The Avengers The Loki/Tom Hiddleston Thread. We need Loki-Love.

[Herolee10]

I'll just leave this here.

*Sits on a couch and begins eating popcorn, waiting to see the reaction of everyone else to that gif.

 

[Lady Marion]

*Sits on a couch and begins eating popcorn, waiting to see the reaction of everyone else to that gif.

t: lol

(unexpected reaction) Happy new year!

ok - cool pic!

 

[Nave 'Torment']

The Lokster needed to be sportin that beard in the film.

Just sayin.

 

[Godzilla2000]

*Sits on a couch and begins eating popcorn, waiting to see the reaction of everyone else to that gif.

Oh my God...the first thought that came to my mind is that Tommy looks too much like a younger version of the original Master from Doctor Who played by Roger Delgado. Just dress him up in a dapper suit to complete the transformation. Here's an image of Delgado as the Master for comparison.

It's funny because I was thinking how neat it would be if Doctor Who brought back a younger version of Delgado's Master that took his TARDIS and traveled to the Eleventh Doctor's Era. I am now 100% convinced more than anything Tom Hiddleston would be a great casting choice for such a role by that .gif image alone.

P.S. Roger Delgado is my favorite version of The Master. Oh, and Tommy looks good with a goatee too.

 

[irapogi]

So what do you guys think his role will be in thor 2? I was wishing fr a barbosa type reveal where the enemy (e&e?) goes into hiding and its revealed loki was behind it.
But with his huge fanbase, they probably cant afford that and will feature him prominently. Thoughts?

 

[Xeno]

I think that they might not have Loki as the main villain in Thor 2, instead relegating him to a brief segment regarding his punishment. The risk of over-exposing him is great if he appears as the ultimate bad guy in three successive movies.

Loki's fanbase might be vocal, but the producers won't cater to a minority to the detriment of the film itself and the main character. They could decide that the better course is to give Loki some time on the sidelines and develop other parts of Thor's mythical milieu. Then, when he is brought back later the audience will have had a break from his presence and be more receptive to a return engagement.

 

[Xeno]

By the way, Tom Hiddleston tweeted a link to the video that gif I posted came from. The whole video consists of Hiddles looking extremely hot and intense. The video is a promo for a photo shoot that will appear in the January 2012 issue of 1883Magazine. I've never heard of that mag before but I can confidently predict that it will fly off the shelves wherever it's sold.

http://vimeo.com/32592715

 

[Godzilla2000]

So what do you guys think his role will be in thor 2? I was wishing fr a barbosa type reveal where the enemy (e&e?) goes into hiding and its revealed loki was behind it.
But with his huge fanbase, they probably cant afford that and will feature him prominently. Thoughts?

Well, in a few words, I think that the future holds a lot of pain for Loki, especially where his relationship with Odin is concerned. One does not simply show such a careless disregard for the lives of the beings of the 9 realms and simply think that Odin will just give them a slap on the hand. Look what Odin did to Thor when he just riled up the Frost Giants. Now just think of all the death and destruction Loki has caused and will cause in the Avengers. What would you think Odin's reaction will be to that, especially considering the fact that Loki isn't his actual biological child but the unwanted child of his enemies he adopted?

I just thought of a scene in my head where Odin, in a fit of rage from an especially heated confrontation with Loki, removes the spell momentarily on Loki that gives him a human appearance in front of all the Asgardians to reveal to Loki what it would have been like if he wasn't as merciful to him, perhaps saying something rather angrily to him like, "Is this what you really wanted?"

*edit* You know, I was thinking...if there has been anyone in the Marvel movies that has needed a hero to save them, it's Loki. But sadly it seems like no one can hear his silent cries of help.

 

[ladyloki]

Well, in a few words, I think that the future holds a lot of pain for Loki, especially where his relationship with Odin is concerned. One does not simply show such a careless disregard for the lives of the beings of the 9 realms and simply think that Odin will just give them a slap on the hand. Look what Odin did to Thor when he just riled up the Frost Giants. Now just think of all the death and destruction Loki has caused and will cause in the Avengers. What would you think Odin's reaction will be to that, especially considering the fact that Loki isn't his actual biological child but the unwanted child of his enemies he adopted?

I just thought of a scene in my head where Odin, in a fit of rage from an especially heated confrontation with Loki, removes the spell momentarily on Loki that gives him a human appearance in front of all the Asgardians to reveal to Loki what it would have been like if he wasn't as merciful to him, perhaps saying something rather angrily to him like, "Is this what you really wanted?"

*edit* You know, I was thinking...if there has been anyone in the Marvel movies that has needed a hero to save them, it's Loki. But sadly it seems like no one can hear his silent cries of help.

Your Posts are insightful as always .. Oidn is going to go ape **** on Loki. I would love to see Loki exposed as a frost giant in Thor 2, or how about instead of Oidn revealing his hertiage Loki does it instead and corrects Odin by saying " dont you mean Loki Laufeyson " cause in the some of the comics I read and earths mightiest heros he does state the fact that he is not Oidns true son.

I know .. thats what is so sad about Loki .he was crying out for help but no one knew or cared. So he did the only thing he felt he could ..and that was to act out.


HAPPY 2012 !!!!

 

[Godzilla2000]

Your Posts are insightful as always .. Oidn is going to go ape **** on Loki. I would love to see Loki exposed as a frost giant in Thor 2, or how about instead of Oidn revealing his hertiage Loki does it instead and corrects Odin by saying " dont you mean Loki Laufeyson " cause in the some of the comics I read and earths mightiest heros he does state the fact that he is not Oidns true son.

Considering it's Odin's magic that gives Loki his flesh colored skin, would he even have enough magical skill to remove Odin's spell though? It would be an interesting idea, but considering that Loki's none too fond of his genetic heritage I don't think that he would consciously reveal himself as one of them. I'd think Odin, in a fit of rage at an impulsively aggressive Loki would remove the spell to punish him, let him see all the people in the room recoiling in fear at his ghastly, true appearance. You see, I've been listening to a lot of Phantom of the Opera and that's kind of inspired my musings. And possibly to further bring Loki to heel, in Odin's way of thinking, he could put him in a room made of mirrors that if broken, through magic, would reform themselves so that Loki would have to stare at the very thing he hates the most until his temper has waned.

I know .. thats what is so sad about Loki .he was crying out for help but no one knew or cared. So he did the only thing he felt he could ..and that was to act out.

Unfortunately this is a very realistic way that children who feel they've been ignored will get attention. But you know, as far as the Frost Giants are concerned, I think I can follow Loki's line of reasoning, that being that if he were to kill them all, the threat against Asgard would be neutralized because dead Frost Giants can't do anything to them. Not that I condone the act of genocide but the twisted logic of his action can be understood. I think the worst thing though is that it's pretty apparent underneath his veneer of placidity Loki is mentally insane. I mean how else could someone hatch the plot that he did to "fix" his brother's mistake and be okay with the blood of many on his hands? The real tragedy is that Odin may not realize the extent of Loki's sickness and just how to handle someone that possesses such a damaged psyche. I think the total loss of his sanity started when he found out he was in fact a Frost Giant, and I think it's just going to be a continual slide downwards. We have no clue just what happened to Loki out there in the vast universe between the end of Thor and the beginning of the Avengers. Considering that Joss Whedon asked Tommy to be more feral seems to indicate that Loki has taken a few beatings as well as dished more than a few out personally.

P.S. Just thought of this, but I think of all the people in Loki's life it would seem that Thor and Frigga are the only ones that perhaps see that Loki's in trouble and want to do something to help him. Odin must be aware of Loki's mental maladies, but he's a warrior at heart and most likely doesn't know how his knowledge can help Loki at all. I'd think it would be a pretty emotionally tugging moment for Loki to beg for Odin's help because he just can't handle every trauma that he's seen and experienced personally on his own.

HAPPY 2012 !!!!

Happy 2012 to you too! *hugs all around* The Mayan Apocalypse was so wrong!!


I am just amazed at how good Tommy's singing voice is! Someone who is musically inclined must make a dance tune out of his impromptu singing of Pure Imagination, perhaps mix in Chris Evans stating how he too was basking in Tommy's attractiveness.

 

[ElMariachi]

 

[Godzilla2000]

lol...I'd mentioned the striking resemblance between Robert Downey Jr. and Jeffrey Dean Morgan in another thread. I suppose Loki doesn't want to be outdone by a mere mortal like Ozymandias.

Now that would be an interesting crossover...Loki vs. Ozymandias, one Ozymandias would lose in the end unless Loki decides to use him as one of his acolytes.

 

[BigThor]

It's about time someone said something "action oriented", because Loki isn't just a misunderstood character with emotional wounds...he's powerful enough to destroy a planet.

 

[Godzilla2000]

And I just can't wait to see just how badass Loki will be in the Avengers movie. By Thor 2 it will be interesting to see a blend of the two sides of Loki from both Thor and Avengers as well.

 

[Hawkingbird]

*Faints in his supreme hotness*

 

[eddy]

That jacket reminds me of Drive.

 

[BigThor]

And I just can't wait to see just how badass Loki will be in the Avengers movie. By Thor 2 it will be interesting to see a blend of the two sides of Loki from both Thor and Avengers as well.

Yeah I think he's going to calm down a bit from how he was in The Avengers but he's still going to be darker than he was in THOR.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The Lokster needed to be sportin that beard in the film.

Just sayin.

teh evil goatee suits him.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

LOL u mad?

 

[Godzilla2000]

Yeah I think he's going to calm down a bit from how he was in The Avengers but he's still going to be darker than he was in THOR.

I would think this is a pretty good assessment of how Loki will act once he's back in Asgard. I just don't think after all he has subjected himself to out on his own and all the misery he will cause in the Avengers he could ever be the harmless prankster that he was in Thor. He'll have changed too much because of the traumas he'd gone through. He will push boundaries with Odin of course, but unlike in the Avengers he wouldn't purposefully cross the line in Odin's presence knowing fully well the power of Gungnir and what magic his adopted father possesses himself. That's not to say he won't test just how far he can get with Odin though and he might have quite a few tussles with him.

 

[Xeno]

But was Loki ever truly a mere "harmless prankster"? When one looks at what he did in Thor it becomes rather difficult to support that assertion.


The audience knows, even if Thor and Odin do not, that Loki was plotting with Laufey and the Jotuns long before they raided Odin's vault. Loki's actions caused the deaths of several Jotuns as well as the Asgardians who were guarding the storeroom. That was no prank, unless one considers inciting murder a childish pastime.


Then, knowing that he had caused those deaths and moved Asgard and Jotunheim closer to war, Loki manipulated Thor into invading the Frost giants' realm. He may not have intended to get Thor and Co. killed but he had no compunction about endangering them all and getting a number of Jotuns slaughtered. Again, not a prank and definitely not harmless.


In the end, Loki actually killed Thor. He had no idea that Odin would restore his brother to life. Like all rational beings, Loki thought that Thor's death was irrevocable and indeed he killed his brother with that end in mind. Thor died professing his love for Loki; Loki turned his back on Thor's corpse.


Odin's oft-quoted and oft-condemned "No, Loki," was not a rejection of Loki himself but of Loki's deeds. Odin was saying "No" to genocide, "No" to fratricide, "No" to patricide, "No" to wanton destruction that served no end. What else was he to say? "Yes, killing an entire race, your brother and your biological father and destroying a town to please me was a good thing"? "No" was the only proper word to say in that moment. Any other word would have been a tacit endorsement of his son's misdeeds and cruelty.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

But was Loki ever truly a mere "harmless prankster"? When one looks at what he did in Thor it becomes rather difficult to support that assertion.


The audience knows, even if Thor and Odin do not, that Loki was plotting with Laufey and the Jotuns long before they raided Odin's vault. Loki's actions caused the deaths of several Jotuns as well as the Asgardians who were guarding the storeroom. That was no prank, unless one considers inciting murder a childish pastime.

Erm, actually he wasnt, dont you remember the scene when Loki is king and he goes to see Laufey? It goes like this, Loki walks into Laufey's chamber:

Laufey: "Kill him."
Loki: "After all i've done for you?"
Laufey:"So you're the one who showed us the path into Asgard......I will hear you."

This indicated to me that Loki and Laufey had never met together before other than Thor's invasion of Jotunheim earlier in the movie.

Then, knowing that he had caused those deaths and moved Asgard and Jotunheim closer to war, Loki manipulated Thor into invading the Frost giants' realm. He may not have intended to get Thor and Co. killed but he had no compunction about endangering them all and getting a number of Jotuns slaughtered. Again, not a prank and definitely not harmless.

Again though, he told the guard long before they reached the bi-frost, Loki even said about the guard:

"He should be flogged for taking so long we should never have reached Jotunheim............I saved our lives, and Thor's, I had no idea father would banish him for what he did."

So I dont think he meant all of what transpired to do so, while they werent harmless pranks, I dont think he meant them to be so serious in their consequences. I think what really did tip Loki over to the dark side though was finding out about his heritage, you could see this slowly drove him mad.

In the end, Loki actually killed Thor. He had no idea that Odin would restore his brother to life. Like all rational beings, Loki thought that Thor's death was irrevocable and indeed he killed his brother with that end in mind. Thor died professing his love for Loki; Loki turned his back on Thor's corpse.


Odin's oft-quoted and oft-condemned "No, Loki," was not a rejection of Loki himself but of Loki's deeds. Odin was saying "No" to genocide, "No" to fratricide, "No" to patricide, "No" to wanton destruction that served no end. What else was he to say? "Yes, killing an entire race, your brother and your biological father and destroying a town to please me was a good thing"? "No" was the only proper word to say in that moment. Any other word would have been a tacit endorsement of his son's misdeeds and cruelty.

These two points I thoroughly agree with though, by the point he killed Thor he had become mad and evil, even though he still held love for Thor, Odin and Frigga.

 

[Xeno]

Erm, actually he wasnt, dont you remember the scene when Loki is king and he goes to see Laufey? It goes like this, Loki walks into Laufey's chamber:

Laufey: "Kill him."
Loki: "After all i've done for you?"
Laufey:"So you're the one who showed us the path into Asgard......I will hear you."

This indicated to me that Loki and Laufey had never met together before other than Thor's invasion of Jotunheim earlier in the movie.

Yes, Laufey says that he never met with Loki before then. However, he also stated that Loki was the one who showed the Jotuns how to infiltrate Asgard undetected. That is exactly the point I was making. Loki concealed his identity from Laufey until he gained the throne of Asgard, but he did in fact betray his father and his people. He worked with the Frost Giants covertly, whether they knew it at the time or not. His actions caused several deaths immediately and propelled the two realms closer to war. My point stands.

Again though, he told the guard long before they reached the bi-frost, Loki even said about the guard:

"He should be flogged for taking so long we should never have reached Jotunheim............I saved our lives, and Thor's, I had no idea father would banish him for what he did."

So I dont think he meant all of what transpired to do so, while they werent harmless pranks, I dont think he meant them to be so serious in their consequences. I think what really did tip Loki over to the dark side though was finding out about his heritage, you could see this slowly drove him mad.

Simply because Loki said something doesn't mean he's telling the truth. If he didn't mean for Thor to get himself banished, why did he goad his brother into going to Jotunheim? While I think Loki's true goal might have been to cause so much strife between Thor and Odin that the latter disinherited the Thunderer, banishment served his ends even better.


Also consider the fact that Loki refused to plead Thor's case with Odin, citing his brother's recklessness as the reason. Who encouraged Thor's impetuous decision to intrude on Jotunheim and disobey their father in the first place? Loki, of course. The trickster carefully, deviously stoked Thor's rage, then capitalized on it.


Loki did lose it after he found out that he was Laufey's son, yes. However, he had already betrayed Thor and Odin before he made that discovery. And consider this: Had Loki not allowed the Jotuns to enter Asgard, and then goaded Thor to retaliate, he would never have found out that painful truth in the first place. Odin and Frigga never had any intention of telling him and no one else (presumably) knew. It was Loki's own hubris that caused his downfall. (Some may argue that Odin should have told Loki about his heritage, but seeing how the news nearly destroyed him perhaps Odin knew best.)

These two points I thoroughly agree with though, by the point he killed Thor he had become mad and evil, even though he still held love for Thor, Odin and Frigga.

It was very clear that Loki still loved his parents, despite the fact that he put them both in mortal danger by setting Laufey loose in their bedchamber. His feelings for Thor are another story, however. Loki killed Thor once and would have done so again if he could have managed it. At the last, when Thor was shattering the Bifrost, Loki's final thrust with Gugnir seemed aimed with lethal intent.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes, Laufey says that he never met with Loki before then. However, he also stated that Loki was the one who showed the Jotuns how to infiltrate Asgard undetected. That is exactly the point I was making. Loki concealed his identity from Laufey until he gained the throne of Asgard, but he did in fact betray his father and his people. He worked with the Frost Giants covertly, whether they knew it at the time or not. His actions caused several deaths immediately and propelled the two realms closer to war. My point stands.

Laufey seemed surprised by Loki's admission though, so I dont think it was a collaberation, I think Loki showed them a path and they simply followed it, this is judging by his conversation with Heimdall later on.

Yes he betrayed Odin and Thor, but at that point I dont think he meant to cause death war, he said to Laufey himself "It was just a bit of fun really, to ruin my brothers bit day." Sif pointed out also that he had always been jealous of Thor, so again I think it was to just get one over on his brother more than anything.

Simply because Loki said something doesn't mean he's telling the truth. If he didn't mean for Thor to get himself banished, why did he goad his brother into going to Jotunheim? While I think Loki's true goal might have been to cause so much strife between Thor and Odin that the latter disinherited the Thunderer, banishment served his ends even better.

I dont think he meant to get Thor banished though, just prevent from getting the throne, Odin was still king at this point, so he wanted to cause strife between Thor and Odin, not actually go to Jotunheim. Remember it was Thor who convinced Heimdall to open the bi-frost, not Loki, Loki actually couldnt convince Heimdall at all. Loki couldnt have known at this point that Heimdall's hurt pride would have made him open the bi-frost to Jotunheim. So again, I just think he wanted to cause strife between Thor and Odin, he didnt want to go to Jotunheim at all, he was the only one to try and talk Thor into leaving when they got there.

Also consider the fact that Loki refused to plead Thor's case with Odin, citing his brother's recklessness as the reason. Who encouraged Thor's impetuous decision to intrude on Jotunheim and disobey their father in the first place? Loki, of course. The trickster carefully, deviously stoked Thor's rage, then capitalized on it.

He did try to protest in the bifrost and Odin quickly shot him down, also, see the look on his face when Odin banishes Thor? It wasnt sinister like when he tells Thor Odin is dead on Earth, he was genuinly shocked at what had happened.

Loki did lose it after he found out that he was Laufey's son, yes. However, he had already betrayed Thor and Odin before he made that discovery. And consider this: Had Loki not allowed the Jotuns to enter Asgard, and then goaded Thor to retaliate, he would never have found out that painful truth in the first place. Odin and Frigga never had any intention of telling him and no one else (presumably) knew. It was Loki's own hubris that caused his downfall. (Some may argue that Odin should have told Loki about his heritage, but seeing how the news nearly destroyed him perhaps Odin knew best.)

Well yes, Loki was responsible for his own turn to madness, but again, I dont think he wanted to go to Jotunheim, he was the one trying to stop Thor getting into conflict with the frost giants, and he couldnt have known he would find out about his heritage.

It was very clear that Loki still loved his parents, despite the fact that he put them both in mortal danger by setting Laufey loose in their bedchamber. His feelings for Thor are another story, however. Loki killed Thor once and would have done so again if he could have managed it. At the last, when Thor was shattering the Bifrost, Loki's final thrust with Gugnir seemed aimed with lethal intent.

I think Loki's final thrust seemed lethal because he thought Thor couldnt stop his plans but when he realised he could he wanted to stop him at any cost. I still think he had love for Thor, despite trying to kill him on Earth. Remember, he sent The Destroyer to kill Thor when he just as easily could have done himself at that point. I think he sent The Destroyer because he couldnt face killing Thor directly.

 

[Godzilla2000]

I think the thing about the relationships between Loki, Thor, and Odin as far as the movie universe is concerned is that we've seen precious little about Loki and Thor as they were growing up. I could see Loki being an outcast from the start with other Asgardians who would have only seen him as a tiny runt incapable of being much of a physical asset in battle. Perhaps they even treated him with superstition because of his higher degree of aptitude in magic. And we all know that when large groups of people don't understand an individual that's different from the rest of them they tend to bully and badger them. I'm sure Thor and Loki's peers treated Thor, the more outgoing, warrior with admiration while Loki was most likely chided for his lack of courage in battle compared to Thor. Just put yourself in Loki's mind for a bit and think of what it would be like to have none of your best skills recognized and most of the things you are not aggressively mocked by bigger, stronger brutes while watching these same tormentors worshiping the ground Thor walked on. I guess on a certain level I could relate to a character like Loki because it seems like he so desperately wants to fit in with the culture he was raised in, but deep down knowing that he'll never be accepted for who he is because he's just different, and that's before finding out he's the bastard prince of Asgard's sworn enemies. In spite of Odin withholding the truth so that Loki wouldn't feel different as Frigga had told him I think Loki has known all along that something just wasn't quite right about himself, but nobody was willing or able to give him the answers he was seeking. Loki must have lived a pretty lonely life for so long even if Thor tried to help Loki feel more accepted and that feeling of psychological isolation must have really hurt Loki to some degree though he learned how to hide it. Feeling like an outsider, never accepted as is as well as who you are while being unmercifully bullied is never a comfortable place to be nor does it promote a feeling of mercy towards the very ones that have made you feel utterly worthless. I'm sure Loki doesn't have a shred of trust in anyone, and especially not after the events in Thor and before those in the Avengers. I'm sure he's always questioning just what people want from him and always thinking that any kind gesture comes with strings attached to it. It's a shame that pity for Loki comes much too late for it to do any good.