The Naked Fun in The Superhero Cinematic Civil War Thread - Part 61

[Shinobi Shaw]

That's all apparently been cut.

Like my hopes and dreams for MCU X-Men.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

But that same thing can be said almost any era. With the exception of maybe the more auteur driven age of the 70s, most of filmmaking has been appeal to the broadest audience. I don't think that's really an excuse to not look for ways to make something better. Everyone is trying to do what Marvel did. If you're going to make this thing work, you have to find your niche.

It's the design. It can't be made better. It all just continues to breakdown as they try to suck every last nickel and dime out of it. We are watching that happen with the MCU in real time. Hell Star Wars, though at least they have enough creative voice over there to get something like Andor made.

I'm also not talking about broad appeal. I'm talking share holders and their lackies. Not that it matters. TDK wasn't made for broader audiences. Became one of the most beloved flicks of all time. Oppenheimer and Barbie had very distinct voices. Super over with general audiences.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's the design. It can't be made better. It all just continues to breakdown as they try to suck every last nickel and dime out of it. We are watching that happen with the MCU in real time. Hell Star Wars, though at least they have enough creative voice over there to get something like Andor made.

I'm also not talking about broad appeal. I'm talking share holders and their lackies. Not that it matters. TDK wasn't made for broader audiences. Became one of the most beloved flicks of all time. Oppenheimer and Barbie had very distinct voices. Super over with general audiences.

Nolan makes his movies for a broad audience. He just has a good grasp on what they want. Same for Speilberg, Scorsese, etc. They make movies aimed for broad appeal, but with quality. They're not quite like a Kubrick or a David Lynch who just did whatever they wanted regardless consequences or appeal. You can still offer a distinct voice in these projects. Yes, there is an issue of shareholders and interference. Not saying their isn't in practice, but just cause no one does it another way doesn't mean it cannot be done. I was hoping Gunn would try and do this when he was talking about more director driven projects, but I am worried we aren't quite living up to that promise with how much I see GL and Hawkgirl in the marketing.

You just have to get the right people in place to make the attempt.

 

[Drizzle]

I’m feeling pretty confident that MCU X-Men will have a lot of us appreciating the FoxMen movies more than ever tbh. There’s no way the MCU is treating those themes with any kind of dramatic heft. But hey, they’ll have their costumes!

I say this as someone with very little love for the FoxMen movies to begin with btw.

We already got them.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

It's the design. It can't be made better. It all just continues to breakdown as they try to suck every last nickel and dime out of it. We are watching that happen with the MCU in real time. Hell Star Wars, though at least they have enough creative voice over there to get something like Andor made.

I'm also not talking about broad appeal. I'm talking share holders and their lackies. Not that it matters. TDK wasn't made for broader audiences. Became one of the most beloved flicks of all time. Oppenheimer and Barbie had very distinct voices. Super over with general audiences.

It literally was.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It literally was.

If your argument is that Nolans' style has broad appeal, yes. But that was not a movie put through a focus test of suits telling them what to make. It was Christopher and Jonah doing their thing.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

That's all apparently been cut.

Deeply unshocked that the Superman screenings where the more adult comedy seems to have been gutted/toned down went over better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Nolan makes his movies for a broad audience. He just has a good grasp on what they want. Same for Speilberg, Scorsese, etc. They make movies aimed for broad appeal, but with quality. They're not quite like a Kubrick or a David Lynch who just did whatever they wanted regardless consequences or appeal. You can still offer a distinct voice in these projects. Yes, there is an issue of shareholders and interference. Not saying their isn't in practice, but just cause no one does it another way doesn't mean it cannot be done. I was hoping Gunn would try and do this when he was talking about more director driven projects, but I am worried we aren't quite living up to that promise with how much I see GL and Hawkgirl in the marketing.

You just have to get the right people in place to make the attempt.

Scorsese is a very strange comparison as his whole career has been one where his flicks lose money. He's just a strong voice, he gets folks to pay for them.

I fundamentally believe Nolan does what he wants, without thought of if it will go over well. He makes what he likes. That it appeals to audiences is a bonus. It's the same for Denis, Coogler, Peele. Distinct voices resonant.

It's why the shared universe by design can't do that with any regularity. Because they're products, not just films. And the only way you can change that is with someone with **** you money, funding it. And all the IPs are owned by corporations.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Deeply unshocked that the Superman screenings where the more adult comedy seems to have been gutted/toned down went over better.

Sword going to begrudgingly like this flick and it's going to make him miserable.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Sword going to begrudgingly like this flick and it's going to make him miserable.

Hoult being perfect as my favourite supervillain will go a long, long way.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Scorsese is a very strange comparison as his whole career has been one where his flicks lose money. He's just a strong voice, he gets folks to pay for them.

I fundamentally believe Nolan does what he wants, without thought of if it will go over well. He makes what he likes. That it appeals to audiences is a bonus. It's the same for Denis, Coogler, Peele. Distinct voices resonant.

It's why the shared universe by design can't do that with any regularity. Because they're products, not just films. And the only way you can change that is with someone with **** you money, funding it. And all the IPs are owned by corporations.

Depends on the era for Scorsese. He's lost money but had huge hits. Something like Wolf of Wall St was easy to sell to people, and he clearly tries appealing to a wide audience even if it doesn't always work.

You and I won't agree on Nolan. He clearly wants to make cinematic movies with wide appeal. But if you see it differently, I likely will not change that view. But I absolutely disagree.

We will just agree to disagree.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Hoult being perfect as my favourite supervillain will go a long, long way.

I’m already calling it that the highlights of that movie will be him and the Clois interview scene.

Really curious to see how that goes down.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Depends on the era for Scorsese. He's lost money but had huge hits. Something like Wolf of Wall St was easy to sell to people, and he clearly tries appealing to a wide audience even if it doesn't always work.

You and I won't agree on Nolan. He clearly wants to make cinematic movies with wide appeal. But if you see it differently, I likely will not change that view. But I absolutely disagree.

We will just agree to disagree.

I want to make my point clear, because I think we're talking cross purposes. Nolan's films have broad appeal but he makes what he wants to make. He doesn't have someone telling him what to make to appeal to broader audiences. If he did, there is no way he makes a movie like Inception, Dunkirk, Tenet, or Oppenheimer. Because those are the exact kind of movies studios tell you no on. Especially with their budgets.

I do not know what portion of Scorsese's career is suppose to be where he's appealing to broader audiences. Outside of Hugo and Kundun, I believe all his movies are rated R and not made to appeal to the 4 quads at all. The Wolf of Wall Street is a 3 hour film about the worst people. His last three movies are all time depressing subject matter. Masterfully made, but not what you sell to broad audiences.

The reason Gangs of New York is his biggest personal disaster, is because that sex pest made him cut it down to "appeal to broad audiences" and that ****ed the movie.

 

[Sithborg]

@Shinobi Shaw for months, "Gunn's too horny. He can't help himself, he's going to put a bunch of sex jokes in Superman and it's going to suck."

His beloved Fantastic Four:

Which is also hilarious given the sex pest's complaints.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I want to make my point clear, because I think we're talking cross purposes. Nolan's films have broad appeal but he makes what he wants to make. He doesn't have someone telling him what to make to appeal to broader audiences. If he did, there is no way he makes a movie like Inception, Dunkirk, Tenet, or Oppenheimer. Because those are the exact kind of movies studios tell you no on. Especially with their budgets.

I do not know what portion of Scorsese's career is suppose to be where he's appealing to broader audiences. Outside of Hugo and Kundun, I believe all his movies are rated R and not made to appeal to the 4 quads at all. The Wolf of Wall Street is a 3 hour film about the worst people. His last three movies are all time depressing subject matter. Masterfully made, but not what you sell to broad audiences.

The reason Gangs of New York is his biggest personal disaster, is because that sex pest made him cut it down to "appeal to broad audiences" and that ****ed the movie.

Not saying every movie that Scorsese or even Spielberg make is for the broad audience, as they both have artsy projects they have done that aren't say Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park. Scorsese did make Hugo, and I definitely see that as a wider appeal movie. I would also say his various crime movies, while appealing to him are also ones he knows would have broad appeal. Etc.

But again, agree to disagree.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not saying every movie that Scorsese or even Spielberg make is for the broad audience, as they both have artsy projects they have done that aren't say Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park. Scorsese did make Hugo, and I definitely see that as a wider appeal movie. I would also say his various crime movies, while appealing to him are also ones he knows would have broad appeal. Etc.

But again, agree to disagree.

Wait, do you think a blockbuster automatically means a film built simply for broader audience appeal? Because the first 3 Indys were two friends shooting the ****, making what they love and working out their problems with women. Hugo was again a movie that Scorsese totally wanted to make and had no audience. Hence it's box office problems.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Best animated Batman movie doesn't even have Batman in it!

 

[Lily Adler]

Remember when the cast of the TDKR did the Harlem Shake?

 

[Babillygunn]

Best animated Batman movie doesn't even have Batman in it!

This film would like to have a word with you:


I would say that the best non-DCAU film would be one where Batman was a secondary character:


Batman Soul of the Dragon is criminally underrated

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

This film would like to have a word with you:
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I would say that the best non-DCAU film would be one where Batman was a secondary character:

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Batman Soul of the Dragon is criminally underrated

What if I told you Superman: Doomsday doesn’t get heralded enough?



It’s right up there with 1978. Anne Heche was a great Lois.

 

[Lily Adler]

This film would like to have a word with you:
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I would say that the best non-DCAU film would be one where Batman was a secondary character:

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Batman Soul of the Dragon is criminally underrated

Batman and the soul of what now?

 

[Lily Adler]

DC Extended Universe - Wikipedia

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Man all those canceled film ideas.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What if I told you Superman: Doomsday doesn’t get heralded enough?

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It’s right up there with 1978. Anne Heche was a great Lois.

 

[flickchick85]

It ain't even the best animated movie adaptation of that story!

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It ain't even the best animated movie adaptation of that story!

He did the black suit better than Cavill. And he was only ink and paint.