Marvel Films The Marvel Studios News and Discussion Thread

[BoredGuy]

DP3 doesn't bother me, they've been working on some elements of post throughout the strike, and if they have a plan to finish it efficiently, I have trust

But yeah, the reports about Cap 4 are pretty damn worrying. That one was supposedly finished and ready to go, so that test screenings have them this worried is a problem

 

[Gothamsknight]

It's interesting seeing where the MCU is at now. I've seen every MCU film in the theater, with the exception of Eternals and Quantumania. I'm really torn on whether to see The Marvels or not. I was split on Captain Marvel, but found it overall enjoyable, but i didn't finish Ms. Marvel. I, for one, am excited for

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the X-Men and seeing the fox unvierse interact with the MCU. It's fan service, sure, but I'm here for it and I can't wait for Deadpool 3. I have seen the post credits scene with beast and it did get me excited.

That being said, I just don't know if i should see The Marvels in theaters. Thor Love and Thunder really left a sour taste in my mouth, and some have said it's worse which I kinda find hard to believe. I actually preferred Quantmania to Love and Thunder honestly. Phase 4 has always had soem good films too though, and I don't think we should ignore that. No Way Home was fantastic, I loved MoM, and wakanda forever was good enough. It just seems like the momentum has slowed down though.

I also don't see the MCU as "doomed" just yet. I think some of their upcoming films are still gonna do well. Deadpool 3, fantastic four, etc, are all films I'm very much interested in and will be there day 1. I just don't think "mid tier" is gonna cut it for the GA anymore. Deadpool 3 currently being the only MCU film of 2024, imo, is a great thing and disney can go all in on the hype for that one. The MCU should do less now while focusing on their big films. It's only logical at this point. The reports of Cap 4 not doing well initially sucks, but I won't write it off just yet.

Also, that Loki finale was FANTASTIC. what a perfect character arc for that character and an example of character development done well.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

That being said, I just don't know if i should see The Marvels in theaters. Thor Love and Thunder really left a sour taste in my mouth, and some have said it's worse which I kinda find hard to believe. I actually preferred Quantmania to Love and Thunder honestly.

For what it's worth, I think The Marvels is easily the best one out of the three and it doesn't have anywhere near the cringe that those movies had (especially L&T).

 

[Gothamsknight]

For what it's worth, I think The Marvels is easily the best one out of the three and it doesn't have anywhere near the cringe that those movies had (especially L&T).

That's a relief to hear. Might check it out this afternoon.

 

[Iceman]

What I don't understand, if that's true, is what they're hoping to achieve by it. At this point it's a given that a film with Sam Wilson Captain America and a few Hulk characters appearing is not going to attract the audience that the movie needs to make a profit. Instead of leaving it be, they decide to do extensive reshoots to balloon the budget further and make it even more of a financial disaster? It seems both desperate and illogical.

Probably, but it's not like their other films are infamous for CGI supremacy.

I guess one aspect I would suggest also matters is a given film's impact on the overall MCU product and excitement for that. You can lose X amount on a film but the damage to all future films can go deeper. In the opposite way of how Iron Man 1 and Avengers 1 both made great money themselves, but also added much more value even beyond that to the potential future of the MCU. For eg if Iron Man had originally been a dud in testing and they spent a billion making it into the Iron Man we got, it would be money well spent even though the film would lose a ton itself, given the multi-billion dollar long term franchise it would help create.

 

[Filmfreak]

I guess one aspect I would suggest also matters is a given film's impact on the overall MCU product and excitement for that. You can lose X amount on a film but the damage to all future films can go deeper. In the opposite way of how Iron Man 1 and Avengers 1 both made great money themselves, but also added much more value even beyond that to the potential future of the MCU. For eg if Iron Man had originally been a dud in testing and they spent a billion making it into the Iron Man we got, it would be money well spent even though the film would lose a ton itself, given the multi-billion dollar long term franchise it would help create.

Theoretically you are very right in that thinking about a sort of investment that might stop further brand damaging. If that is the case and they lose more money but manage to protect the whole franchise by going further down the drain then it's definitely a smart move, because it plays the long game.

What disagreement I have comes from the fact that practically the vast majority of studio interfered movies are either better but still bad or more commonly worse than before. And there's a reason for that. Lack of coherence and focus, sloppy editing, two different types of vision usually come with the territory. Desperation and panic rarely lead to anything good.

 

[Iceman]

Theoretically you are very right in that thinking about a sort of investment that might stop further brand damaging. If that is the case and they lose more money but manage to protect the whole franchise by going further down the drain then it's definitely a smart move, because it plays the long game.

What disagreement I have comes from the fact that practically the vast majority of studio interfered movies are either better but still bad or more commonly worse than before. And there's a reason for that. Lack of coherence and focus, sloppy editing, two different types of vision usually come with the territory. Desperation and panic rarely lead to anything good.

Yeah, agreed, I wasn't contesting your point at all and reshoots are rarely a good sign - just adding that as the MCU can be a long term franchise, getting a quality perception/general audience excitement back would be worth a fortune even if it meant losing money over the next few films to achieve. It might not be the case here but I can only hope.

At least with everything outside Deadpool 3 now with a fair amount of time till release, they have enough time to make meaningful improvements if they fully recognise the urgency here (with even many comic fans feeling burnt out).

 

[TheVileOne]

You could just cancel Thunderbolts, Kang Dynasty, and Secret Wars, and then start over from scratch .

Also, they should just be making an X-Men movie now. MCU X-Men not this Multiverse/Fox-Verse bull schtick.

 

[Bayne]

I want to see the Thunderbolts. Yeah, I want to see the X-Men, too, but not at the expense of everything else.

If things really go defcon 1 then cancel Kang Dynasty, sure - although the logical move there would really be to just shift to a different idea of the next Avengers movie rather than randomly stop the most succesful movie series in history. The same goes for Secret Wars, with the extra issue that I don't think anyone at Disney would ever want to cancel that. They've clearly been angling for the ultimate nostalgic cameo superhero movie and there's every reason to believe that angle will still work, even if other movies are in trouble. Exactly what Secret Wars will be may shift around depending on how things go but I don't see any scenario in which it ever gets canceled.

 

[emielaen]

not this Multiverse/Fox-Verse bull schtick.

I think that is exactly what's gonna happen. They seem all in on using the multiverse gimmick to explain how everything exists. D3 will be about "killing" the Fox ****, but some sci-fi portal will remain and F4 will crawl through it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think that is exactly what's gonna happen. They seem all in on using the multiverse gimmick to explain how everything exists. D3 will be about "killing" the Fox ****, but some sci-fi portal will remain and F4 will crawl through it.

It's like Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon are writing The Multiverse Saga.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Cap 4 sounds like it's in big trouble. Marvel really needs to get back on the right road.

 

[Spider-Fan]

You could just cancel Thunderbolts, Kang Dynasty, and Secret Wars, and then start over from scratch .

Also, they should just be making an X-Men movie now. MCU X-Men not this Multiverse/Fox-Verse bull schtick.

They are not going to do that

 

[psylockolussus]

Sony has the June 27, 2025 date locked down so Spidey could slot in there.

Anyone besides me worried that Deadpool 3 will be a rushed mess (at least in terms of VFX) considering that they have only 8 months to finish filming and complete post-production?

The news that Cap 4 will need 4-5 months of reshoots because test screenings have gone badly doesn't fill me with confidence either.

They should take the time that they need. I'm surprised about the July date but we shall see.

Captain America 4, I was optimistic that it could open the summer, neXt year... so yikes to read rumours about the film and the 2025 move.

 

[psylockolussus]

At this point, Marvel Studios should cancel Thunderbolts as I still don't know why its so important for that to film. Fantastic 4 should proceed because its Fantastic 4 and I bet they would have a role in Secret Wars, which they should. I hope Armor Wars is canceled now.

If Wesley Snipes return for Secret Wars, it makes sense why they would want a new Blade released before Secret Wars so the two Blades could interact.

I'd cancel Brave New World too, if it wasn't filmed already. I think before Secret Wars, there should be another Avengers movie to properly set it up. If it involves Kang or another character, I'm not sure but Kang should remain and just get a new actor for the role.

The release order should be like this
2024: Deadpool
2025: Brave New World, Spider-Man, 4
2026: Dr. Strange, Avengers, Blade
2027: Black Panther, Avengers, Shang-Chi

Is Captain Marvel 3 even possible at this point?

 

[squeekness]

You know, Deadpool being Deadpool, if there was some questionable CGI in Deadpool 3, I wouldn't be surprised if the movie leaned into that. Heck, they could get away with it just like Wade calling out lazy writing in Deadpool 2. Something like 'Yeah, we didn't have time to finish this shot. Thanks, studios!'

That would be hilarious!

 

[psylockolussus]

As for the X-Men, save them post Secret Wars especially if we are getting new actors for these mutant roles eventually.

I'm curious how they will plan to get the audience back for Avengers 5 and 6. Deadpool should do well, so as Spider-Man at the boX office. But the rest including threequels for Dr. Strange/Black Panther could easily underperform like Captain Marvel. The best solution I can see right now is cancel some of the announced/reported projects and refocus on fewer ips.

Agatha, Echo, Daredevil Reborn, What If?, Thunderbolts, Brave New World and Armor Wars aren't gonna help the mcu in 2026/27 so less of those would help.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I just want them to wrap up the Multiverse storyline. It seems like we've been gearing up to the "main event" for like 6 years

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just want them to wrap up the Multiverse storyline. It seems like we've been gearing up to the "main event" for like 6 years

Part of that isn't Marvel Studios fault though. Covid slowed down a lot of releases and filming on projects, and the strikes are doing the same now. In reality, we're only on year 3 of actually seeing the content of the Multiverse Saga, and its supposed to wrap up in another 3/4. Which still would mean the Saga would be way shorter in real world time than the Infinity Saga was (2008-2019 aka 11 years)

 

[Primal Slayer]

Part of that isn't Marvel Studios fault though. Covid slowed down a lot of releases and filming on projects, and the strikes are doing the same now. In reality, we're only on year 3 of actually seeing the content of the Multiverse Saga, and its supposed to wrap up in another 3/4. Which still would mean the Saga would be way shorter in real world time than the Infinity Saga was (2008-2019 aka 11 years)

We've still had how many films/shows under this era?

 

[Spider-Fan]

We've still had how many films/shows under this era?

Yes, tons of projects. But it's only been real world time a couple of years. The quantity of projects doesn't really have anything to do with that. Most of the content addition has been shows. Movie wise, we have only had 11 movies, and we're into the 2nd phase of Saga. Perhaps there is a perception that we have been in this Saga longer cause of the shows, but this Saga is going to end up being a good 4 or 5 years shorter than the Infinity Saga was. It's already half over

 

[Primal Slayer]

Yes, tons of projects. But it's only been real world time a couple of years. The quantity of projects doesn't really have anything to do with that. Most of the content addition has been shows. Movie wise, we have only had 11 movies, and we're into the 2nd phase of Saga. Perhaps there is a perception that we have been in this Saga longer cause of the shows, but this Saga is going to end up being a good 4 or 5 years shorter than the Infinity Saga was. It's already half over

Those tons of projects matter though. With no bookends of a big team up film. So yes this saga may not be as long time wise but its a mess.

Infinity Saga had about what? 22 films? 4 of those being Avengers films.
Multiverse has 18 entries between movies and tv. 0 of these are Avengers films.

We need to wrap it up.

 

[DyeLorean]

Continuity and world-building is great as long as it leads into something. If not, why bother? It just gets in the way of good storytelling.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Those tons of projects matter though. With no bookends of a big team up film. So yes this saga may not be as long time wise but its a mess.

Infinity Saga had about what? 22 films? 4 of those being Avengers films.
Multiverse has 18 entries between movies and tv. 0 of these are Avengers films.

We need to wrap it up.

It ain't changing. Cry as many will, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are not going to be pushed up or rushed out. So everyone has to deal with this is the Saga we're stuck with and hope they can start making it more compelling in remaining installments. But they're not "wrapping it up" any sooner than they can

 

[Primal Slayer]

It ain't changing. Cry as many will, Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are not going to be pushed up or rushed out. So everyone has to deal with this is the Saga we're stuck with and hope they can start making it more compelling in remaining installments. But they're not "wrapping it up" any sooner than they can

Oh i know. And they're feeling it everywhere