The Nader Thread

[Lightning Strykez!]

LOL

Just when I thought this election mess couldn't get any worse (and dumb), here comes this fool.

 

[BlackLantern]

I'm wondering if you put Ron Paul and Ralph Nader in the same room, would the mass irrelevance cause some sort of black hole??

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm wondering if you put Ron Paul and Ralph Nader in the same room, would the mass irrelevance cause some sort of black hole??

Most likely!

 

[Marx]

Yes they hear him, but no one takes him seriously....so he can go on and on about corruption and so forth all he wants, but all people see is some ranting old guy who doesn't matter....

He has absolutely zero credibility anymore.

 

[The Senator]

He has absolutely zero credibility anymore.

Ralph Nader doesn't need credibility to run for President. All he needs is a reason. To him, the party system is broken in the United States. It doesn't accomplish anything. And as long as there's no one around to challenge the status quo, he has his reason to run. As much as I think Nader is a misbegotten, senile whacko, he serves a purpose in this campaign and makes a valid point: Elections aren't just confined to two guys from the two national parties. He made that point very clear in 2000. Whether he'll make it clear again this time around is another story.

 

[Marx]

Ralph Nader doesn't need credibility to run for President. All he needs is a reason. To him, the party system is broken in the United States. It doesn't accomplish anything. And as long as there's no one around to challenge the status quo, he has his reason to run. As much as I think Nader is a misbegotten, senile whacko, he serves a purpose in this campaign and makes a valid point: Elections aren't just confined to two guys from the two national parties. He made that point very clear in 2000. Whether he'll make it clear again this time around is another story.

I completely understand what you're saying. I am all for whoever wanting to run should be able to run. The candidate should at least be respectable. Nader and any "message" he may have, have been widdled away into pieces thanks to his four previous presidential campaign losses.

 

[The Senator]

I completely understand what you're saying. I am all for whoever wanting to run should be able to run. The candidate should at least be respectable. Nader and any "message" he may have, have been widdled away into pieces thanks to his four previous presidential campaign losses.

Nader has my respect for trying his damndest to be the best Lyndon LaRouche he can be

 

[psychocheeseman]

i feel kinda weird posting on this thread as i'm not american, but i have studied international politics, and it's kinda important who leads teh worlds most powerful nation so i'll throw my 2 cents in. In my opinion Nader is unlikely to win, which is a pity as i think he is definately the best suited for teh job (if we want to be ruled by the wise and all). He's done far more for protecting the rights of citizens and people world wide than any other candidate. He's highly intelligent and is not afraid to outline clearly what his policy is. unlike other candidates (including Obama who i'd also quite like to see elected).
But unfortunately, Americans don't seem to vote for the intelligent people and Nader is no longer as charismatic as he perhaps once was. The average american probably doesn't realise how much Nader has done for them, as blacklantern said;

but no one takes him seriously....so he can go on and on about corruption and so forth all he wants, but all people see is some ranting old guy who doesn't matter....

sorry to imply you're average blacklantern. But it seems almost ironic, that the same group of people Nader has been fighting for since the 60s don't seem to know how much he has done.

 

[wiegeabo]

I would likely vote for Ralph Nader if he ran again.

Same here.

Do I think Nader will win? No. He probably won't have a chance. I expect him to perform about how he did the last time, maybe a little better. If he had decided to run a year ago, he probably could have built up enough momentum to get close to what he did in 2000.

But I'd still vote for him because I can't stand the two big parties anymore. In fact, I don't think I've ever voted Republican or Democrat for President. I also saw a documentary about Nader on PBS. I was shocked at how poorly he was treated back in 2000, and how the Dems did everything they could to keep him out of the debates, the election, everything. Even things bordering (or actually) illegal.

 

[BlackLantern]

sorry to imply you're average blacklantern. But it seems almost ironic, that the same group of people Nader has been fighting for since the 60s don't seem to know how much he has done.

It's ok....I am as average as it gets....as is most of America....hence why we all consider Nader a ranting old guy

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Spoiler

 

[souvlaki]

Yes they hear him, but no one takes him seriously....so he can go on and on about corruption and so forth all he wants, but all people see is some ranting old guy who doesn't matter....

It's hard to take someone seriously after they claim there is no difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush.

 

[souvlaki]

Yes they hear him, but no one takes him seriously....so he can go on and on about corruption and so forth all he wants, but all people see is some ranting old guy who doesn't matter....

Well, it's hard to take someone seriously after they claim there is no difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush.

 

[bell110]

The main reason why Nader got less of the vote in 2004 was because people were serious in trying to get rid of George W. Bush and voting for Nader wasn't going to help in that.

It's a completely new scenario in 2008. Instead of being fed up with the Republicans, the average American is fed up with both parties now. George W. Bush isn't running again either.

I think Nader will do just as well as he did in 2000 this time. Which will be a huge spoiler for the Democrats considering how close the general election polls are between McCain and Clinton/Obama.

You hit the nail on the head. I'm going to expand on what you said. If Clinton gets nominated, I think Nader will definately take a lot of independent votes away from the democrates and she will lose. I think Obama will stand a better chance if he gets it.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

^ Of course Nader will eat up their voting leverage. Why?

Because he's the white male alternative to both candidates. Which is why he's getting into this thing now.

 

[Marx]

^ Of course Nader will eat up their voting leverage. Why?

Because he's the white male alternative to both candidates. Which is why he's getting into this thing now.

Hopefully not.

 

[The Senator]

Everyone's really making Nader's candidacy out to be something more than it is. If Hillary or Barack can't run a campaign which appeals to his voters, it's their own damn fault. Even then, I feel he'll struggle to get near 1% of the vote. People also seem to forget that Cynthia McKinney is running as a Green, and her outrageous, ultra-liberal record will appeal to the far left as much as Nader's does. The two of them will split that extreme left vote so much so as to make it completely irrelevant come election day.

I also don't think this election will be as close as it was in 2000, simply because you will be able to distinguish both party's nominees from each other, even if it simply comes down to race or gender combined with all that hope/ change/ military experience fluff which has hijacked this election.

 

[BlackLantern]

Nader is slowly becoming that crazy uncle that stands up in the middle of Thanksgiving and goes on a rant about the gold standard and corsets...everyone laughs and puts him at the kiddie table

 

[The Senator]

Nader is slowly becoming that crazy uncle that stands up in the middle of Thanksgiving and goes on a rant about the gold standard and corsets...everyone laughs and puts him at the kiddie table

I thought that was Ron Paul

 

[Marx]

Everyone's really making Nader's candidacy out to be something more than it is. If Hillary or Barack can't run a campaign which appeals to his voters, it's their own damn fault. Even then, I feel he'll struggle to get near 1% of the vote. People also seem to forget that Cynthia McKinney is running as a Green, and her outrageous, ultra-liberal record will appeal to the far left as much as Nader's does. The two of them will split that extreme left vote so much so as to make it completely irrelevant come election day.

I also don't think this election will be as close as it was in 2000, simply because you will be able to distinguish both party's nominees from each other, even if it simply comes down to race or gender combined with all that hope/ change/ military experience fluff which has hijacked this election.

I don't think that Nader will make all that much of a difference. I just hope that the margin is large enough that any impact he may have, if any, won't matter at all.

 

[BlackLantern]

I thought that was Ron Paul

Ron Paul is the other uncle that shows up with no pants and smelling of bourbon....

 

[Marx]

Ron Paul is the other uncle that shows up with no pants and smelling of bourbon....

Oh wow...there's a picture I didn't need!

 

[souvlaki]

I was always under the impression that Nader received a decent chunk of his votes from people under the age of 30 (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption). Obviously there are people in this thread that prove the exception to the rule, but generally those are also Obama's most enthusiastic supporters. Young voters are certainly more enthusiastic about Obama than they were about Gore or Kerry. Because of this I will be shocked if Nader gets even half as many votes as he did in 2004.

 

[Marx]

I was always under the impression that Nader received a decent chunk of his votes from people under the age of 30 (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption). Obviously there are people in this thread that prove the exception to the rule, but generally those are also Obama's most enthusiastic supporters. Young voters are certainly more enthusiastic about Obama than they were about Gore or Kerry. Because of this I will be shocked if Nader gets even half as many votes as he did in 2004.

That's true. Many would say that the "under 30" crowd are the CORE of Obama's support.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Ron Paul is the other uncle that shows up with no pants and smelling of bourbon....

No that was Mike Gravel.