The Lone Ranger - Part 2

[Bruce Malone]

Here's something I posted about that in the old thread before it got closed. It's scary.

Yes and no on that. Here's the thing no business no matter how big likes to lose money. Regardless of other revenue streams losing money is still really frowned upon.

I don't think disney is going to be hurting but like i said, i think after Persia and Carter and this now, they've probably learned a lesson and that disney can't do big pg-13 blockbusters anymore.

I think this phase for disney barring the next POTC sequel is likely over. They'll still have marvel doing marvel and then Lucasfilm doing Star Wars etc. but the days of seeing the disney logo over its owns studio produced pg-13 blockbuster is probably over. I feel they will return back to purely G and PG as was their pre-pirates policy.

 

[Project862006]

funny wb was at one point like that with potter and nolan tdk trilogy

 

[ThePhantasm]

A lot of people got fired after John Carter went down. I can see disney retreating back into the general PG type films they used to put out before the first pirates and its pg-13 rating.

Disney still has Marvel and Star Wars. They'll be fine.

 

[chaseter]

I skipped this.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

48.9mil in five days is just terrible for a movie that cost 250mil to make. And it is about that budget, if the movie cost 100mil then that number would be nothing to panic over. It's only a terrible number in the context of it's enormous budget.

I stand by the fact that nobody ever knows what's going to be a hit and what isn't but man do I struggle to understand why Disney greenlit this movie? I understand risk and reward but nobody outside of Disney understood doing this film after Wild, Wild West and Cowboys and Aliens proved that not enough people see Westerns or genre bending Westerns to make up for a 200+mil budget. If they wanted to revive the character they should have made a much smaller film, focused on making it really good and releasing it in September or October.

 

[flickchick85]

So... this movie was a mess, imo. I don't want to post a barrage of negativity here since almost all the criticisms I have about it have already been said (especially by DACrowe), but yeah, wasn't a fan. I did like the last action sequence, though. From the moment the William Tell Overture kicked in, I was suddenly having a good time. Unfortunately, that was two-hours into the picture. Everything about the Lone Ranger character fell flat for me, including Hammer's performance. I continue to fail to see what other people see in that guy. Oh well. 5.5/10.

Sad thing is, I feel like there was a fun movie to be had here. If they had taken completely different approach to their hero and reigned in Depp and Verbinski's tendencies toward the bizarre a little bit, they could have had a great Lone Ranger franchise for a modern audience. Damn shame.

 

[Marvin]

This is why Disney continues to buy up and out successful live action franchises from other studios. Their in house stuff continues to under perform. A few years ago disney would have been without Marvel and Star Wars....They did have the pirates films though.

Tron
John Carter
etc.

This happened with their animation too, Pixar kept their brand alive. Oh well in 2015 people will again be talking about how Disney is running the game again.

 

[TanneRain]

It's really hard for me to leave a theater and think to myself, that was awful. I think I had the illusion that I was entertained when watching this film. When I left the theater, my first thought was "That wasn't good at all."

It felt they tried to transplant the Pirate movies to a different setting and it just didn't work. I'll need to watch it again, but man it had a bad first impression.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Didn't they have to not mention that in the recent Green Hornet film? Honestly it would of done that movie some good to have some back story as to why he chose the mask he did.

Would have been cool. But like the Green Hornet movie, this one seemed to go the comedic route, forus more on the sidekick and make a joke out of the hero ... so I guess they kept that similar.

But I think you saw a Lone Ranger clip on the TV and heard the theme for a moment in the Green Hornet movie. Nothing you would even catch if you were not paying close attention.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I liked The Green Hornet movie but it would have been better with Franco or someone else in the lead. Rogen is funny and fine in his comedies but he is a terrible dramatic actor. Everytime he has to really act outside of his pot smoking screw up character he just ****ing blows it. The man can't do drama well. I don't know if that's a popular opinion and I don't really care.

 

[TheVileOne]

Here's something I posted about that in the old thread before it got closed. It's scary.

Meh pretty expensive experiments.

 

[Victarion]

Any wendigos?

 

[Tony Stark]

The movie is ridiculously disrespectful toward the character of the lone ranger

How so? Because the changed the meaning of "kemosabe"?

The movie didn't do well at the box office, but I feel people are just taking the opportunity to dump on the film.

 

[Tony Stark]

This is why Disney continues to buy up and out successful live action franchises from other studios. Their in house stuff continues to under perform. A few years ago disney would have been without Marvel and Star Wars....They did have the pirates films though.

Tron
John Carter
etc.

This happened with their animation too, Pixar kept their brand alive. Oh well in 2015 people will again be talking about how Disney is running the game again.

Other than Pirates, and their animated ventures they've had little success. When Pirates came out they also made another movie based on one of their theme park rides, called "Haunted Mansion", only no one remembers that.

 

[Tony Stark]

So... this movie was a mess, imo. I don't want to post a barrage of negativity here since almost all the criticisms I have about it have already been said (especially by DACrowe), but yeah, wasn't a fan. I did like the last action sequence, though. From the moment the William Tell Overture kicked in, I was suddenly having a good time. Unfortunately, that was two-hours into the picture. Everything about the Lone Ranger character fell flat for me, including Hammer's performance. I continue to fail to see what other people see in that guy. Oh well. 5.5/10.

Sad thing is, I feel like there was a fun movie to be had here. If they had taken completely different approach to their hero and reigned in Depp and Verbinski's tendencies toward the bizarre a little bit, they could have had a great Lone Ranger franchise for a modern audience. Damn shame.

I said the exact same thing after watching Man of Steel, only substitute Verbinski and Depp for Snyder and Goyer.

 

[warhorse78]

Just watched it. I liked it. IT was great fun, and I love the duo of Hammer and Depp.

The hate the movie is getting is to much. Reading reviews it seems like this is the worst movie ever made. Critics hated the movie even before they saw it.

PS: Best horse in a movie, ever!

Eh, no way. Cassole from The Black Stallion, Justin who played Cisco in Dances with Wolves, and the two main horses in the Man from Snowy River movies say hi!

 

[flickchick85]

I said the exact same thing after watching Man of Steel, only substitute Verbinski and Depp for Snyder and Goyer.

Are you saying Snyder and Goyer have a penchant for going too bizarre? If anything, I feel like they could use a little MORE imagination and whimsy, not less. But I will say I was pleasantly surprised with Snyder's visual creativity employed in the realization of Krypton - that was almost Morrison-esque.

 

[Tony Stark]

Are you saying Snyder and Goyer have a penchant for going too bizarre? If anything, I feel like they could use a little MORE imagination and whimsy, not less. But I will say I was pleasantly surprised with Snyder's visual creativity employed in the realization of Krypton - that was almost Morrison-esque.

I think both film suffered from the same problem, too long, bad pacing, 2nd acts that nearly put you to sleep. That having said, I actually preferred the ending sequence in TLR to the disaster porn at the end of MoS.

Goyer was more of a problem than Snyder, Snyder is just really bad at pacing a movie.

The problem in this film is Depp wanted to make this the Tonto film. The flashback stuff didn't work at all.

 

[flickchick85]

I think both film suffered from the same problem, too long, bad pacing, 2nd acts that nearly put you to sleep. That having said, I actually preferred the ending sequence in TLR to the disaster porn at the end of MoS.

Goyer was more of a problem than Snyder, Snyder is just really bad at pacing a movie.

The problem in this film is Depp wanted to make this the Tonto film. The flashback stuff didn't work at all.

Oh, I thought you meant to literally replace "Depp and Verbinski" with "Goyer and Snyder" in that statement I made. Never mind.

I agree with MoS's pacing (and Snyder's in general - that's something I've always criticized about his movies), but I don't agree that the film was too long. It just needed to allocate less time to the final battle and more to the relationship-building. But just under 2.5 hours is, to me, the perfect length for a Superman origin story. If anything, I thought it could have been longer. It's certainly more justified at that length than the Lone Ranger's, since Supes' origin story spans decades and planets, while TLR's spanned...a few weeks? Overall though, pacing issues aside, MoS was a far more effective origin and satisfying experience for me for many other reasons.

 

[DACrowe]

Are you saying Snyder and Goyer have a penchant for going too bizarre? If anything, I feel like they could use a little MORE imagination and whimsy, not less. But I will say I was pleasantly surprised with Snyder's visual creativity employed in the realization of Krypton - that was almost Morrison-esque.

I think whimsy was more in need in The Lone Ranger, just a different kind. A sort of self-aware unapologetic Saturday matinee knowing wink and lightness effect.

I think even we, not big fans of the film, can agree the climax with the William Tell Overture was really fun. Why couldn't the whole film be just like that? It is the same with the Pirates movies. The first one is just really fun. Why did the sequels have to get bogged down in a mountain of exposition and dreary plotting? Just take us for a ride like Spielberg's Indiana Jones films, like the Mask of Zorro, like that oh-so-retroactively rare POTC film.

These should be whimsical and fun, but in a much more focused and restrained manner.

 

[flickchick85]

I think whimsy was more in need in The Lone Ranger, just a different kind. A sort of self-aware unapologetic Saturday matinee knowing wink and lightness effect.

I think even we, not big fans of the film, can agree the climax with the William Tell Overture was really fun. Why couldn't the whole film be just like that? It is the same with the Pirates movies. The first one is just really fun. Why did the sequels have to get bogged down in a mountain of exposition and dreary plotting? Just take us for a ride like Spielberg's Indiana Jones films, like the Mask of Zorro, like that oh-so-retroactively rare POTC film.

These should be whimsical and fun, but in a much more focused and restrained manner.

I'll agree with you there. TLR could've used more of a different brand of whimsy. As you say, the lighter kind. And yeah, that climax with the Overture was genuinely fun. I so wish the movie had more of that. The tone of Mask of Zorro would have been great for TLR, imo.

 

[jacobed]

How so? Because the changed the meaning of "kemosabe"?

The movie didn't do well at the box office, but I feel people are just taking the opportunity to dump on the film.

What? No I could careless about that. He was a complete idiot in the movie. He was more of an idiot than The Green Hornet

 

[Dave McFly]

I saw it this afternoon and some parts DID drag but all the action was great and I had such a kick hearing the 'theme' during the finale .

 

[roach]

How about he is The Green Hornet's uncle? How the family got into newspapers and where ue got the inspiration to mask up.

Actually he is the great uncle I think is the term....He is the son of the LR's nephew

 

[lespaul59]

How so? Because the changed the meaning of "kemosabe"?

The movie didn't do well at the box office, but I feel people are just taking the opportunity to dump on the film.

No Disney literally did this to TLR in the movie. And as I said before a lot of the humorhas no place in a LR movie. If TLR had the same tone as the MAsk of Zorro I would have loved it. I would love to see the reactions from people if Batman, Superman or Captain America got the same treatment that the LR get in this movie.