the massive plothole thread

[VenomVsSpidey]

Why would you watch that?

I was like...10 when it first came out...I saw it again recently for...well, I don't know..It's forever etched into my brain.

 

[Franklin Richards]

the eye of sauron would have shot the eagles out of the sky

If I remember right from the books...the eagles were very independant...they only helped him when they wanted to...he didn't control them.

I can see that. How bout having no guards at Mount Doom? Seems like it's kinda important.

 

[Travesty]

I was like...10 when it first came out...I saw it again recently for...well, I don't know..It's forever etched into my brain.

I find it funny that you feel the need to explain yourself for watching Home Alone 4.

 

[C. Lee]

I can see that. How bout having no guards at Mount Doom? Seems like it's kinda important.

Guess he figured a couple hundred thousand orcs, goblins, murderous humans, some giant man eating spiders, and hundreds of miles of barren wasteland getting there was enough. Kind of like the Maginot Line of Middle Earth.

 

[Franklin Richards]

In a magical world where magicians disappear into shadow and elves have capes that make them camoflauged?

I think I'd stick a couple of orcs at the only place where I can be truly defeated.

 

[C. Lee]

Matbe he did...and Gollum came along and ate them.

 

[Franklin Richards]

That wanker? Not likely.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I find it funny that you feel the need to explain yourself for watching Home Alone 4.

It's that bad that you will find yourself wondering why though....

 

[LOBO3315a]

That wanker? Not likely.

Yes, it was well documented that Smegol can and did kill and eat Orcs when he had the Ring. Chances are, if there were guards, he could have killed them.

Here's a way to look at it. Sauron's defenses were based on an attack from Humans and Elves. He didn't account for Hobbits, because they are virtually unknown to all but the Ainur and the Humans that live near them. This was mainly due to the fact that Hobbits are a very secretive Race, not prone to going on adventures and whatnot.

Hobbit's stamina are 2nd only to the Dwarves. This means they can endure a lot of pain and suffering, and for far longer than an Elf or a Human. This means that unless a Human or Elven army marched on Mt Doom (like was shown in Fellowship) it was nearly impossible for anyone but a Dwarf or a Hobbit to reach it alone.

And Sauron's final defense was the will of the Ring itself. It would not allow Itself to be thrown in the lava, as was shown when Frodo finally succumbed to It. It was purely by accident that the Ring did fall into the lava. and it was because of Smeagol's desire of the Ring that did so, not because it was cast away.

Regardless, its not a plot hole. It makes perfect sense for Sauron to do as was shown, if you know a little about his reasoning and character. He figured no one would kill themselves to be rid of the Ring. So why post guards?

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Hi,

Robocop ( the first one ) : why ED-209 weapons were loaded for the demo ?

 

[Wolfwood]

Considering they built a faulty robot, I think we can chock that one up to them just being plain ol' dumb.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

As much as I love the films...

SW:
If the Death Star is THE ULTIMATE WEAPON why the hell does it have an exhaust port that leads DIRECTLY to the core reactor!?

ESB:
How does Vader not know that Luke is his son!? I mean his last name's Skywalker, and if he's supposed to be the most powerful in the force, shouldn't he have realized this before Palpatine!? WTF!?

ROTJ:
If that was the Empire BEST Legion, why was it defeated by a handful of Ewoks?! Honestly... an army of endless battle droids, the surviving Jedi, the rebels, all the smugglers... you're telling me they couldn't defeat the empire in those 25 years of terror!?

And WHY THE HELL would they put ANOTHER core reactor if that was the flaw of the first Death Star!? Just put a bunch of reactors around the Death Star, internally and externally.

And if the Death Star was fully operational, why didn't it and the Star Destroyers, and the Super Star Destroyers just obliterate the Rebel ships!?

TPM:
Who the hell is Qui-Gon!? Obi-Wan was supposed to be trained by YODA!!!
Why was Anakin "too old"!? Anakin was the right age, OBI-WAN was supposed to be too old...

AOTC:
The Kamino plot just has way too many plot holes to count...

ROTS:
When Dooku said "the senate is being controlled by a Sith Lord", any fool would realize Palpatine was Sidious, let alone any Jedi... let alone YODA!!!!!


Ok, I'm done...

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

As much as I love the films...

SW:
If the Death Star is THE ULTIMATE WEAPON why the hell does it have an exhaust port that leads DIRECTLY to the core reactor!?

Ultimate weapon doesn't mean flawless, also it was a very hard shot, Luke did it with the help of the Force

ESB:
How does Vader not know that Luke is his son!? I mean his last name's Skywalker, and if he's supposed to be the most powerful in the force, shouldn't he have realized this before Palpatine!? WTF!?

Vader didn't know the young rebel that destroyed the Death Star was name Skywalker in ANH. He learned that at the beginning of ESB when the Emperor told him that the offspring of Anakin Skywalker was their new enemy. At that time we didn't know that Vader was Anakin Skywalker.

ROTJ:
If that was the Empire BEST Legion, why was it defeated by a handful of Ewoks?! Honestly... an army of endless battle droids, the surviving Jedi, the rebels, all the smugglers... you're telling me they couldn't defeat the empire in those 25 years of terror!?

We only saw the Ewoke battle but if I'm not mistaken more rebels were involved in the ground battle.
Also the smugglers didn't care as long as they could make business.

And WHY THE HELL would they put ANOTHER core reactor if that was the flaw of the first Death Star!? Just put a bunch of reactors around the Death Star, internally and externally.

The flaw wasn't the core reactor but the exhaust port

And if the Death Star was fully operational, why didn't it and the Star Destroyers, and the Super Star Destroyers just obliterate the Rebel ships!?

The Emperor held the Star Destroyers back to make Luke angry thus making him fall to the Dark Side

ROTS:
When Dooku said "the senate is being controlled by a Sith Lord", any fool would realize Palpatine was Sidious, let alone any Jedi... let alone YODA!!!!!

Palpatine was a Master Sith and they ( Sith ) have a way to hide their true nature ( the "mask" skill ).

 

[xwolverine2]

Just finished watching Out Of Time starring denzel...
huuge plot-hole = the guy he killed on the balcony.. there must be finger-prints everywheree!.. and its completely ignored like he never killed the guy.

 

[TheShah]

This isn't a plot hole, it's poor judgment. People do more risky things in real life.

I'm not sure about the science on this, but even if you're right it's not a plot hole, it's bad science.

A plot hole is a detail in a movie that compromises the plot or premise of the movie. For example, in Transformers 2, the decepticons use a piece of the Allspark to bring Megatron back to life. Sam also has a piece of the allspark; but when Optimus Prime dies he needs the Matrix of Leadership to bring him back to life? Why couldn't he just use the Allspark?

That contradicts the entire premise of the movie.

In the beginning of Transformers 2, we see Sam moving for college, and the Allspark becomes DISLODGED from (I assume) the sweater/hoodie he was wearing on the first movie, burns through the floor causes ALL his **** in the house to go haywire.

This starts a chain of events that cause the Decepticons to become aware of the piece, and go on a massive hunt for it.
Even when it's locked up in a facility, the Decepticons are able to find it (spying on satellitte comms I think?) and send their Cheetah-bot to infitrate the facility.

I don't know how much times passed between the first and 2nd movie; BUT, how the **** did the allspark not affect other machines before becoming dislodged from the hoodie? What kind of protective properties did that hoodie have that it prevented the thing from detection + contained its powers for that time period??

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I saw it.

 

[TheShah]

I guess time travel is the biggest plot hole. If you have time travel then no rules apply. If someone dies just go back in time. If something is wrong go back in time and change it. My favorite use of this is in the bill and ted movies. They just call out items they need and they appear. They also state not to forget to go back and leave the items so they will appear when needed. So anytime time travel is used the whole movie is a plot hole. Since there are no rules nothing should threaten the hero if he can just travel to a point in time and fix it.

Time travel has rules.
The most predominant one is to NOT do it, since the mere presense of someone from the future, might alter the past, in untold ways.
So to do it repeatedly for the sake of convenience becomes even more dangerous as it's not that simple.

Everytime you go back in time to change something, you run the risk of a) running into yourself from the time before, or b) altering something that alters the circumstances of you coming back any of the first times, that leads you to not have to go back multiple times in the first place.
(yes , I realize that was confusing as ****, couldn't think of a hypothetical scenario.)

And really, citing BILL AND TED as a serious movie with plotholes?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Ultimate weapon doesn't mean flawless, also it was a very hard shot, Luke did it with the help of the Force

You can't justify this. This is one of the most famous plot holes. I'm the biggest SW fan you'll ever meet, and I can still accept its errors.

Vader didn't know the young rebel that destroyed the Death Star was name Skywalker in ANH. He learned that at the beginning of ESB when the Emperor told him that the offspring of Anakin Skywalker was their new enemy. At that time we didn't know that Vader was Anakin Skywalker.

Ok, but that still doesn't explain how Vader couldn't sense it before Palpatine. Vader's much stronger in the force - even Palpatine said it.

We only saw the Ewoke battle but if I'm not mistaken more rebels were involved in the ground battle.
Also the smugglers didn't care as long as they could make business.

The ewoks were facing a Legion of Palpatine's best. He said it himself. The original plan was to make them Wookies - which made much more sense, but they wanted to make it more kid friendly.

And I didn't say the smugglers were at war with the Empire, but they were worried. If a handful of Ewoks could take down the best Stormtroopers, then a couple tie fighters and stormtroopers would be the least of a smuggler's worries.

The flaw wasn't the core reactor but the exhaust port

If there wasn't a core reactor, the Death Star wouldn't have blown up. That exhaust port could've been there, the problem was that they had ONE reactor which was an explosive core. It's like if the USA had ONE giant Nuclear Power plant in the middle of the country which powered the entire nation - it's stupid.

The Emperor held the Star Destroyers back to make Luke angry thus making him fall to the Dark Side

I'm not an idiot - I understand his motives, but killing all of Luke's friends would have made him more pissed. If he witnessed all of his friends dying, he would've gotten so much more angry.

Palpatine was a Master Sith and they ( Sith ) have a way to hide their true nature ( the "mask" skill ).

Hiding their true nature is one thing, but when a Sith Lord TELLS YOU that the SITH ARE RULING THE SENATE you should know... especially when a diplomat makes himself a dictator and gets himself involved with the decisions and policies of the Jedi Council.


You can't argue this **** with me. Star Wars is what made me a nerd.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

ESB:
How does Vader not know that Luke is his son!? I mean his last name's Skywalker, and if he's supposed to be the most powerful in the force, shouldn't he have realized this before Palpatine!? WTF!?

I'm guessing this is a fault with the special edition, since the original version goes a little like this.

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[chaseter]

In the beginning of Transformers 2, we see Sam moving for college, and the Allspark becomes DISLODGED from (I assume) the sweater/hoodie he was wearing on the first movie, burns through the floor causes ALL his **** in the house to go haywire.

This starts a chain of events that cause the Decepticons to become aware of the piece, and go on a massive hunt for it.
Even when it's locked up in a facility, the Decepticons are able to find it (spying on satellitte comms I think?) and send their Cheetah-bot to infitrate the facility.

I don't know how much times passed between the first and 2nd movie; BUT, how the **** did the allspark not affect other machines before becoming dislodged from the hoodie? What kind of protective properties did that hoodie have that it prevented the thing from detection + contained its powers for that time period??

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a while since I saw it.

I think the bigger question is why didn't they use the shard to revive Optimus if the Decepticons used the other shard piece to revive Megatron.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

You can't justify this. This is one of the most famous plot holes. I'm the biggest SW fan you'll ever meet, and I can still accept its errors.

That is your point of view and I accept it but I don't agree with it. Nothing is 100% perfect, the port was small and protected by laser turrets, the Death Star engineers didn't thought about an improbable attack by small fighters on this part.

Ok, but that still doesn't explain how Vader couldn't sense it before Palpatine. Vader's much stronger in the force - even Palpatine said it.

I don't recall that the Emperor said so, as far as I am concerned he is much more powerfull than Vader at least in Force control and high ranked skill.

The ewoks were facing a Legion of Palpatine's best. He said it himself. The original plan was to make them Wookies - which made much more sense, but they wanted to make it more kid friendly.

I know about the Wookie stuff, I am not convinced about the kid friendly part, I thought it was a budget / consistency matter since the action take place on Endor and not Kashyyyk. Anyway, it doesn't bother me that much.

And I didn't say the smugglers were at war with the Empire, but they were worried. If a handful of Ewoks could take down the best Stormtroopers, then a couple tie fighters and stormtroopers would be the least of a smuggler's worries.

I didn't sense this smuggler's worries in the OT.

If there wasn't a core reactor, the Death Star wouldn't have blown up. That exhaust port could've been there, the problem was that they had ONE reactor which was an explosive core. It's like if the USA had ONE giant Nuclear Power plant in the middle of the country which powered the entire nation - it's stupid.

Well, a fusion reactor can explode if you destroy the power regulator I imagine ( in a scifi setting )

I'm not an idiot - I understand his motives, but killing all of Luke's friends would have made him more pissed. If he witnessed all of his friends dying, he would've gotten so much more angry.

Relax, I didn't say you were an idiot. Palpatine plan was to kill them all but not too fast, like a good old torture process. The Emperor was also over confident.

Hiding their true nature is one thing, but when a Sith Lord TELLS YOU that the SITH ARE RULING THE SENATE you should know... especially when a diplomat makes himself a dictator and gets himself involved with the decisions and policies of the Jedi Council.

I guess you are referring to Dooku but did he proclaimed himself a Sith in the PT did he ? Anyway, it is a plot hole because of the weak PT scripts.
Palpatine managed to be elected Hight Chancellor by using democratic ways and subtle manipulation of the Senate and maybe the Force too ( I guess )

You can't argue this **** with me. Star Wars is what made me a nerd.

Oh yes I can, I will just not do it extensively because it is a futile exercise and I am not here for a verbal joust but a friendly chat

Note : my answers are mostly based on my knowledge of the OT, the role playing books ( the old ones ).

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I'm guessing this is a fault with the special edition, since the original version goes a little like this.

[YT]rKtciRCVpFE[/YT]

No, I'm talking about the originals.

I don't recall that the Emperor said so, as far as I am concerned he is much more powerfull than Vader at least in Force control and high ranked skill.

He says Vader is more powerful than himself and Yoda right before he pulls out his lightsaber in ROTS - maybe it's a plothole in ROTS, but I doubt it considering Sidious never realized how Vader wanted to overthrow him. Vader is more powerful - only difference is that he cannot use some physical force powers because of his robotic arms.

I know about the Wookie stuff, I am not convinced about the kid friendly part, I thought it was a budget / consistency matter since the action take place on Endor and not Kashyyyk. Anyway, it doesn't bother me that much.

It was originally supposed to be on Kashyyk, but it was a matter of making it more kid friendly. In terms of budget, it would have cost the same - costumes, and "tree-houses".

I didn't sense this smuggler's worries in the OT.

"That's the real trick, isn't it?" It's a worry - it's also why they charge more.

Well, a fusion reactor can explode if you destroy the power regulator I imagine ( in a scifi setting )

They could still have multiple small ones instead of one giant one.

Relax, I didn't say you were an idiot. Palpatine plan was to kill them all but not too fast, like a good old torture process. The Emperor was also over confident.

Killing them all at once would've been more effective.

I guess you are referring to Dooku but did he proclaimed himself a Sith in the PT did he ? Anyway, it is a plot hole because of the weak PT scripts.
Palpatine managed to be elected Hight Chancellor by using democratic ways and subtle manipulation of the Senate and maybe the Force too ( I guess )

They figured out he was a Sith at the end of AOTC - the audience joins Windu, Yoda and Obi-Wan's convo where they talk about it... they mention all the clues and say "...the Dark Side is hiding ****".

Oh yes I can, I will just not do it extensively because it is a futile exercise and I am not here for a verbal joust but a friendly chat

Note : my answers are mostly based on my knowledge of the OT, the role playing books ( the old ones ).

For me, first and foremost is the OT, then the PT and then the EU. I know it all, but the OT comes first. That doesn't mean it isn't flawless.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

No, I'm talking about the originals.

It's never stated in the original versions when Vader figured out Luke was his son. He does, however, know his last name is Skywalker at the very beginning of the movie.

"That is the system, and I'm sure Skywalker is there with them."

 

[Alchemyst]

I think the bigger question is why didn't they use the shard to revive Optimus if the Decepticons used the other shard piece to revive Megatron.

Why does every robot that is created through the Allspark come out automatically hostile?

Also, if Bumblebee was finally able to talk at the end of the first film, why is reverted back to using sound clips in the second one?

 

[Hound55]

why does every robot that is created through the allspark come out automatically hostile?

Also, if bumblebee was finally able to talk at the end of the first film, why is reverted back to using sound clips in the second one?

Thank you!

 

[Mace Dolex]

The Star Wars movies have too many plot holes that it starts to hurt my head such as why Obi Wan doesn't remember ever owning R2-D2 in ANH and how R2-D2 is able to fly in the prequels but loses that ability in the OT.

In Superman II: The Donner Cut at the end when Superman has turned back time and the Phantom Zone villians go back to their prison how is the scene with the bully at the diner supposed to fit in?