The Lone Ranger - Part 2

[DarkKnight88]

Hahahaha what? Banderas was never a buffoon in Mask of Zorro. They used his drunkenness as a joke a few times but never ever did they disrespect the character for a joke. Never did they degrade him for a cheap laugh.

Guess you forgot a bit of the movie where he clearly sucks?

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[ThePhantasm]

No we didn't forget that part. The thing is that part wasn't the whole freakin' movie.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Fair enough. Well, at least it's better than Legend of Zorro.

 

[voyzovrezon]

For example, you ask where is it bloated. Take out the entire Helena Bonham Carter character. Take out the brothel scene and the action that goes with it. The movie is 15 minutes shorter and doesn't lose a single thing. Next, take out the framing device with the kid. It adds nothing and gives the story a needless bitt of melancholy undertones.

I agree. The film would have worked just as well without the storytelling aspect.

Can someone answer me this because I think I must have sneezed or something and missed it. How did Tonto get out of jail at the beginning. The kid asked him that, but I didn't get his response.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I got a free pass to see this last night and I still feel ripped off. First of all, I will admit I have like no knowledge of the Lone Ranger character as I am 25 so it was before my time. But this movie is pretty bad and a waste of 2 hours and 30 mins. My main complaint is with the run time, it's completely too freaking long did Gore learn nothing from Pirates 2 and 3? Stuffing the movie with a convoluted plot and characters to pad the run time doesn't make it better.

The tone is also an issue with it having dark elements and then goofy humor. It just doesn't mesh well. The only decent thing about this is a few action scenes and Johnny Deep as a few funny moments. But honestly, he is just playing Jack Sparrow as a Native American. Other than that this is nonsense and it definitely doesn't make the Lone Ranger cool or relevant.

6/10 and that solely for a few action scenes and Johnny Deep.

Something about that rings odd to me. Im 32, just a couple years older, but I grew up on Lone Ranger. The TV show reruns (which still air every day), the 80's movie, cartoon, comic books. Know who the Phantom is or are you as out of your depth with that too?

 

[Warhammer]

So they make the Lone Ranger a fool for most of the movie?

 

[terry78]

He doesn't become the true ranger until like the last hour maybe.

 

[ThePhantasm]

So they make the Lone Ranger a fool for most of the movie?

Basically yeah. Even in the final scene.

 

[Tanin]

Something about that rings odd to me. Im 32, just a couple years older, but I grew up on Lone Ranger. The TV show reruns (which still air every day), the 80's movie, cartoon, comic books. Know who the Phantom is or are you as out of your depth with that too?

I'm 32 and while I know who the Lone Ranger is due to him being pop culture I have not seen, read, or heard anything starring him.

There is just so much to read and watch this is one character I never got to.
Phantom, yes I know of him and not just from the Zane film.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yeah I'm 28 and I literally know very little about the Lone Ranger. All I know is that The Lone Ranger is a Western about a guy in a mask and he has a Native American sidekick named Tonto. I literally didn't know a lick about his origin story or villains or even the Lone Ranger's real name. I couldn't even describe what the differences are between his movie costume and the original one. I'm a pop culture nut and even this character wasn't on my mind. 20 somethings are not being coy a lot of us literally know very little about the character and his world.

I hated Western's until a few years ago so maybe that has something to do with my ignorance?

 

[DACrowe]

All I know about the Lone Ranger is what A Christmas Story taught me. He is a Texas Ranger who wears a mask and saves the day on his white horse silver and with his best buddy, Native American Tonto.

Is there really much more? I guess I never knew that his brother was killed in an ambush he survived, but there is not really much more to the character than that.

 

[The Guard]

I thought the only Lone Ranger information in A Christmas Story was the name of his nephew's horse...

Oh, wait. The book.

 

[lespaul59]

Actually TLR is five years older than Superman and six years older than Batman. His outfit is light blue (or in some pictures Clayton Moore's outfit looks gray) and not black. The Lone Ranger also has a creed:

The moral code upheld by the masked man

"I believe that to have a friend, a man must be one.

That all men are created equal and that everyone has within himself the power to make this a better world.

That God put the firewood there but that every man must gather and light it himself.

In being prepared physically, mentally, and morally to fight when necessary for that which is right.

That a man should make the most of what equipment he has.

That 'This government, of the people, by the people and for the people' shall live always.

That men should live by the rule of what is best for the greatest number.

That sooner or later ... somewhere ... somehow ... we must settle with the world and make payment for what we have taken.

That all things change but truth, and that truth alone, lives on forever.

In my Creator, my country, my fellow man."

 

[Senator Pleasury]

So they make the Lone Ranger a fool for most of the movie?

Much in the way they did with Green Hornet.

 

[bullets]

All I know about the Lone Ranger is what A Christmas Story taught me. He is a Texas Ranger who wears a mask and saves the day on his white horse silver and with his best buddy, Native American Tonto.

Is there really much more? I guess I never knew that his brother was killed in an ambush he survived, but there is not really much more to the character than that.

Sounds about right. All I knew about the Lone Ranger was from references in Stephen King's It and there's been snippets of the tv show shown in other films. I knew less about The Green Hornet.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Something about that rings odd to me. Im 32, just a couple years older, but I grew up on Lone Ranger. The TV show reruns (which still air every day), the 80's movie, cartoon, comic books. Know who the Phantom is or are you as out of your depth with that too?

Rings odd? Very few people under 40 let alone 30 know much about the Lone Ranger aside from the title or maybe hearing the name tonto before.

That's pretty presumptuous of you to assume most millennials are very aware of 1930's pulp characters like the lone ranger or the phantom?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Actually TLR is five years older than Superman and six years older than Batman. His outfit is light blue (or in some pictures Clayton Moore's outfit looks gray) and not black. The Lone Ranger also has a creed:

The moral code upheld by the masked man

"I believe that to have a friend, a man must be one.

That all men are created equal and that everyone has within himself the power to make this a better world.

That God put the firewood there but that every man must gather and light it himself.

In being prepared physically, mentally, and morally to fight when necessary for that which is right.

That a man should make the most of what equipment he has.

That 'This government, of the people, by the people and for the people' shall live always.

That men should live by the rule of what is best for the greatest number.

That sooner or later ... somewhere ... somehow ... we must settle with the world and make payment for what we have taken.

That all things change but truth, and that truth alone, lives on forever.

In my Creator, my country, my fellow man."

That was actually Clayton Moore's personal creed for the character that he created with Fran Striker and Jay Silverheels. It's not a steadfast part of the mythology, it reflects the lessons they wanted to teach kids.

 

[ChickenScratch]

All I know about the Lone Ranger is what A Christmas Story taught me. He is a Texas Ranger who wears a mask and saves the day on his white horse silver and with his best buddy, Native American Tonto.

Is there really much more? I guess I never knew that his brother was killed in an ambush he survived, but there is not really much more to the character than that.

How about he is The Green Hornet's uncle? How the family got into newspapers and where ue got the inspiration to mask up.

 

[Poni_Boy]

No we didn't forget that part. The thing is that part wasn't the whole freakin' movie.

Actually if you rewatch Mask of Zorro you'll notice that Banderas' Alejandro is a buffoon for the first and second act of the movie (and called so several times by Hopkins who treats him with utter disdain even though he needs him -- like Depp's Tonto). It isn't until after Captain Love shows him his dead brother's severed head in a jar at the end of the second act the he truly becomes the serious Zorro. The exact same thing happened in Lone Ranger; Zorro just handled it better.

 

[Project862006]

so lone ranger bombed?

 

[Bruce Malone]

I believe people we're calling this a likely bomb all the way back in 2011 before production even started? I honestly think this is going to have ramifications on disney as a whole. I'm just not sure what they were thinking?

A lot of people got fired after John Carter went down. I can see disney retreating back into the general PG type films they used to put out before the first pirates and its pg-13 rating.

 

[Tanin]

How about he is The Green Hornet's uncle? How the family got into newspapers and where ue got the inspiration to mask up.

Didn't they have to not mention that in the recent Green Hornet film? Honestly it would of done that movie some good to have some back story as to why he chose the mask he did.

 

[jacobed]

Actually if you rewatch Mask of Zorro you'll notice that Banderas' Alejandro is a buffoon for the first and second act of the movie (and called so several times by Hopkins who treats him with utter disdain even though he needs him -- like Depp's Tonto). It isn't until after Captain Love shows him his dead brother's severed head in a jar at the end of the second act the he truly becomes the serious Zorro. The exact same thing happened in Lone Ranger; Zorro just handled it better.

He's not a buffoon, hes a theif who has absolutely no training and is learning new stuff. Like Tony Stark. Lone Ranger was already a ranger, not for very long but a ranger nonetheless, there's no reason for him to be so incompetent except for a joke. It's pathetic and one of the reasons this movie is a complete failure.

 

[Warhammer]

He doesn't become the true ranger until like the last hour maybe.

Basically yeah. Even in the final scene.

That's very disheartening for Lone Ranger fans. All 2 or 3 of them.

 

[Warhammer]

I believe people we're calling this a likely bomb all the way back in 2011 before production even started? I honestly think this is going to have ramifications on disney as a whole. I'm just not sure what they were thinking?

A lot of people got fired after John Carter went down. I can see disney retreating back into the general PG type films they used to put out before the first pirates and its pg-13 rating.

Here's something I posted about that in the old thread before it got closed. It's scary.

It's crazy. Disney has so much power, they can make a movie like John Carter and now a movie like The Lone Ranger and say "Eh, f*** it." They can essentially experiment with their films because Marvel, Pixar, and Star Wars will cover any and every loss. That is something that no major production company can even dream of doing at this point in time.