the massive plothole thread

[JAK®]

that was BEYOND idiotic. what, because superman soaks up some sun he can lift a CONTINENT made of kryptonite?! there were shards of kryptonite growing beside his HEAD for pete's sake.

You know, whenever people bring this up, they always forget that he actually died afterwards. It wasn't like he did it no problem.

It's a typical 'hero defies odds' scenario. He gets a power boost, gives up all his strength to lift the island, dies.

 

[The Joker]

I think harry making a deal with ock is the plothole

Why?

ock throwing a car at the person he wants to capture isn't, that seems pretty much in character to me.

Ok, first of all Ock didn't want to capture Peter. He wanted him to find Spider-Man for him. No matter what way you swing it there was no logical reason for him to hurl a car at a guy he needed alive.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

The precogs having a vision being the entire cause of their vision seemed like a massive plothole the first time I watched Minority Report.

 

[SuperFerret]

The precogs having a vision being the entire cause of their vision seemed like a massive plothole the first time I watched Minority Report.

That's more a circular plot than a plot hole. It's like that episode of Futurama where Fry becomes his own grandfather, which resulted in his unique brainwave pattern, which is why the Nibblonians decided to have him frozen, which allowed him to go to the future and then accidently go back in time to become his own grandfather.

 

[marvelman2006]

I got one,

transformers 1 - bumblebee can talk normally again

transformers 2 - hes back to talking by using the radio

so what happened? dont say ethier it was explained in a prequel novel.



also a side plothole, in jumper how come when hayden was fighting in the coliseum when he gets pulled down by force and falls like 40 feet he just shakes it off and keeps fighting but when a paladin gets thrown down 15 feet he dies?

 

[Thundarr]

This is a plothole for a TV show, not a movie, but I thought I'd add it anyway. I've just finished watching Dexter Season 4. In the last episode or two when The Trinity Killer looks up Dexter's address on the internet and breaks into Debra's apartment (Dexter's old place). Police officers have unlisted phone numbers and addresses specifically to prevent criminals from seeking personal retribution. Granted, Dexter isn't a cop, he's a CSI. But being the brother of a cop, the adopted son of another cop, and his extra curricular activities, he'd likely take the same precaution.

 

[BestGirl]

It's been a while since I've seen this movie, so I'm fuzzy on the details, but I think I remember a plot hole from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Indy and Salah get captured by the Nazis and Indy's put in that snake pit. He breaks out and find Salah, who's mysteriously free. Wouldn't the Nazis still have him in custody? Maybe I'm just remembering it wrong.

 

[spider-neil]

Why?



Ok, first of all Ock didn't want to capture Peter. He wanted him to find Spider-Man for him. No matter what way you swing it there was no logical reason for him to hurl a car at a guy he needed alive.

my point is, doc didn't NEED peter alive, the plain fact of the matter is he can and should have beaten the tridium out of harry.

doc must have seen peter in the cafe window and flung the car at peter, he then went 'oh crap!' but the car missed peter so he was like 'meh, no biggie', if the car had HIT peter, ock would have been like 'meh, no biggie'

peter wasn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things because at any time ock could have forced harry to give him what he needed.

 

[The Joker]

my point is, doc didn't NEED peter alive, the plain fact of the matter is he can and should have beaten the tridium out of harry.

That's not a plot hole. The fact that Ock chose to accept Harry's deal doesn't contradict anything in the movie.

doc must have seen peter in the cafe window and flung the car at peter, he then went 'oh crap!' but the car missed peter so he was like 'meh, no biggie', if the car had HIT peter, ock would have been like 'meh, no biggie'

So the story you're trying to sell me is that Ock went to the trouble of tracking down Peter after agreeing to Harry's deal, he saw Peter in the cafe, threw the car at him, and then realized he made a mistake by doing that?

No offense, I've heard some apologist excuses in my time, but that one takes the cake

 

[Doctor Jones]

In Raiders, Indy and the government didn't need to do a damn thing. First of all, they were digging in the wrong place, so they could have actually just left it the hell alone for them to waste millions of dollars and time. If they did find it, I presume they would have opened it with the entire Third Reich there. The open the Ark, and bam the war is over.

And in Inception. No ****ing way could Arthur bind everybody together, get them all to the elevator, getting out of it, setting up the charges and then going back in and then WAIT for the kick in three minutes. All in zero gravity. No way.

 

[batman11]

And in Inception. No ****ing way could Arthur bind everybody together, get them all to the elevator, getting out of it, setting up the charges and then going back in and then WAIT for the kick in three minutes. All in zero gravity. No way.

And yet...he did.

t:

 

[SuperFerret]

Didn't he miss the first kick and thus get more time?

 

[Theweepeople]

I don't consider these to be gigantic plotholes but, I would like to hear opinions on them.

Aliens

1. What happened to the one operational flame thrower that Hicks mentioned after assessing the dire situation of the destroyed dropship. That flame thrower wasn't seen in use during the alien attack in the colony complex. Wouldn't Gorman have preferred to use that weapon over a pistol?

2. During the Alien attack in the colony complex Ripley easily finds a way for the remaining survivors to escape the horde through a tunnel that was inexplicably not barricaded like all the other barricades that were set up.

 

[spider-neil]

That's not a plot hole. The fact that Ock chose to accept Harry's deal doesn't contradict anything in the movie.



So the story you're trying to sell me is that Ock went to the trouble of tracking down Peter after agreeing to Harry's deal, he saw Peter in the cafe, threw the car at him, and then realized he made a mistake by doing that?

No offense, I've heard some apologist excuses in my time, but that one takes the cake

look at the joker in TDK, 'I don't want to kill you, what would I do without you'

well, you could have fooled me, Mr. J.
villians have no value on human life even if they like the person or need the person.

 

[Excel]

"The Joker set up the entire car chase/somehow knew Gordan wasnt dead/Dent wasnt Batman/knew the helicopters would come/crash/knew exactly what cars were gonna do/knew Batman wouldnt be busy. He planned to be caught!".

 

[spider-neil]

"The Joker set up the entire car chase/somehow knew Gordan wasnt dead/Dent wasnt Batman/knew the helicopters would come/crash/knew exactly what cars were gonna do/knew Batman wouldnt be busy. He planned to be caught!".

it's true, the joker's plan is so intricate and complex with so many interdependencies it is a little ridiculous, and no one is going to tell me joker wasn't trying his best to kill batman.

 

[Eggyman]

...but it isn't a plthole. It's stretching the bounds of belief, but it isn't a plothole.

 

[spider-neil]

not a plot hole, but two-face...


so...

if one you guys on the forum lost their girlfriend/wife/loved one and had half your face burnt off...would you go on a killing spree?


look at green goblin and doc ock and even venom and goblin jnr, within the context of the movie their descent into villiany makes sense.

 

[Eggyman]

I suppose you wouldn't really know until half your face was dog food. Still, it isn't a plothole. That's a character choice you don't find believable.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Having watched Salt 2 days ago , there are 2 scenes that just don't do it for me

1 Salt is a terror suspect. Ever watched terror suspects being arrested and taken away. They're blindfolded and their handcuffed with their arms behind their back. Does that happen to Salt ?...NOooo


2 When she escapes at the end she jumps into the river. Now we can clearly see that it'll take her some time to swim to shore. And we also know that it's freezing cold . Does nobody watch the discovery channel. Jumping into freezing water means that you have a very limited time before hypothermia sets in and you basically die from the cold. Yet she makes it to the shore

 

[Ipodman]

Yea what the Joker does is his choice... he might seem like he was killing Batman but he wouldnt have

 

[Theweepeople]

"The Joker set up the entire car chase/somehow knew Gordan wasnt dead/Dent wasnt Batman/knew the helicopters would come/crash/knew exactly what cars were gonna do/knew Batman wouldnt be busy. He planned to be caught!".

I never got the impression the Joker knew Gordon wasn't dead. He tried to kill Gordon at the funeral and was clearly surprised when Gordon showed up after he chased Harvey Dent.

I'm also not seeing all these other plot holes in The Dark Knight. The Joker knew some of these things because he had ties to the mafia. This was established way early into the film. The mafia had connections everywhere in a very corrupt city. The Joker exercised these connections who knew about the helicopters and were prepared to take them done.

The Joker didn't know Dent wasn't Batman until the Batmobile showed up. His expression after the Batmobile takes some of the Joker's goons in the trash truck tells it all. That's when the Joker decides to try and blow up the police truck dent was in because he knows Dent is totally expendable at this point.

I think that part of the Joker's original plan was of course to have one of his connections in the police give him Lau. The other part was to capture Dent alive and torture him by making Dent believe he and Rachel would both die(Rachel's death was obviously planned in advance because the Joker gave the wrong directions to Batman on purpose).

If the Joker stuck to his original plan and Dent turned out to be Batman he would have probably let Dent escape after Rachel was killed. Nobody was 100% sure Harvey was telling the truth and I'm sure the Joker had told his henchmen that his scheme could be slightly altered if Dent was lying and if he got captured. All bets were off after the joker and some of his goons were captured but, he still wanted Dent to survive so he told Batman the wrong information so Harvey might survive and suffer loss. Dent surviving just wasn't a priority anymore since he wasn't Batman.

Commissioner Gordon saying the Joker wanted to get captured after he escaped was merely his assessment of the whole chaotic mess.

I know every movie has plotholes but, I didn't think this film had many that can't be explained away with some reasoning. Another plothole I've heard is how did the joker's henchmen rig the two boats leaving Gotham with explosives and prevent the passengers from knowing about them. It took me 2 minutes to come up with an explanation for that one but, I'm going to let people try and reason through it on their on. It's not much of a plothole in my opinion.

 

[Theweepeople]

it's true, the joker's plan is so intricate and complex with so many interdependencies it is a little ridiculous, and no one is going to tell me joker wasn't trying his best to kill batman.

I didn't believe this until the very end of the film when he's about to tell Batman how he got his scars. During the chase scene he could have fired his rocket launcher at the batmobile but, instead fired it at the armored police vehicle and ended up hitting the batmobile by accident. When the Joker is shooting at the Batpod he either has terrible aim or is merely toying with Batman to try and get him to hit him. Maybe that's how the Joker wanted to die. Being killed by a worthy nemesis who was the antithesis of everything he stood for. The Joker laughing while falling towards death until Batman saved his ass proved that he wasn't afraid of dying.

 

[Warhammer]

I didn't believe this until the very end of the film when he's about to tell Batman how he got his scars. During the chase scene he could have fired his rocket launcher at the batmobile but, instead fired it at the armored police vehicle and ended up hitting the batmobile by accident. When the Joker is shooting at the Batpod he either has terrible aim or is merely toying with Batman to try and get him to hit him. Maybe that's how the Joker wanted to die. Being killed by a worthy nemesis who was the antithesis of everything he stood for. The Joker laughing while falling towards death until Batman saved his ass proved that he wasn't afraid of dying.

I agree completely. He wanted to die because he'd "win." He'd corrupt Batman by making him break his no killing rule, which goes all the way back to why Batman never joined the League of Shadows in the first place.

 

[Travesty]

...but it isn't a plthole. It's stretching the bounds of belief, but it isn't a plothole.

There's many potholes within The Joker's plan.

Take for instance the whole 'bomb in the belly'. Now, first of all, it's a bit of a stretch to know that Joker already put a bomb in someones stomach, because they knew they would get caught. Sure, I'll give 'ol psychic Joker that one. But the very act, of him knowing that it would be his 'ticket out' is beyond ridiculous. He needs to blow it up, by using his 'phone call'. Guess what, you aren't entitled to a phone call by law, that is all made up. But again, I'll stretch that one as well, and give it to 'ol psychic Joker. BUT, the very fact that he was using that, to kill everybody aorund him, and get Lau out of jail ALIVE(so he can get the money), is a bit much. So you're telling me, that Joker knew the the blast would kill EVERYBODY in the jail, besides him and Lau? And how did The Joker blow up cops that were standing IN FRONT of him, when the blast came from BEHIND? If the blast killed the cops, don't you think it would have taken The Joker out as well?

And again, if you go back to the actual definition of a plothole, it says:

...These include such things as unlikely behavior or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.

Trust me, The Jokers plan falls into a lot of these.