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[Duran Man]

Marvel screwed up by not having planned out a more coherent and cohesive story arc after the conclusion of the Infinity Saga. The "Multiverse Saga" isn't working particularly because it seems they decided slapped that on the latest slate of movies and TV shows after the fact.

It was a point of criticism, but the Infinity Saga worked because each film was an important piece of the overall puzzle and each film (within each Phase and across the Phases) either built up to one that followed it or included characters and other elements that would pay off down the line. There was no such direction for the Phase 4 films and TV shows, and Phase appears to be continuing along the same lines.

 

[psylockolussus]

I blame Disney+ mostly and Disney's urge to use the Marvel brand to attract subscribers.

If Marvel Studios only focused on movies for phase 4 to 5, I bet a lot of these films would have been stronger.

 

[Iceman]

Recasting is definitely the best option. Simply writing the character out of the story would mean Kang remains permanently associated with Majors. Whereas if they recast him for the big Avengers movie, and if the new actor is able to make a strong enough impression with viewers, the new actor could easily usurp Major's as the main face of Kang in the public consciousness.

Yep, and Kang is an easier character than most to do this with given all the variants and naturally different looking appearances of them. The Kang in Kang Dynasty is the one that will really make the mark with the GA, much of who haven't seen Loki and a fair number of who didn't see Quantumania.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Deadpool turns out great and they have a killer 2025 movie line up. People would be welcoming to Kang in 2026.

Though The Disney+ slate is a lost cause imo. Echo, Agatha, What If?, X-Men '97, Spider-Man cartoon, Daredevil Reborn and Ironheart. Even if (a big if) they are all good, I don't see them driving people to watch the neXt Marvel movie in theaters. WandaVision/Ms. Marvel/Secret Invasion certainly didn't help The Marvels. 2/3 were fine at best.

 

[Venom 1988]

Though The Disney+ slate is a lost cause imo. Echo, Agatha, What If?, X-Men '97, Spider-Man cartoon, Daredevil Reborn and Ironheart. Even if (a big if) they are all good, I don't see them driving people to watch the neXt Marvel movie in theaters. WandaVision/Ms. Marvel/Secret Invasion certainly didn't help The Marvels. 2/3 were fine at best.

They don't need to drive people to the movies nor should they be trying to. The fact is they are not going to get the entire movie audience to watch the shows. That's never going to happen, even if the MCU had none of the issues the last few years. They just need to be good, complimentary shows, that are optional. Great to provide more insight in the MCU but not necessary in the grand scheme of things.

 

[LoganPool]

Ryan Gosling Is Reportedly In Talks For An Unknown Marvel Role [Rumor]

 

[Bayne]

Ryan Gosling Is Reportedly In Talks For An Unknown Marvel Role [Rumor]

Variant Deadpool. Ryan vs Ryan for the fate of the multiverse.

 

[psylockolussus]

I am ambivalent with both Ryan Reynolds and Ryan Gosling. Just meh for me.

 

[king666]

Reading all these rumors and honestly they should just reboot everything after Secret Wars.

 

[psylockolussus]

Reading all these rumors and honestly they should just reboot everything after Secret Wars.

I think after post-The Multiverse Saga, they should just focus on the X-Men and making sequels to the Fantastic Four, Blade, Shang-Chi, the Avengers and Spider-Man. Plus reboot Ghost Rider for the films.

A full on reboot is much a bigger task, especially some of these ips just joined or will be just joining the MCU full time, in the not so distant future.

 

[DyeLorean]

Yeah, lucky for them they still have Fantastic Four and X-Men (if they don't f them up) to keep the MCU fresh. Plus some good darker characters like Blade and Ghost Rider.
They could use a change in tone too. Love and Thunder, Quantumania, The Marvels, GOTG Vol 3 (to some extent)... were just too lighthearted and comedic, all in a row. Remember how badass Iron Man looked back in the day? The gritty WWII visuals from The First Avenger? Everything looks and feels kinda the same right now. They lost their freshness with each film.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think post-Multiverse saga would be the good time to go back on releasing 1 to 2 movies, IF they still plan to release 3-4 movies in 2025 up to the year when the Multiverse Saga ends (this includes Spider-Man movies that are co-produced by Disney).

I think its way too early to reboot Iron Man, Steve Rogers, the Avengers and the entire MCU. A lot of these MCU movies aren't even that old. Plus like i said, they still have other ips to utilize in the neXt several years.

 

[Venom 1988]

Exclusive: Marvel Studios' Next Story Arcs

Alex Perez breaks down Marvel Studios' plans for the future, detailing some of the story arcs Marvel plans to premiere in the next few years.

thecosmiccircus.com

So I'll preface this with saying, with everything else take this article with a grain of salt. Alex and Lizzie from CC are more often than not pretty accruate when it comes to leaks and bts info but you never know. And of course, plans always change. With some of these movies being years and years out, anything can change between now and then. Having said all that gonna try my best to summarize this article lol.

* Marvel is wanting to focus on quality not quantity. I know with so many projects coming up, it doesn't seem like it but I'll address that in a bit. Allowing directors/writers to tell the story they want while relaxing on connectivity with other MCU projects. "The goal is to develop projects that are well received and can stand out on their own, while also ensuring “rewatchability” amongst fans". Also wanting to tell more mature stories. Echo and Deadpool 3 are the testing grounds for TV-MA/R rated projects. This also includes Daredevil, Blade, Marvel Zombies and surprisingly Thunderbolts.

* A this point in time the plan is to NOT dump Kang but rather put him on the back burner and slowly build back up to him and the Multiverse stuff. Some sources say Kang may not even get addressed again until near the end of the Saga. If I had to guess they are probably doing this so 1.) people forgot about Majors 2.) have time to build up a more credible Kang and 3.) focus on all the other plot threads that haven't been dealt with thus far. Basically they still intend to close out the Multiverse Saga with Kang at the forefront, but it's gonna be while until that happens.

* It seems the idea is that they are going to stretch the saga out rather than rushing it, so they can focus on all the storylines all ready established while focusing on quality control. So while the Multiverse Saga is going to end later than intially planned, it seems they are going to have various mini arcs going on, all of which have already started due to all the various plot threads out there. Also as a result of the Multiverse getting stretched out longer, it seems they we may be getting proper MCU X-Men sooner (more on that in a bit).Based on what I'm about to list out I would not be surprised if Secret Wars is pushed to 2030. And if I had to guess, Kang Dynasty is basically becoming Secret Wars Pt1. Though I would not be surprised if we get a smaller scale Avengers or Avengers-esque movie before then.

* The arcs are as follows (I'm listing out all projects involved, even if they are already released):

*Kingpin/Devil's Reign (street level focus starting with Hawkeye, Echo, Daredevil: Born Again and ending with Spider-Man 4)
*Hulk/World War (Global scale focus; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Cap 4, Thunderbolts, possibly could lead to a World War Hulk movie that's basically Avengers 4.5)
* Iron Man Legacy (The ramifications of various tech out in the world, Damage Control is the unifying thread; Spidey Home trilogy, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Iron Heart and ending with Armor Wars.
* Young Avengers (not gonna list all the projects lol)
* Scarlet Witch (WandaVision, Agatha, Vision Quest and ending with a Scarlet Witch movie).
* Midnight Sons (Supernatural;Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night, Blade, Iron Heart, more Moon Knight and WbN, other tbd projects)
* X-Men/Mutants (X-Men '97, Deadpool 3 with this showhow laying the fondation for the proper MCU X-Men movie before Secret Wars. Another idea is possibly having an anthology type show focusing on different Mutants Also possible Avengers/X-Men movie).
* Not an arc, but basically saying hey Fantastic Four is still coming as well as development for sequels to Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi Black Panther, Thor, Eternals

And now I'm exhausted from writing all that lol.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Exclusive: Marvel Studios' Next Story Arcs

Alex Perez breaks down Marvel Studios' plans for the future, detailing some of the story arcs Marvel plans to premiere in the next few years.

thecosmiccircus.com

So I'll preface this with saying, with everything else take this article with a grain of salt. Alex and Lizzie from CC are more often than not pretty accruate when it comes to leaks and bts info but you never know. And of course, plans always change. With some of these movies being years and years out, anything can change between now and then. Having said all that gonna try my best to summarize this article lol.

* Marvel is wanting to focus on quality not quantity. I know with so many projects coming up, it doesn't seem like it but I'll address that in a bit. Allowing directors/writers to tell the story they want while relaxing on connectivity with other MCU projects. "The goal is to develop projects that are well received and can stand out on their own, while also ensuring “rewatchability” amongst fans". Also wanting to tell more mature stories. Echo and Deadpool 3 are the testing grounds for TV-MA/R rated projects. This also includes Daredevil, Blade, Marvel Zombies and surprisingly Thunderbolts.

* A this point in time the plan is to NOT dump Kang but rather put him on the back burner and slowly build back up to him and the Multiverse stuff. Some sources say Kang may not even get addressed again until near the end of the Saga. If I had to guess they are probably doing this so 1.) people forgot about Majors 2.) have time to build up a more credible Kang and 3.) focus on all the other plot threads that haven't been dealt with thus far. Basically they still intend to close out the Multiverse Saga with Kang at the forefront, but it's gonna be while until that happens.

* It seems the idea is that they are going to stretch the saga out rather than rushing it, so they can focus on all the storylines all ready established while focusing on quality control. So while the Multiverse Saga is going to end later than intially planned, it seems they are going to have various mini arcs going on, all of which have already started due to all the various plot threads out there. Also as a result of the Multiverse getting stretched out longer, it seems they we may be getting proper MCU X-Men sooner (more on that in a bit).Based on what I'm about to list out I would not be surprised if Secret Wars is pushed to 2030. And if I had to guess, Kang Dynasty is basically becoming Secret Wars Pt1. Though I would not be surprised if we get a smaller scale Avengers or Avengers-esque movie before then.

* The arcs are as follows (I'm listing out all projects involved, even if they are already released):

*Kingpin/Devil's Reign (street level focus starting with Hawkeye, Echo, Daredevil: Born Again and ending with Spider-Man 4)
*Hulk/World War (Global scale focus; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Cap 4, Thunderbolts, possibly could lead to a World War Hulk movie that's basically Avengers 4.5)
* Iron Man Legacy (The ramifications of various tech out in the world, Damage Control is the unifying thread; Spidey Home trilogy, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Iron Heart and ending with Armor Wars.
* Young Avengers (not gonna list all the projects lol)
* Scarlet Witch (WandaVision, Agatha, Vision Quest and ending with a Scarlet Witch movie).
* Midnight Sons (Supernatural;Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night, Blade, Iron Heart, more Moon Knight and WbN, other tbd projects)
* X-Men/Mutants (X-Men '97, Deadpool 3 with this showhow laying the fondation for the proper MCU X-Men movie before Secret Wars. Another idea is possibly having an anthology type show focusing on different Mutants Also possible Avengers/X-Men movie).
* Not an arc, but basically saying hey Fantastic Four is still coming as well as development for sequels to Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi Black Panther, Thor, Eternals

And now I'm exhausted from writing all that lol.

I honestly wouldn't hate this. Letting Kang simmer and letting Secret Wars have a bit more time is wise. As is the mini-arcs. Also, World War Hulk which is like a mini Avengers event or like a Civil War level thing? Yes please! I want my Hulk movie!

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Marvel is wanting to focus on quality not quantity.

As opposed to what?? Because as far as I can tell, both they and many in the fandom still consider the array of Phase 4 projects as quality. You'd think quality over quality would be the objective from the start.

 

[Venom 1988]

As opposed to what?? Because as far as I can tell, both they and many in the fandom still consider the array of Phase 4 projects as quality. You'd think quality over quality would be the objective from the start.

Not sure what you're trying to get at. Phase 4 was a mixed bag. Some great, some good, some ok and some bad. I don't doubt they were striving for quality but for various reasons (like increase in projects) they dropped the ball.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Not sure what you're trying to get at. Phase 4 was a mixed bag. Some great, some good, some ok and some bad. I don't doubt they were striving for quality but for various reasons (like increase in projects) they dropped the ball.

My point is if they want to focus on quality instead of quantity now, what in the world were they focusing on before? Just throwing anything at a wall and hoping it sticks? It's not like Marvel Studios underwent some massive leadership changes until maybe Victoria Alonso was fired, so not like there was someone telling them to change things up- and no, I don't even lay that at the feet of Chapek either since he would've been overseeing all of Disney, not just Marvel Studios.

 

[DyeLorean]

There are so many projects in development I don't understand how that's not quantity.

 

[Bayne]

Exclusive: Marvel Studios' Next Story Arcs

Alex Perez breaks down Marvel Studios' plans for the future, detailing some of the story arcs Marvel plans to premiere in the next few years.

thecosmiccircus.com

So I'll preface this with saying, with everything else take this article with a grain of salt. Alex and Lizzie from CC are more often than not pretty accruate when it comes to leaks and bts info but you never know. And of course, plans always change. With some of these movies being years and years out, anything can change between now and then. Having said all that gonna try my best to summarize this article lol.

* Marvel is wanting to focus on quality not quantity. I know with so many projects coming up, it doesn't seem like it but I'll address that in a bit. Allowing directors/writers to tell the story they want while relaxing on connectivity with other MCU projects. "The goal is to develop projects that are well received and can stand out on their own, while also ensuring “rewatchability” amongst fans". Also wanting to tell more mature stories. Echo and Deadpool 3 are the testing grounds for TV-MA/R rated projects. This also includes Daredevil, Blade, Marvel Zombies and surprisingly Thunderbolts.

* A this point in time the plan is to NOT dump Kang but rather put him on the back burner and slowly build back up to him and the Multiverse stuff. Some sources say Kang may not even get addressed again until near the end of the Saga. If I had to guess they are probably doing this so 1.) people forgot about Majors 2.) have time to build up a more credible Kang and 3.) focus on all the other plot threads that haven't been dealt with thus far. Basically they still intend to close out the Multiverse Saga with Kang at the forefront, but it's gonna be while until that happens.

* It seems the idea is that they are going to stretch the saga out rather than rushing it, so they can focus on all the storylines all ready established while focusing on quality control. So while the Multiverse Saga is going to end later than intially planned, it seems they are going to have various mini arcs going on, all of which have already started due to all the various plot threads out there. Also as a result of the Multiverse getting stretched out longer, it seems they we may be getting proper MCU X-Men sooner (more on that in a bit).Based on what I'm about to list out I would not be surprised if Secret Wars is pushed to 2030. And if I had to guess, Kang Dynasty is basically becoming Secret Wars Pt1. Though I would not be surprised if we get a smaller scale Avengers or Avengers-esque movie before then.

* The arcs are as follows (I'm listing out all projects involved, even if they are already released):

*Kingpin/Devil's Reign (street level focus starting with Hawkeye, Echo, Daredevil: Born Again and ending with Spider-Man 4)
*Hulk/World War (Global scale focus; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Cap 4, Thunderbolts, possibly could lead to a World War Hulk movie that's basically Avengers 4.5)
* Iron Man Legacy (The ramifications of various tech out in the world, Damage Control is the unifying thread; Spidey Home trilogy, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Iron Heart and ending with Armor Wars.
* Young Avengers (not gonna list all the projects lol)
* Scarlet Witch (WandaVision, Agatha, Vision Quest and ending with a Scarlet Witch movie).
* Midnight Sons (Supernatural;Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night, Blade, Iron Heart, more Moon Knight and WbN, other tbd projects)
* X-Men/Mutants (X-Men '97, Deadpool 3 with this showhow laying the fondation for the proper MCU X-Men movie before Secret Wars. Another idea is possibly having an anthology type show focusing on different Mutants Also possible Avengers/X-Men movie).
* Not an arc, but basically saying hey Fantastic Four is still coming as well as development for sequels to Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi Black Panther, Thor, Eternals

And now I'm exhausted from writing all that lol.

Why would Iron Heart be part of the Midnight Sons?

 

[emielaen]

There are so many projects in development I don't understand how that's not quantity.

I think someone posted a screenshot of Iger saying the same thing in 2020 a while back lol they can try and focus on quality, which every exec will say, but they're not gonna slow production down.

 

[DyeLorean]

Another thing is, they have too many characters now. Unless they team up, the gap between appearances is getting too big for audiences to care.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Another thing is, they have too many characters now. Unless they team up, the gap between appearances is getting too big for audiences to care.

I mean, how long have many people been asking for a Shang-Chi 2 at this point? Sure, it wasn't that long ago, but there's been a lot of characters and both movies and shows since then that it feels like longer because the universe is getting bigger.

 

[Venom 1988]

There are so many projects in development I don't understand how that's not quantity.

If I had to guess, given some of the talking points, it's because not all of these things are coming out in the next 4 years. If the end of the Saga is being pushed out, I feel like this is for the next 8-10 years. And if that's actually the case, the amount of projects seems a bit more reasonable.

Another thing is, they have too many characters now. Unless they team up, the gap between appearances is getting too big for audiences to care.

Totally agree. Marvel shot themselves in the foot by not ending Phase 4 with an Avengers movie (or at the very least some type of team up movie). But it seems like we will being getting something like that in the works. But how long till that happens remains to be seen I guess.

Why would Iron Heart be part of the Midnight Sons?

Not Iron Heart specifically, but the supernatural stuff featured in the show. I assume the show was listed because The Hood is in it and it's rumored that

Spoiler

Mephisto is the one who gives him powers.

 

[psylockolussus]

There are so many projects in development I don't understand how that's not quantity.

Yup. Devil's Reign, Midnight Sons, Young Avengers, World War Hulk, Iron Man Legacy. IF those are still supposed to happen and end before The Multiverse Saga wraps, and I fear a lot of those projects wouldn't be successful either at the boX office/streaming figures, just like The Marvels and Secret Invasion. It is simply too much.

I would hate to see them drag Secret Wars/multiverse story arc til 2030 because Armor Wars, a solo Scarlet Witch movie, Midnight Sons (to name a few) need to happen first. How are they supposed to budget/market those dozen of projects when The Marvels barely hit $200 million worldwide?

 

[Duran Man]

Exclusive: Marvel Studios' Next Story Arcs

Alex Perez breaks down Marvel Studios' plans for the future, detailing some of the story arcs Marvel plans to premiere in the next few years.

thecosmiccircus.com

Spoiler

So I'll preface this with saying, with everything else take this article with a grain of salt. Alex and Lizzie from CC are more often than not pretty accruate when it comes to leaks and bts info but you never know. And of course, plans always change. With some of these movies being years and years out, anything can change between now and then. Having said all that gonna try my best to summarize this article lol.

* Marvel is wanting to focus on quality not quantity. I know with so many projects coming up, it doesn't seem like it but I'll address that in a bit. Allowing directors/writers to tell the story they want while relaxing on connectivity with other MCU projects. "The goal is to develop projects that are well received and can stand out on their own, while also ensuring “rewatchability” amongst fans". Also wanting to tell more mature stories. Echo and Deadpool 3 are the testing grounds for TV-MA/R rated projects. This also includes Daredevil, Blade, Marvel Zombies and surprisingly Thunderbolts.

* A this point in time the plan is to NOT dump Kang but rather put him on the back burner and slowly build back up to him and the Multiverse stuff. Some sources say Kang may not even get addressed again until near the end of the Saga. If I had to guess they are probably doing this so 1.) people forgot about Majors 2.) have time to build up a more credible Kang and 3.) focus on all the other plot threads that haven't been dealt with thus far. Basically they still intend to close out the Multiverse Saga with Kang at the forefront, but it's gonna be while until that happens.

* It seems the idea is that they are going to stretch the saga out rather than rushing it, so they can focus on all the storylines all ready established while focusing on quality control. So while the Multiverse Saga is going to end later than intially planned, it seems they are going to have various mini arcs going on, all of which have already started due to all the various plot threads out there. Also as a result of the Multiverse getting stretched out longer, it seems they we may be getting proper MCU X-Men sooner (more on that in a bit).Based on what I'm about to list out I would not be surprised if Secret Wars is pushed to 2030. And if I had to guess, Kang Dynasty is basically becoming Secret Wars Pt1. Though I would not be surprised if we get a smaller scale Avengers or Avengers-esque movie before then.

* The arcs are as follows (I'm listing out all projects involved, even if they are already released):

*Kingpin/Devil's Reign (street level focus starting with Hawkeye, Echo, Daredevil: Born Again and ending with Spider-Man 4)
*Hulk/World War (Global scale focus; The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Cap 4, Thunderbolts, possibly could lead to a World War Hulk movie that's basically Avengers 4.5)
* Iron Man Legacy (The ramifications of various tech out in the world, Damage Control is the unifying thread; Spidey Home trilogy, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Black Panther 2, Secret Invasion, Iron Heart and ending with Armor Wars.
* Young Avengers (not gonna list all the projects lol)
* Scarlet Witch (WandaVision, Agatha, Vision Quest and ending with a Scarlet Witch movie).
* Midnight Sons (Supernatural;Moon Knight, Werewolf by Night, Blade, Iron Heart, more Moon Knight and WbN, other tbd projects)
* X-Men/Mutants (X-Men '97, Deadpool 3 with this showhow laying the fondation for the proper MCU X-Men movie before Secret Wars. Another idea is possibly having an anthology type show focusing on different Mutants Also possible Avengers/X-Men movie).
* Not an arc, but basically saying hey Fantastic Four is still coming as well as development for sequels to Doctor Strange, Shang-Chi Black Panther, Thor, Eternals

And now I'm exhausted from writing all that lol.

This is too damn much. They really should have put aside most of the Avengers-esque characters, delayed introducing more obscure ones (ex. Shang-Chi, Eternals, etc.), and done FF and X-Men.