the massive plothole thread

[Travesty]

Well, what do you expect to happen? You guys act like it's the first bank heist scene where the getaway vehicle doesn't care about the civilian traffic.

Expect what happen? Nothing. It worked out for the movies sake, but what this thread calls for, is to call out plotholes, which is what we are doing.

I don't find it realistic in MANY aspects.

 

[Eggyman]

Well, what do you expect to happen? You guys act like it's the first bank heist scene where the getaway vehicle doesn't care about the civilian traffic.

Was that to me? If so, I've never mentioned a word about it. Hence 'you guys' should be 'those guys'.

 

[Brother Jack]

Really? We've devolved to traffic patterns and driving habits?

Yep.

 

[Majik1387]

It's to the ones who seriously find it to be a plot hole.

 

[misjuevos]

I guess time travel is the biggest plot hole. If you have time travel then no rules apply. If someone dies just go back in time. If something is wrong go back in time and change it. My favorite use of this is in the bill and ted movies. They just call out items they need and they appear. They also state not to forget to go back and leave the items so they will appear when needed. So anytime time travel is used the whole movie is a plot hole. Since there are no rules nothing should threaten the hero if he can just travel to a point in time and fix it.

 

[Travesty]

In a way yeah, it's better to be driving behind a reckless driver than to be in front of them.

The reason why The Joker got away, was because he was in a perfect line of buses, so the cops never even saw him. You're saying, the best/most common sense way to protect a bus full of kids from a bank robber(or drunk driver for all the driver knows), is to follow so closely and precisely behind the bus to let them get away, knowing that sirens are going off in the background, and cops showing up RIGHT when the other bus JUST came out of the banks wall? The bus full of kids doesn't even stop when the cops show up, knowing that the bus just wrecked threw the wall.....right

The whole bus thing is so illogical and unrealistic, I'm still shocked how you're still saying it isn't a plot hole.

 

[Eggyman]

In the grand scheme of things, though, it's a bus in a line of traffic... It's just a f***ing bus. Am I the only one to see this? There's plenty more to go at than questioning the motives of that dastardly bus driver who follows Joker.

 

[chaseter]

wasnt there some hot air around him going up?

It is steam because it is cold outside, but not enough to lift a 250lb man with armor. My point was to not show plot holes/inconsistencies...my point was to show that if you want to find stupid crap in a movie to show that the movie is terrible because you don't like it...anybody can do it.

If you want to say SM2 is terrible because it didn't explain how Peter found Doc Ock's lair, well then how did Joker find the mob boss meeting? It is stupid stuff like that.

 

[The Joker]

If you want to say SM2 is terrible because it didn't explain how Peter found Doc Ock's lair, well then how did Joker find the mob boss meeting? It is stupid stuff like that.

Word on the street. Underworld connections etc. Joker's been around since the end of Batman Begins. Joker also implies he knows they've been meeting like that in broad daylight ever since Batman started clamping down on them.

Harry knowing where Ock is hold up still makes no sense. There's no way he could have known.

 

[Travesty]

In the grand scheme of things, though, it's a bus in a line of traffic... It's just a f***ing bus.

Of course it is, but the point is how conveniently and precisely it got into a line of other buses(that aren't affiliated with Joker), all while driving away from a massive whole that it created in the bank, with rubble coming off of it. If it was just a regular bus, merging into a line of other buses without driving away from an obvious crime, then sure, it wouldn't be a big deal. But, it was so obviously driving away from a scene of a crime, while cops are rushing towards the area.

 

[chaseter]

It's one schoolbus that exited into a pack of schoolbuses, that if you followed the viral marketing you'd know were being driven by Joker's men. After which all of those buses could either branch off and go separate ways while Joker makes his way to the hide-out.

"There are schoolbuses all over town."
"Look for the one we can't see!"

It's one school bus with debris on top of it, a line of dust trailing form it, and scratch marks and dents in the rear from backing up and crashing through a wall. Not that hard to notice in a line of pristine school buses. If you have 20 Lambos lined up and one hit a deer...would you be able to pick it out of the crowd?

I mean look at all the school bus drivers, no one thought it was weird that a school bus drove out of a big hole in a bank and got in line with the other buses? Nobody outside saw it?

But, it really isn't a plot hole...it is a convenience which doesn't make the movie worse. I accepted it because superhero movies are fantastical. I mean if we all want to get critical, we can pick apart every movie ever made.

 

[Majik1387]

In the grand scheme of things, though, it's a bus in a line of traffic... It's just a f***ing bus. Am I the only one to see this? There's plenty more to go at than questioning the motives of that dastardly bus driver who follows Joker.

But, it really isn't a plot hole...it is a convenience which doesn't make the movie worse. I accepted it because superhero movies are fantastical. I mean if we all want to get critical, we can pick apart every movie ever made.

Thank you.

If you want to say SM2 is terrible because it didn't explain how Peter found Doc Ock's lair, well then how did Joker find the mob boss meeting? It is stupid stuff like that.

Word on the street. Underworld connections etc. Joker's been around since the end of Batman Begins. Joker also implies he knows they've been meeting like that in broad daylight ever since Batman started clamping down on them.

Harry knowing where Ock is hold up still makes no sense. There's no way he could have known.

This thread ceased to be about plotholes and just turned into more fanboy nitpicking.

 

[chaseter]

Word on the street. Underworld connections etc. Joker's been around since the end of Batman Begins. Joker also implies he knows they've been meeting like that in broad daylight ever since Batman started clamping down on them.

Harry knowing where Ock is hold up still makes no sense. There's no way he could have known.

So if Joker has connections, Harry Osborn and Oscorp can't?

You sound so desperate to beat down on one movie while clenching the other close to your heart for safe keeping. I guess your username and avatar kinda reiterate that point.

 

[Travesty]

But, it really isn't a plot hole...it is a convenience which doesn't make the movie worse. I accepted it because superhero movies are fantastical. I mean if we all want to get critical, we can pick apart every movie ever made.

Actually, by definition, it is a plot hole. I also like this quote at the end of the definition:

The viewing or reading audience notes a plot hole when something happens during the story that seems highly unlikely, or would be impossible to imitate in real life. It is usually seen as a mark of good writing or directing when a storyteller presents a story in such a way that the audience does not notice plot holes, or willingly chooses to overlook them in favor of enjoying the story.

And I feel like the last part, is what most of you are doing, just "willingly overlooking" them.

This thread ceased to be about plotholes and just turned into more fanboy nitpicking.

I'm pretty sure that this is still about plot holes. It's just some people don't want to believe some/most of them.

 

[spider-neil]

This thread ceased to be about plotholes and just turned into more fanboy nitpicking.

c'mon, that not nitpicking, that's huge

(minute one)

* bus drives into building - we wont call it a bank as it's not wired to any alarms and the police aren't called by the bank personally

* joker exits bus and shots man

(minute two)

* after panic and confusion of the impact dies down bystanders on the street call the police and ambulance as a SCHOOL BUS has collided with a building

* joker puts smoke bomb in mob bank tellers mouth

(minute three)

* joker exits building

* police and rescue services are closing in on building

(minute four)

???

I'm sorry but that is huge.

 

[The Joker]

So if Joker has connections, Harry Osborn and Oscorp can't?

The Oscorp that was ruined after Ock's failed experiment?

You sound so desperate to beat down on one movie while clenching the other close to your heart for safe keeping.

Shows what you know. Spider-Man 2 is, and always has been my second favorite comic book flick after TDK.

I just don't look at Spider-Man 2 through rose colored glasses. There was goofs and illogical errors. Some were minor, some were big, like the two I mentioned, some I think were subjective, like Ock being able to take all the physical punishment he did without losing consciousness (I put that down to him having A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system).

I guess your username and avatar kinda reiterate that point.

My username here was Doc Ock from 2003-2007. Ask anyone who knew from then. Doc Ock is my second favorite comic book villain. Look at my Ock collection:

That photo is autographed by Alfred Molina himself, too. So don't accuse me of personal bias

 

[chaseter]

Travesty, I don't think it is a plot hole. A plot hole goes against the logic established by the plot. Like in Blade Runner, the replicants want to live longer and one of them chooses to become a stripper?

Joker finding the mob boss hideout and Peter finding Ock's lair are not plot holes. It is merely something that happened off screen and by the flow of logic set up, you can determine what happened or you can choose to say it is a plot hole because they didn't spoon feed it to you. Once again, Jack Bauer never pees, poops, eats, and the only time he sleeps is when he is unconscious. I can either choose to think he does those things at some point or I can choose to think that it is a plot hole because it doesn't show it or explain it.

 

[spider-neil]

AWESOME!!

 

[Majik1387]

I'm pretty sure that this is still about plot holes. It's just some people don't want to believe some/most of them.

Nah, it's nitpicking, and oddly enough most of the so called plotholes that aren't plotholes are comic movies.
Most the non-comic movie plotholes mentioned are true; like the magic floor from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

c'mon, that not nitpicking, that's huge

(minute one)

* bus drives into building - we wont call it a bank as it's not wired to any alarms and the police aren't called by the bank personally

* joker exits bus and shots man

(minute two)

* after panic and confusion of the impact dies down bystanders on the street call the police and ambulance as a SCHOOL BUS has collided with a building

* joker puts smoke bomb in mob bank tellers mouth

(minute three)

* joker exits building

* police and rescue services are closing in on building

(minute four)

???

I'm sorry but that is huge.

So the cops should have been outside the building within 2 minutes?

I'm wondering how many of you posters actually drive.

 

[spider-neil]

Nah, it's nitpicking, and oddly enough most of the so called plotholes that aren't plotholes are comic movies.
Most the non-comic movie plotholes mentioned are true; like the magic floor from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

So the cops should have been outside the building within 2 minutes?

I'm wondering how many of you posters actually drive.

outside the building in four minutes. the police were outside the building waiting for spidey and doc ock after their fight in the bank in SM2, how long were spidey and ock fighting for inside the bank?

 

[chaseter]

That photo is autographed by Alfred Molina himself, too. So don't accuse me of personal bias

Now I am confused and slightly jealous.

 

[Majik1387]

outside the building in four minutes. the police were outside the building waiting for spidey and doc ock after their fight in the bank in SM2, how long were spidey and ock fighting for inside the bank?

They're not in the same universe or city.

Why would Nolan's GCPD be the same as the Raimi NYPD?

 

[Eggyman]

Nah, it's nitpicking, and oddly enough most of the so called plotholes that aren't plotholes are comic movies.
Most the non-comic movie plotholes mentioned are true; like the magic floor from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

So the cops should have been outside the building within 2 minutes?

I'm wondering how many of you posters actually drive.

LOL. Maybe the station was closer, or maybe the roads were clearer. Or maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be validating one piece of fiction by another's standards.

 

[Majik1387]

LOL. Maybe the station was closer, or maybe the roads were clearer. Or maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't be validating one piece of fiction by another's standards.

I'll just say these threads can either hurt your brains or give them a good workout.

 

[spider-neil]

ah, c'mon guys, picking the minutiae from movies we love if fun t: