The Dark Knight The man who laughs: The Joker thread

[SalaciousVC]

All fanfilm Jokers look pretty bad. Thoughts?

WOW,putting Joker makeup on crap would look better

 

[Shoemeister]

And yet, most fans who say they want to see a "comic-accurate" Joker portrayed on screen fail to realize this is what they'd get.

Pretty much, yeah.

Or, at least, in the hands of lesser directors.

 

[Nivek]

Can anyone even apply make-up that doesn't look cheap when they lack a real budget? Cut them some slack,or show how it's done.

 

[Art Damage]

All fanfilm Jokers look pretty bad. Thoughts?

Not only do fanfilm Jokers look bad, apparently they have to act bad too...

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

All fanfilm Jokers look pretty bad. Thoughts?

I was trying to figure out who this Joker looked like (hint- Not the Joker!) when it finally came to me-

Evil Dead 2, Evil Ash.
http://www.horror-wood.com/EDEAD9.jpg

 

[Superhobo]

And yet, most fans who say they want to see a "comic-accurate" Joker portrayed on screen fail to realize this is what they'd get.

Well, no. Look at Nicholson. His was straight from the comics, design wise, and it was pert' good, I thought. Personally, I liked the Dead End Joker, as well as the Patient J Joker. I think the problem is, though, is that with a low budget, its hard to find good makeup and a good makeup artist; also, it's hard to find a way to make that purple jacket work.

 

[The Redux 714]

Well, no. Look at Nicholson. His was straight from the comics, design wise, and it was pert' good, I thought. Personally, I liked the Dead End Joker, as well as the Patient J Joker. I think the problem is, though, is that with a low budget, its hard to find good makeup and a good makeup artist; also, it's hard to find a way to make that purple jacket work.

Uhh...do what?

Some of us can do this rather easily. Unfortuneately, those of us that pull off the Joker look don't film ourselves.

 

[CaptainClown]

The fan film actors try and recreate the animated series which is like something you really can't do

 

[CaptainClown]

I think you could make something like the animated series but they are trying for the hamil voice and the mannerisms and it really doesn't work. If you can find someone recreate that then ya I will eat the hat I don't wear

 

[SpiderB]

The fan film actors try and recreate the animated series which is like something you really can't do

This is pretty much what I was getting at.

And personally, I've never found the Joker from the animated series to be scary or threatening at all. That slightly effeminate British accent (which most fans seem to love) just kills it for me. Matched with his already clean-cut and dandy appearance, he seems no more threatening than a male hairstylist.

I can't see even a professional actor managing to pull that off effectively on film.

 

[LexCorp]

This is pretty much what I was getting at.

And personally, I've never found the Joker from the animated series to be scary or threatening at all. That slightly effeminate British accent (which most fans seem to love) just kills it for me. Matched with his already clean-cut and dandy appearance, he seems no more threatening than a male hairstylist.

I can't see even a professional actor managing to pull that off effectively on film.

I agree but speaking as a male hairstylist I resent that.

 

[Ryudoz]

The fan film actors try and recreate the animated series which is like something you really can't do

Indeed. Trying to emulate someone and their performance, no matter how great it may have been, would only remind someone about the original performance.

Be original people. A character can be portrayed differently, yet still remain true to the character. It's called interpretation.

 

[LexCorp]

Not sure if this has been around yet but already the new film version of the Joker has had the art treatment done.....and I like it.

 

[SpiderB]

I agree but speaking as a male hairstylist I resent that.

I was just thinking, "maybe 'drag queen' would have been more appropriate..."

How's that?

 

[LexCorp]

I was just thinking, "maybe 'drag queen' would have been more appropriate..."

How's that?

I can live with that t:

 

[dark_b]

Not sure if this has been around yet but already the new film version of the Joker has had the art treatment done.....and I like it.

this was done by bermejo years ago.

 

[LexCorp]

this was done by bermejo years ago.

Interesting...still I like that there was this idea / version of tha Joker that kind of matches what has been done for the TDK.

 

[dark_b]

Interesting...still I like that there was this idea / version of tha Joker that kind of matches what has been done for the TDK.

i think visually nolans joker looks like a mix between bermejos joker and the 1# joker

 

[LexCorp]

i think visually nolans joker looks like a mix between bermejos joker and the 1# joker

I can see what you mean. Do you like the Nolan version?

 

[Nivek]

It can be done, some poster on here, name escapes me did a really great TDK Joker make up job for Halloween.

Well, the problem is, I'm am a make-up artist. And I can do that make-up on someone with common stuff (morticians wax, latex stipple, pancake and greasepaint) out of my kit in about 20 minutes. It isn't complicated, and I could do the same exact thing for next to no money.

Nicholson's make-up, however would require lifecasts, multiple molds, foam latex casting, body airbrush paint, ect. Alot, and I mean ALOT of time went into Nicholson's Jokerdesign and application than that goes into Ledgers Hoboker.

I wish Nolan was a bit more daring, but it makes anyone here sound pretty stupid to say Ledgers make-up looks better in any way, shape or form in regards SPFX wise.

I honestly think Ledgers design was designed that way for promotion and merchandising reasons. It's so simple in comparison to any real movie make-up level.

 

[dark_b]

I can see what you mean. Do you like the Nolan version?

i think he looks amazing. but if i would meet nolan i would slap him in the face.

make up????
f.... make up?

 

[LexCorp]

i think he looks amazing. but if i would meet nolan i would slap him in the face.

make up????
f.... make up?

Ahh I see the old make up or bleech face thing right? As I understand it the Nolan Joker has make up that is never removed...and becomes meshed with his skin...but not close enough for you I guess?

 

[uchiha_itachi]

All fanfilm Jokers look pretty bad. Thoughts?

i think he looks like Quentin Tarantino

 

[LexCorp]

i think he looks like Quentin Tarantino

Hey uchiha, hows things?

You know I don't think it's that bad.

 

[Bat-Mite]

I wish Nolan was a bit more daring, but it makes anyone here sound pretty stupid to say Ledgers make-up looks better in any way, shape or form in regards SPFX wise.

I honestly think Ledgers design was designed that way for promotion and merchandising reasons. It's so simple in comparison to any real movie make-up level.

]I seriously doubt that merchandising was the number one thing on the Nolan brothers' minds when they came up with their idea of how this Joker should look. If anything, it was probably the last thing on their mind. Also, just because something is prettier doesn't mean it's better. The Star Wars prequals were a lot prettier and better than the originals from a special effects POV, but that doesn't stop most people from liking the grittier originals more.

And as for daring... from what I've seen, most of the complainers wanted Heath to be a carbon copy of Jack's Joker. How would that have been the least bit daring if it's been done before? This design, however, has stirred up a LOT of controversy (see the makeup thread for reference). They definitely took a risk here, but I think it'll pay off in the end.