Marvel Films The Marvel Studios News and Discussion Thread

[psylockolussus]

Not all that far off from $300m! How much is Secret Wars’ budget going to be if Marvels is this high?

The Marvels probably had some covid related charges.

But Secret Wars should at least cost $250 million with a gigantic cast.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Secret Wars is gonna likely be closer to 500 mil, like IW and EG. I know someone said they cost about that much each, and Secret Wars is gonna be the same. If not, more expensive

 

[Filmfreak]

Were Infinity War and Endgame really half a billion each? Last I read they were in the range of 300-400 million. Not that this isn't a humongous number.

 

[Venom 1988]

Taking marketing costs into account, yea they definitly were.

 

[Iceman]

I wonder what the breakeven on Secret Wars will be then!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Were Infinity War and Endgame really half a billion each? Last I read they were in the range of 300-400 million. Not that this isn't a humongous number.

"I don’t know if these numbers have ever been accurately reported but in the case of Avengers: Endgame or Infinity War, each of those movies was $500 million plus. So this is an incredible amount of money that is being spent on these films."

 

[Link]

500 million for those films made sense, Marvel was at the top of the world. A lot would have to change for that kind of investment to make sense for any future Avengers film unless they bring some of the heavy hitters back through multiverse hijinks. If those actors are willing to return, that is.

 

[psylockolussus]

I can't wait to see the overall reception for The Marvels. If its a hit like Guardians 3, then that would really be beneficial for the 2023-24 projects in terms of buzz/goodwill.

I think its safe to say, 2023 is one of the worst years for Marvel Studios with the critical reception for Quantumania/Secret Invasion, the issue with Jonathan Majors, Victoria Alonzo suing Disney, the strikes delaying these projects again so soon after Covid and all these things happening in Disney.

The Marvels at this point should be winner at the boX office and critical reception. They need good news for the last 2 months of the year.

 

[Filmfreak]

I think it's safe to say that it's one of the worst years in superhero history in general, both from a critical and a commercial standpoint. And I don't even consider it a bad thing myself.

 

[Bayne]

I think it's safe to say that it's one of the worst years in superhero history in general, both from a critical and a commercial standpoint. And I don't even consider it a bad thing myself.

I'm gonna have to say no to it being anywhere close to one of the worst years in superhero history. Was there even a single year prior to the 2000s when more than one superhero movie was actually a big financial hit?

This year still had GotG3 and Across the Spider-verse. And even Ant-man still outgrossed a huge portion of the superhero movies ever made, despite the reviews, though its budget was too bloated to get a profit out of that.

 

[Filmfreak]

I'm gonna have to say no to it being anywhere close to one of the worst years in superhero history. Was there even a single year prior to the 2000s when more than one superhero movie was actually a big financial hit?

This year still had GotG3 and Across the Spider-verse. And even Ant-man still outgrossed a huge portion of the superhero movies ever made, despite the reviews, though its budget was too bloated to get a profit out of that.

Superman: The Movie and Batman '89 were humongous hits for the times they were out. Batman Forever and Superman II were also pretty big.

I'm judging according to where the genre and Hollywood is in general, alongside the volume of films that we're experiencing. So far we've seen five live action superhero films this year. One was a hit, the rest ranged from flop to one of the biggest bombs in Hollywood history. I'm also pretty sure we're going to see at least one more at the end of the year and I'm even more sure that we would have seen one next month too, if Sony hadn't delayed Kraven.

And the less we speak of quality, the better.

 

[Frodo]

I think it's safe to say that it's one of the worst years in superhero history in general, both from a critical and a commercial standpoint. And I don't even consider it a bad thing myself.

Yeah, I'd say it was one of the worst years as well.

97' was pretty bad too, with MIB being the runaway hit .

It was a different time to be sure, but 97' had Spawn, Batman and Robin, and Steel , with the Macarena ,playing on the radio ever 5 minutes.

 

[Iceman]

500 million for those films made sense, Marvel was at the top of the world. A lot would have to change for that kind of investment to make sense for any future Avengers film unless they bring some of the heavy hitters back through multiverse hijinks. If those actors are willing to return, that is.

I think it would be justified for Secret Wars, but a New Avengers with a normal amount of characters (like the first Avengers) would be less, like $350m or so maybe. I consider Infinity War, Endgame and Secret Wars as full universe events which are bigger even than standard Avengers films like 1 and AoU.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I'd say it was one of the worst years as well.

97' was pretty bad too, with MIB being the runaway hit .

It was a different time to be sure, but 97' had Spawn, Batman and Robin, and Steel , with the Macarena ,playing on the radio ever 5 minutes.

Back then it wasn't such an expectation for most CBMs to be good and popular. It's good that standards are higher now and people can't be bothered with standard fare anymore. Macarena lol - instead we have Taylor Swift now.

 

[Bayne]

Superman: The Movie and Batman '89 were humongous hits for the times they were out. Batman Forever and Superman II were also pretty big.

I'm judging according to where the genre and Hollywood is in general, alongside the volume of films that we're experiencing. So far we've seen five live action superhero films this year. One was a hit, the rest ranged from flop to one of the biggest bombs in Hollywood history. I'm also pretty sure we're going to see at least one more at the end of the year and I'm even more sure that we would have seen one next month too, if Sony hadn't delayed Kraven.

And the less we speak of quality, the better.

None of those hits came out in the same year, or even the same couple of years. And adjusted for inflation (using the inflation calculator), Superman 2 still made less than what GotG made and Batman Forever made less than Across the Spider-verse. Gotg and SV together easily outstrip even the massive 1.4b+ that Superman the Movie made adjusted for inflation, let alone the 1b+ of Batman 89. The fact that SV is animated is not at all relevant. In fact, that just makes its success even more impressive and the idea that superheros have hit a new low even more dubious.

Yes, DC has imploded and Ant-man bombed. But bombs were literally the norm for the superhero genre pre-2000.

As for quality, I'd take Quantumania over Superman the Movie and Batman Forever any day of the week. (And that's not to say Quantumania was a great movie, either). Hell, I'd probably take Black Adam over either of those, and I don't really ever plan on seeing Black Adam ever again.

 

[Filmfreak]

None of those hits came out in the same year, or even the same couple of years. And adjusted for inflation (using the inflation calculator), Superman 2 still made less than what GotG made and Batman Forever made less than Across the Spider-verse. Gotg and SV together easily outstrip even the massive 1.4b+ that Superman the Movie made adjusted for inflation, let alone the 1b+ of Batman 89. The fact that SV is animated is not at all relevant. In fact, that just makes its success even more impressive and the idea that superheros have hit a new low even more dubious.

Yes, DC has imploded and Ant-man bombed. But bombs were literally the norm for the superhero genre pre-2000.

As for quality, I'd take Quantumania over Superman the Movie and Batman Forever any day of the week. (And that's not to say Quantumania was a great movie, either). Hell, I'd probably take Black Adam over either of those, and I don't really ever plan on seeing Black Adam ever again.

You're comparing an era where the vast majority of superhero content was being held in a very low regard by society to a time where it is at an absolute high, making billions and dominating the box office every year.

Similarly you are comparing a time where we've had around 20 superhero flicks in the last three years (without even taking into account the countless TV shows) to a time prior 2000 where they didn't even have 20 theatrical superhero films overall. What's the point of saying that those successes were not in the same year with all these taking into account?

When someone is making an overall judgment over very different situations he makes it in relative, not absolute way. So at a time where studios throw more money and resources than in any other movie genre and audience loves them more than anything, to have a year where five live action superhero movies were released and 80% of them are box office and critical bombs (with more to come) certainly showcase one of the absolute worst years, yeah.

As for thinking Quantumania is better than Superman: The Movie, opinions are subjective, but that's certainly a take.

 

[Bayne]

You're comparing an era where the vast majority of superhero content was being held in a very low regard by society to a time where it is at an absolute high, making billions and dominating the box office every year.

Similarly you are comparing a time where we've had around 20 superhero flicks in the last three years (without even taking into account the countless TV shows) to a time prior 2000 where they didn't even have 20 theatrical superhero films overall. What's the point of saying that those successes were not in the same year with all these taking into account?

When someone is making an overall judgment over very different situations he makes it in relative, not absolute way. So at a time where studios throw more money and resources than in any other movie genre and audience loves them more than anything, to have a year where five live action superhero movies were released and 80% of them are box office and critical bombs (with more to come) certainly showcase one of the absolute worst years, yeah.

As for thinking Quantumania is better than Superman: The Movie, opinions are subjective, but that's certainly a take.

A) You're acting like the genre being held in low regard was some outside uncontrollable factor. The genre was just mostly ****. That's why people held it in low regard and that's why most superhero movies failed. These two things are directly connected to each other and the people making those movies back then carry just as much responsibility for that as MS does for Quantumania and WB does for the current state of the DCEU.

B) If you seriously think there weren't 20 theatrical superhero movies total prior to 2000, you're woefully uninformed. There weren't anywhere near 20 *good* superhero movies, but there were more than 20 total. In fact there were multiple superhero movie releases most years going back to at least 89 and a few years with multiple releases even earlier than that. As far as I can tell the last year a superhero movie wasn't theatrically released at all was 1988, and the last times before that were 1985, 1982 and 1979. It's only prior to 78 that it was normal for there to be no superhero movies released in theaters in most years.

And the point of saying those successes didn't happen in the same year is that you set the scope of the conversation at 'the worst year in superhero history'. So it's obviously ridiculous to say the pre-2000 era wasn't so bad because a movie released in 1978, one released in 1980, one in 1989 and one in 1995 were all succesful. They're literally decades apart, with lots of years in between in which not one single superhero release was actually successful (despite those years still having superhero movie releases).

C) How much money Marvel and DC have thrown at these current failures makes the situation worse for the companies themselves. It doesn't make those movies' level of failure worse compared to older movies which had lower budgets but also had much lower box office. They're still all failures, some spectular ones, some moderate ones.

D) Your insistence on counting movies that haven't even released yet in your assessment doesn't paint the rationality of your argument in a good light. I expect Aquaman to probably crash and burn like the rest of the DCEU, myself, but until it actually happens it would be absolutely ridiculous for me to include that as evidence of anything whatsoever.

E) As far as 'a year where five live action superhero movies were released and 80% of them are box office and critical bombs', let us look at 2004. A year with five live action superhero theatrical releases - 1 hit (SM2), and everything else grossed less than the Flash even adjusted for inflation. Hellboy is kind of a cult classic, but not exactly super popular. Blade Trinity, Catwoman and Punisher are famously hated.

Nobody's saying this is a great year. But trying to call it the worst year in the history of the genre is still ridiculous. There is still actual success in this year, and unlike 2004 or most of the years prior to 2000, that success is not limited to just one single film doing well (no matter how much you insist on trying to cut Spider-verse out of this conversation for no good reason whatsoever).

ETA: Found some weird errors in one of the sources I was looking at so I went back checked all the numbers against other sources. All the numbers I've used still seem to be right, but I did realize that The Incredibles also was a 2004 release so, for the moment at least, 2004 is actually a very similar year to this year, not really a worse one. We'll find out soon enough how Aquaman and The Marvels change that.

 

[Iceman]

Really need Marvels to be a bona fide hit to get this show properly back on the road. Guardians 3 was really good but for now at least more of a closer for the heroes (hopefully we do eventually get a bunch of them back/the future team) rather than building for the future.

 

[psylockolussus]

With the writers' strike resolved, I hope development for the MCU films are being fast tracked. However I do think these strikes (even if resolved) are still going to delay these projects by a couple of months. So I'm eXpecting new dates before 2024.

Also, the actors' strike is still ongoing, so who knows when will Thunderbolts/4/Deadpool finally progress.

 

[psylockolussus]

Marvel Confirms Carol Danvers’ Age in the MCU

Marvel confirms how old Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel is in the current timeline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

www.superherohype.com

 

[BoredGuy]

60+ is kind of vague, but it makes sense
bit of an odd piece of marketing by Marvel India though

 

[psylockolussus]

Deadpool 3 Might Not Make Its May 2024 Release Date

A new report states that Marvel Studios' Deadpool 3 will have a hard time hitting its May 2024 release date due to the strikes.

www.superherohype.com

Filming for Deadpool is already halfway done. So I'm hoping if the 1 remaining strike is resolved before November 2023, they could at least make it to Q4 of 2024 release. I also hope they already figured out which scenes to add/reshoot, as they are already behind schedule.

I don't really care for Deadpool the character, but I'm so here for the return of the X-Men. Its going to be 10 years neXt year, since Days of Future Past. Crazy!

 

[Superhero 101]

wow Days of Future past is gonna be 10 years that’s crazy still one of my top 10 favorite superhero films

 

[psylockolussus]

wow Days of Future past is gonna be 10 years that’s crazy still one of my top 10 favorite superhero films

I was so eXcited in that seeing film and I just turned 25 in that eXact month!

Crazy to say, that 2014 definitely feels a lot different now we are in 2023.

 

[Iceman]

wow Days of Future past is gonna be 10 years that’s crazy still one of my top 10 favorite superhero films

That’s gone so fast! It’s my overall favourite from the Fox films.