicks him through the door

And SM3's score,CGI and action sequences are imo the best in any CB movie till date,those are the only 3 things which make the movie worthwhile

 

[SpiderMan'sBoot]

With the Sandman-clothes argument, couldn't you say that his clothes just fused to him during his original transformation? Lame idea I know, I'm sure that happened to someone else. Because he is always wearing the same clothes

And as much as I love ASM, the action scenes haven't got anything on Raimi's. Still liked them but Raimi's action scenes were very good. Very inventive from occasion to occasion. One of the saving graces of SM3.

 

[Grievous]

He can form whatever in terms of sand shapes. He can use sand around him to grow larger and form more complex shapes. But there's no explanation whatsoever as to how his clothes (which are colored) fade away...and then materialize again.

But then again, there's no explanation as to how Sandman could fly around either. Spider-man 3 is literally one of the dumbest movies ever to be released. Dozens of face-palm moments. It's sad, really, because I was posting here immensely during that time and I was beyond excited for it.

I think the flying was like a sandstorm kind of thing. He made the sand as less compacted as possible so it was light enough for the wind to blow it threw the air. Your not the only one who spent pretty much the whole wait for Spider-Man 3 hyping about it. I was more then excited to finally see my favorite comic character appear on the big screen, and the only good thing I can say was the design was good, which was short lived.