The Naked Fun in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Lily Adler]

#SuperJurassic4 Summer is a go!

 

[Lily Adler]

Israel is kidnapping Gaza humanitarian aide volunteers from other countries at sea and reprogramming them on Oct. 7th or face execution.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Worst live action Disney remake villain? Jafar and Evil Queen are definite contenders.

My pick is Disney for making a bunch of crappy remakes

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It's a good thing then that he got fired for a minute and GOTG 3 came out after Thor
Taika wiped the slate for him in that regard

As much as I loved Thor in Infinity War, it's still a bummer what the Russos did to him after the beautiful setup in Ragnarok

Accepted his role as king and protector of Asgard-> Thanos kills half the Asgardians before the opening shot, and have Thor say f*** this and bail at the end of Endgame

Not the "God of Hammers", his power is within-> Have Thor immediately go in search of a new weapon and, in Endgame, get Mjolnir back on top of it

Remove his eye -> Give it back

All of his progression was immediately undone in IW/EG

And still none of this was as bad as what they did with Hulk.

The Russo's seem to struggle with the more powerful heroes.

 

[Lily Adler]

1 month til Superman!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Pedro Pascal, Peace Ambassador.

Does that make Pedro the dog?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My pick is Disney for making a bunch of crappy remakes

The villain there would be those that go see them as opposed to the dozens of better flicks they skip out on.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The villain there would be those that go see them as opposed to the dozens of better flicks they skip out on.

We can argue chicken or egg on there, and yes that point is valid. But Disney can also put more effort into these movies and they don't. For which, I blame them. Make better movies.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

We can argue chicken or egg on there, and yes that point is valid. But Disney can also put more effort into these movies and they don't. For which, I blame them. Make better movies.

I do think there is a lot of effort in most of them. Probably could count the ones with a "lack of effort" on one hand. The issue is the concept itself. It's a remake of a movie that's selling point is being that movie again, in a medium less suited to it. I personally want something a bit different with the same heart. But that apparently isn't what audiences in general, who love slop, want. And thus it becomes a creative issue.

Snow White is a perfect example of the overall conundrum. It's a near century old, paper thin story. They can do a lot with like they did with the wonderful Cinderella remake. And that seemed to be the original intent. And then people started talking about it, and it turned into a mess of change, but not too much, which means what you're left with is nothing at all.

I think Lilo and Stitch is rather good. I like that they switched the focus to Nani, emphasizing the effort and toll on her. The solution also really adds to the found family aspect of the original story. But that didn't change people from getting pissed and ignoring all logic in their critiques.

Side bar here, but uh why did I suddenly start getting recommended right winger takes on flippin' Lilo and Stitch? Thanks Youtube.

We are seeing this very issue begin to affect Star Wars and Marvel at Disney. Pixar is back in the sequel business, but their talent pool over there is so massive that they seem able to handle it in general. But originals, like poor Eilo, are DOA.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I do think there is a lot of effort in most of them. Probably could count the ones with a "lack of effort" on one hand. The issue is the concept itself. It's a remake of a movie that's selling point is being that movie again, in a medium less suited to it. I personally want something a bit different with the same heart. But that apparently isn't what audiences in general, who love slop, want. And thus it becomes a creative issue.

Snow White is a perfect example of the overall conundrum. It's a near century old, paper thin story. They can do a lot with like they did with the wonderful Cinderella remake. And that seemed to be the original intent. And then people started talking about it, and it turned into a mess of change, but not too much, which means what you're left with is nothing at all.

I think Lilo and Stitch is rather good. I like that they switched the focus to Nani, emphasizing the effort and toll on her. The solution also really adds to the found family aspect of the original story. But that didn't change people from getting pissed and ignoring all logic in their critiques.

Side bar here, but uh why did I suddenly start getting recommended right winger takes on flippin' Lilo and Stitch? Thanks Youtube.

We are seeing this very issue begin to affect Star Wars and Marvel at Disney. Pixar is back in the sequel business, but their talent pool over there is so massive that they seem able to handle it in general. But originals, like poor Eilo, are DOA.

I am unlikely to watch Lilo & Stitch. Just cause I don't really feel the need to see the same movie with small changes. That's ultimately the thing, the movies don't stand on their own. They're living off nostalgia. Even the ones that had larger changes, such as Mulan for example, what they came up with just wasn't good. If these were well crafted movies that had that same core story but their own voice, I would be more for these. But they're just so corporate and soulless. Which probably comes from the producers who interfere in these. But either way, they're just uninteresting to me. And yes, I can say that a lot of Disney's recent output has been very much like this. I know for me, The Lion King was my breaking point where I just said I was done with these.

I didn't see Cinderella. So can't comment on that one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am unlikely to watch Lilo & Stitch. Just cause I don't really feel the need to see the same movie with small changes. That's ultimately the thing, the movies don't stand on their own. They're living off nostalgia. Even the ones that had larger changes, such as Mulan for example, what they came up with just wasn't good. If these were well crafted movies that had that same core story but their own voice, I would be more for these. But they're just so corporate and soulless. Which probably comes from the producers who interfere in these. But either way, they're just uninteresting to me. And yes, I can say that a lot of Disney's recent output has been very much like this. I know for me, The Lion King was my breaking point where I just said I was done with these.

I didn't see Cinderella. So can't comment on that one.

What do you consider "small changes"? Because I would argue a film like Lilo and Stitch has a rather massive fundamental change in it's narrative. It's far more from the perspective of Nani, which changes core elements of the story, while keeping the same general heart.

But yeah, I agree on the general issue. Which is why I don't like that How to Train Your Dragon is going to make money this upcoming weekend, being what is apparently a carbon copy of the original, just worse. Lion King is one of the most painful experiences I've had in the last decade watching movies. But it made so much money...

 

[Drizzle]

But originals, like poor Eilo, are DOA.

Elio comes out next Friday and I've barely seen any marketing for it. Did they at least run the trailer before prints of Lilo and Stitch? At least that would have gotten more awareness out there but I don't think it stands much of a chance anyway.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Elio comes out next Friday and I've barely seen any marketing for it. Did they at least run the trailer before prints of Lilo and Stitch? At least that would have gotten more awareness out there but I don't think it stands much of a chance anyway.

They seem to know it's F'ed, and are just acting like it doesn't exist.

 

[Spider-Fan]

What do you consider "small changes"? Because I would argue a film like Lilo and Stitch has a rather massive fundamental change in it's narrative. It's far more from the perspective of Nani, which changes core elements of the story, while keeping the same general heart.

But yeah, I agree on the general issue. Which is why I don't like that How to Train Your Dragon is going to make money this upcoming weekend, being what is apparently a carbon copy of the original, just worse. Lion King is one of the most painful experiences I've had in the last decade watching movies. But it made so much money...

Can't comment on Lilo & Stitch cause I haven't watched it, but I would say for me, it's about standing out from the other version. Most of these are just actively trying to cosplay as the OG version. Just in that flat style where everything has flat lighting, bad CG characters, and the colors don't pop. So ultimately, we end up with 2 flavors of remake: either just feeling like worse version of the other thing it is trying to resemble, or the Sony villain movie about a character who is no longer a villain in their villain origin movie. Honestly, I would rather see a version of say....Hercules that has similar story but has its own unique style or approaches the story in a manner where the connection to the OG movie is loose. But they won't do that cause they want the cheap nostalgia money, and that seems to work for much of the audience. Just not for me.

I said in the Ballerina thread that it's like if you just watched John Wick and want to see something similar and will sacrifice quality. I see the comparisons to say The Incredibles and Fantastic Four the same way, we can have similar ideas and still both be enjoyable. But why do I want to watch The Lion King and then just watch literally the same movie that does all the same major beats but worse and isnt offering anything new? At the point, I will just watch The Lion King.

I also don't plan on seeing How to Train Your Dragon for the same reason

 

[Drizzle]

They seem to know it's F'ed, and are just acting like it doesn't exist.

Disney dumping Soul, Luca and Turning Red on Disney+ really did some irreparable damage to Pixar. Sure, Inside Out 2 coasted to a billion and then some last year and I'm positive Toy Story 5 will do the same next year but their original movies are suffering. Elemental managed to get lucky and became a sleeper but I can't see Elio having that same kind of luck against How to Train Your Dragon and Lilo & Stitch.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Disney dumping Soul, Luca and Turning Red on Disney+ really did some irreparable damage to Pixar. Sure, Inside Out 2 coasted to a billion and then some last year and I'm positive Toy Story 5 will do the same next year but their original movies are suffering. Elemental managed to get lucky and became a sleeper but I can't see Elio having that same kind of luck against How to Train Your Dragon and Lilo & Stitch.

I am gonna be honest, I forgot Elio even existed or what it's even about. That says everything about how bad the marketing is. I absolutely agree about the damage to Pixar. They're gonna be stuck on sequel brands only pretty soon.

I think kids are responsible for like half the views of Elemental on D+ though lol!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Disney dumping Soul, Luca and Turning Red on Disney+ really did some irreparable damage to Pixar. Sure, Inside Out 2 coasted to a billion and then some last year and I'm positive Toy Story 5 will do the same next year but their original movies are suffering. Elemental managed to get lucky and became a sleeper but I can't see Elio having that same kind of luck against How to Train Your Dragon and Lilo & Stitch.

This is why they have a huge slate of sequels coming. And it kills me. Because Soul and Turning Red are two of my absolutely favorites from Pixar.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am gonna be honest, I forgot Elio even existed or what it's even about. That says everything about how bad the marketing is. I absolutely agree about the damage to Pixar. They're gonna be stuck on sequel brands only pretty soon.

I think kids are responsible for like half the views of Elemental on D+ though lol!

I've known about Eilo for a long time now and it wasn't until a recent trailer that I actually knew what it was about.

Disney+ having these short windows have parents waiting for these movies to show up on there. Heard someone talk about seeing a father with their two kids at the theater. One wanted to see Lilo, the other Thunderbolts. He told them no, because they'll be on Disney+ soon.

Do I think that's a massive number of people? Probably not. But is it an insignificant amount? Also no. It makes me wonder how much it will effect the legs of some of the bigger Disney movies coming up. Lilo and Stitch has not had the best legs, much like Minecraft. Movies focused on kids, that we know will be on streaming soonish.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I've known about Eilo for a long time now and it wasn't until a recent trailer that I actually knew what it was about.

Disney+ having these short windows have parents waiting for these movies to show up on there. Heard someone talk about seeing a father with their two kids at the theater. One wanted to see Lilo, the other Thunderbolts. He told them no, because they'll be on Disney+ soon.

Do I think that's a massive number of people? Probably not. But is it an insignificant amount? Also no. It makes me wonder how much it will effect the legs of some of the bigger Disney movies coming up. Lilo and Stitch has not had the best legs, much like Minecraft. Movies focused on kids, that we know will be on streaming soonish.

This is why we are seeing the rise of popcorn buckets and such. Families were conditioned against going to the theater when streaming was the new hot thing, and that bubble has heavily burst. So we have to recondition people to going back to the theater again. Hence why things like "CHECK OUT THE NEW LIMITED POPCORN BUCKET" is a thing that trends on social media now. They do need to delay the time frame to streaming. I don't even think 45-60 days is enough. It needs to be like 6 months IMO. Back in the day, I had to wait a whole year+ for the VHS!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This is why we are seeing the rise of popcorn buckets and such. Families were conditioned against going to the theater when streaming was the new hot thing, and that bubble has heavily burst. So we have to recondition people to going back to the theater again. Hence why things like "CHECK OUT THE NEW LIMITED POPCORN BUCKET" is a thing that trends on social media now. They do need to delay the time frame to streaming. I don't even think 45-60 days is enough. It needs to be like 6 months IMO. Back in the day, I had to wait a whole year+ for the VHS!

Yeah, that's the thing with legs. It isn't just new people seeing it. It's the repeat viewings.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, that's the thing with legs. It isn't just new people seeing it. It's the repeat viewings.

100% true. And you need to give incentive to those people to feel like they have to go again, as well. I don't think 45 days is enough even for fans. You need to get them to crave seeing it again.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

100% true. And you need to give incentive to those people to feel like they have to go again, as well. I don't think 45 days is enough even for fans. You need to get them to crave seeing it again.

We know 3 months isn't a enough. And yet, here we are.

But I also get it from audiences. Rough, rough times right now.

 

[Spider-Fan]

We know 3 months isn't a enough. And yet, here we are.

But I also get it from audiences. Rough, rough times right now.

Yeah, money is tight all around. I know I am passing on getting the Sunday Ticket this year for this reason. Gotten it the last 2 years to watch the Browns. I just can't justify it given economic circumstances for me at this time. 1st world problem, but that's just 1 of several areas I am cutting back

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, money is tight all around. I know I am passing on getting the Sunday Ticket this year for this reason. Gotten it the last 2 years to watch the Browns. I just can't justify it given economic circumstances for me at this time. 1st world problem, but that's just 1 of several areas I am cutting back

Not watching the Browns play might honestly be better for your overall well being.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not watching the Browns play might honestly be better for your overall well being.

My blood pressure agrees lol