The new Batman films...new villains NOT seen in Nolan's trilogy?

[Lord]

I have yet to read any Red Hood stories beyond TMWL, but I sort of envision him as this mysterious figure who takes an interest in Batman and the state of Gotham City before the incident we see in TMWL. He'd be doing stuff sort of like Moriarty in the first Sherlock Holmes flick with RDJ. It'd be spread over 2-3 movies before the Joker appeared.

The full encounters with Red Hood in Batman's perspective are never fully shown, we just see flashbacks of their last encounter where Red Hood possibly becomes the Joker, i would like to see a story like The Man who Laughs and the Dark Moon rising books where we see their full encounters from Batman's perspective, this way Joker's origin remains a mistery and this story is finally told. I wouldn't even mind if it was a comic

 

[Pyro Man]

For me I'd like to see the film's start out with a Batman whose been around awhile, fought some of the villains, has a rogues gallery, that sort of thing. This would allow them to build to an Arkham Asylum esque flick that includes a bunch of villains.

For the first movie I wouldn't mind seeing a Gotham whose underworld is controlled by The Penguin. You could introduce some other, more fantastical villains as henchman to these two (for instance Solomon Grundy) to hint at the fantastical element of Batman's world without quite diving in head first on the first movie which also gives them an obvious direction to go in should they want to go bigger and crazier with the villain in the next movie. Have the murder of Dick Grayson's parents be tied to the mob and their crew that way we can have him become Robin towards the end of the film.

I read in another thread where somebody suggested that they have Bats and Joker that's already been around for awhile, with Joker being locked up in Arkham and Bats being forced to get his help on a case. You could also have a subplot with him and Harlene Quinzel which could build up a bit towards having Harley Quinn in the sequel.

 

[molp]

I would love nothing more then to see Hush in what ever comes next but as word has it WB were putting pressure on Nolan to use The Riddler. I am certain Mr Nigma will be first villain in the new films

 

[Merkel]

The Animated series made me realize how cool and interesting a villain The Ventriloquist can be. I'd love to see him featured in future Batman movies. Read My Lips from The Animated series is a terrific episode all around, one of the very best they produced

 

[TheWatcher]

I could go without Penguin. He just seems like a fatter shorter Falcone with less power.

I want to see Black Mask,Clayface,Mr.Freeze and especially Killer Croc.

 

[kewlmatto]

I really want to see villains that help provide insight into Batman's psyche. 'Realistic' or not, this is my priority. This is why I think Killer Croc would be a pretty awful choice for a film - he doesn't provide much insight into Batman as so many of the others do.

I'm a firm believer that Huntress should be a villain in a Batman film. Hear me out. I think if she was an example of vigilantism gone too far this could be an excellent story. She could become more of an anti-hero at the very end perhaps, but I think if you played her as a Batman-gone-wrong we could get excellent results. Plus, I'm a sucker for mafia-driven Batman stories. Helena Bertinelli is perfect. Add Black Mask and you'd have the basis for a great story.

Penguin, Poison Ivy, Mr Freeze and Riddler all deserve a retelling.

As for new characters - Phantasm, Mad Hatter, Hush, Black Mask, Ventriloquist/Scarface, Harley Quinn, Firefly and Professor Pyg would all be villains I'd love to see.

Plus, even with the excellent Dark Knight trilogy finished - these characters haven't really gotten their 'due' - Scarecrow, Catwoman and Two-Face.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I'd agree with Scarecrow. Perhaps he could get a darker and more in-depth take, but I was perfectly fine with the takes of Two-Face and Catwoman as their takes were more respectable than just being actual villains like Joker or Bane.

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah, I can see your point with Scarecrow. But they nailed Catwoman. And while I wish Two-Face had more screentime as a villain, they told his story eloquently and powerfully along with doing the tragedy of Harvey Dent's fall perfectly. To do Two-Face again and to try and top TDK's take would mean having to redo Harvey Dent....who was the backbone of TDK. It would be very redundant.

 

[robthorn24]

The Penguin and the Riddler more than deserve to be treated properly on film. This is a must in the next set of films.

Oh... and I'd love for them to build up to the Joker for the last film. Especially if it's more than three films in the series.

 

[Alpha Born]

For a new Batman franchise I want this villain

this villain

this villain,

and this villain

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[shauner111]

The brilliant thing is that Batmans rogues are so amazing. The ones that i have no interest in seeing on the big screen are Clayface, Mad Hatter, Ventriloquist, Calendar Man, Holiday Killer, Man-Bat, Firefly. Keep them in the comics.

I'm mainly excited about Penguin and Mr Freeze.

And the others that i think can be really cool if done by the right people are Riddler, Killer Croc, Hush, Black Mask, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Deadshot. I would leave all of the villains that Nolan messed with, alone. For as long as possible. And the first from TDK trilogy to return will of course be The Joker...alongside Harley.

 

[shauner111]

I'll elaborate a little. Or should i say a lot!

Deadshot is supposed to be in a WB "Suicide Squad" movie correct? He's a very realistic character who could have fit like a glove in Nolans universe. I just don't think he was essential enough, not the most original once you look around at the massive list of action movies and CBM's. There's enough snipers, hitmen, archers, assassins around. Just heard he was cast in the tv series "Arrow", therefore i don't think he's a good option.

Even if they debuted first in the comics, in the movie world it's about what comes out first. Clayface was always more original than say..Sandman. Yet Sandman had his day in the sun in Spider-Man 3. Man-Bat/Killer Croc were always rip-offs of the Lizard. More in line with the typical Spider-Man villain. But Killer Croc is written and drawn to be "muscle" nowadays. An african-american henchmen with a skin condition. This can work in a Nolan or Nolan-esque approach and even if you venture out of the realism it's still an easy way to not compare it to Amazing Spidey. A minor role would do just fine.

I'm completely against a Batman origin story again. But Hush is perfect if you want to show Bruce's origin through the eyes of Thomas Elliott. It's a different approach. You don't have to go through the steps of Bruces parents being murdered or the training. Other aspects of Bruces childhood, his behavior when he was around others, his parents..things you can explore through Hush. He's a fairly new rogue so his story can wait.

As cool as it could be to see Black Mask as a new crimelord, i would rather watch Penguin have the honours in Gotham City with the Batman. Sionis is a great character to add to a possible Anne Hathaway-Catwoman prequel. Will probably never happen, but she and Nolan like the idea. He must be tied to Wayne but i always enjoyed Black Mask when he was involved with Selina and Holly (Jen?).

I won't get into the main players, but i will say that Harley Quinn seems a lot more intriguing and a popular choice when compared to Poison Ivy. Uma Thurman hammed it up cuz she had to, but she didnt do a bad job. A new Pamela Isley would be fresh when the time comes but she also had her chance. Harley deserves her shot first.

So my current villain choice for the future are Harley Quinn (supporting), Riddler, Penguin, Freeze, Croc (supporting) and Strange (supporting) with Black Mask as the main villain in a Catwoman prequel.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Freeze is still my number one choice for new villain. I want to see a good director do him justice.

 

[Pyro Man]

I agree about Mr. Freeze. I just hope they don't do his arc in any movie to similar to the whole sympathetic Spider-Man movie scientist villain arc, especially that of Doc Ock. We've had enough of that.

I'm not really sure why anybody would want to see Killer Croc on the big screen as a lead villain, I've never read a good Croc story though so maybe I'm wrong. Its just always seemed to me like he was dumb muscle.

Man Bat also isn't good for the central villain in a film.

I think newer villains like Professor Pyg, Doctor Hurt, The Court of Owls and Hush would be interesting to see on the big screen but I think the older, lesser known or underutilized (outside of comics) rogues, or ones that need to be given their proper due on the big screen a top priority. My main wishlist is Penguin, Hugo Strange, Harley Quinn, Mr. Freeze, Black Mask and The Riddler.

 

[Batman, Inc.]

I like to Mr Freeze and Ivy though Uma THurman was great but the film s.... You know tHat.

If not then I would like to see Man-Bat, Killer Croc etc...


Note: I would like to see Scarecrow done again I feel he wasn't used to his potenial especially in TDK.

Interestingly enough, I strongly feel that your namesake was also shortchanged in the Nolan movies. I really feel that Two-Face has yet to be done true justice on the big screen. Both BF and TDK's characterizations of him had huge flaws and even though TDK's was an improvement over Forever's, he was badly underutilized. We have yet to get that really great Two-Face film.

 

[Batman, Inc.]

Yeah, I can see your point with Scarecrow. But they nailed Catwoman. And while I wish Two-Face had more screentime as a villain, they told his story eloquently and powerfully along with doing the tragedy of Harvey Dent's fall perfectly. To do Two-Face again and to try and top TDK's take would mean having to redo Harvey Dent....who was the backbone of TDK. It would be very redundant.

Oh how BADLY do I disagree with this.

This is an entirely different discussion so I don't want to wade too far into it but I'll just say that TDK's characterization of Two-Face was way off. In fact, I think the Nolan franchise has screwed up several characterizations. They had Alfred right until the final film. The ones who they really nailed IMO are Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul, The Joker, Catwoman/Selina and Gordon. Dent was mostly right but Two-Face was way off IMO.

 

[Lord]

The brilliant thing is that Batmans rogues are so amazing. The ones that i have no interest in seeing on the big screen are Clayface, Mad Hatter, Ventriloquist, Calendar Man, Holiday Killer, Man-Bat, Firefly. Keep them in the comics.

I'm mainly excited about Penguin and Mr Freeze.

And the others that i think can be really cool if done by the right people are Riddler, Killer Croc, Hush, Black Mask, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Deadshot. I would leave all of the villains that Nolan messed with, alone. For as long as possible. And the first from TDK trilogy to return will of course be The Joker...alongside Harley.

I think that even those villains can be cool, Clayface can be like his first appearance, and in that case Batman can use more detective skills, Mad Hatter could be interesting too, the Ventriloquist can be really creepy, Calendar Man as somebody that comits crimes or muders during certain days of the months could also be very interesting and creepy, expecially if he acts like in the Arkham City video game. Firefly was kind of adapted to Nolan's world in Batman: Gotham Knight, and it worked.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The Penguin and the Riddler more than deserve to be treated properly on film. This is a must in the next set of films.

Oh... and I'd love for them to build up to the Joker for the last film. Especially if it's more than three films in the series.

Quick question....what if Riddler becomes the next series real "big bad" as Joker was for Nolan? I would love to see a real badass version of The Riddler if the reboot doesn't want to touch Joker.

Oh how BADLY do I disagree with this.

This is an entirely different discussion so I don't want to wade too far into it but I'll just say that TDK's characterization of Two-Face was way off. In fact, I think the Nolan franchise has screwed up several characterizations. They had Alfred right until the final film. The ones who they really nailed IMO are Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul, The Joker, Catwoman/Selina and Gordon. Dent was mostly right but Two-Face was way off IMO.

Oh how I disagree with this, lol.

They didn't nail Scarecrow perfectly at all. He was a pawn in a major angle and didn't even further develop the psyche of Crane such as his fear of bats. We got the gist of the villain, but more can be done. He's the villain that I feel Nolan didn't get right. My second choice would've been Ra's al Ghul, but I felt Nolan made the character more in TDKR, so I'm fine with the final product of Ra's.

And Harvey "Two-Face" Dent, while the backbone of TDK, was also never meant to be a full-fleshed villain and The White Knight being brought down a level was Dent just trying to figure out why Rachel had to die, while not being a well-rounded villain which I love and love the take of such. I am glad Nolan and Goyer didn't decide to spread the two stories into two sequels.

 

[DACrowe]

Oh how BADLY do I disagree with this.

This is an entirely different discussion so I don't want to wade too far into it but I'll just say that TDK's characterization of Two-Face was way off. In fact, I think the Nolan franchise has screwed up several characterizations. They had Alfred right until the final film. The ones who they really nailed IMO are Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul, The Joker, Catwoman/Selina and Gordon. Dent was mostly right but Two-Face was way off IMO.

I said Dent, not Two-Face. I think Nolan nailed the fall of Harvey Dent. As in the story (very similar to TLH) of idealistic DA Harvey Dent being inspired by the Batman and forming an uneasy alliance with him and Jim Gordon to clean up organized crime in Gotham. They're too successful and are targeted by the mob (and Joker in TDK's case) and Dent loses everything, including his mind and his decency.

That was told superbly in TDK and to do Two-Face again and to do justice to him, they have to retread ALL of that. Also, I never liked Two-Face being obsessed with 2s or a gangster, so I didn't mind that being cut. Could he have had more screentime as a villain? Yes. But he works best as a tragic villain trying to take sadistic revenge on those he thinks wronged him like in TLH and DV. At the end of DV, Loeb "kills" Harvey, because the story plays best with Harvey dying after bottoming out. Of course, he isn't really dead, because he is such an icon of Batman's rogue gallery. However, there is a law of diminishing returns and every time Harv comes back he is less tragic and sympathetic. Nolan understood this and doesn't have to worry about maintaining a status quo, so he killed Two-Face. And it honestly is the best way for his story to go, even if his villany was truncated to the last 40 minutes of one film.

I could see a Two-Face film, but it would mean redoing the first 90 minutes of TDK and trying to do it better. It also would be hard to find a more eloquent ending to the character that that film had.

 

[Batman, Inc.]

Oh how I disagree with this, lol.

They didn't nail Scarecrow perfectly at all. He was a pawn in a major angle and didn't even further develop the psyche of Crane such as his fear of bats. We got the gist of the villain, but more can be done. He's the villain that I feel Nolan didn't get right. My second choice would've been Ra's al Ghul, but I felt Nolan made the character more in TDKR, so I'm fine with the final product of Ra's.

And Harvey "Two-Face" Dent, while the backbone of TDK, was also never meant to be a full-fleshed villain and The White Knight being brought down a level was Dent just trying to figure out why Rachel had to die, while not being a well-rounded villain which I love and love the take of such. I am glad Nolan and Goyer didn't decide to spread the two stories into two sequels.

Well Scarecrow was not used to his full potential but with what we did see it was pretty faithful, sans the costume. I would definitely love for a better developed, fully fleshed out Scarecrow as a villain in a Batman movie, though.

I understand what they did with Dent and what they were going for, you don't have to explain it to me. It is just NOT my cup of tea. I would like to see a serious Two-Face as a fully fleshed out villain as the main baddy of his own movie. We still have not gotten that, unfortunately. Two-Face has a true split personality and that alternate personality of Harvey's is a ruthless crime boss(albeit one who must seek approval from his coin for his acts). I just don't dig the idea of Harvey being basically just a guy pushed over the edge because he lost his lady. That's not Two-Face.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I say no to Two-Face and Dent. We've been there and I was completely satisfied with what we got in TDK.

 

[Jamie]

Think The Penguin would have been great to include as a kind of crime boss etc, not a main villain in a film, much like Two Face/Scarecrow. The Riddler too. He could be a 'main' villain, could be so good..

 

[Batman, Inc.]

I said Dent, not Two-Face. I think Nolan nailed the fall of Harvey Dent. As in the story (very similar to TLH) of idealistic DA Harvey Dent being inspired by the Batman and forming an uneasy alliance with him and Jim Gordon to clean up organized crime in Gotham. They're too successful and are targeted by the mob (and Joker in TDK's case) and Dent loses everything, including his mind and his decency.

That was told superbly in TDK and to do Two-Face again and to do justice to him, they have to retread ALL of that. Also, I never liked Two-Face being obsessed with 2s or a gangster, so I didn't mind that being cut. Could he have had more screentime as a villain? Yes. But he works best as a tragic villain trying to take sadistic revenge on those he thinks wronged him like in TLH and DV. At the end of DV, Loeb "kills" Harvey, because the story plays best with Harvey dying after bottoming out. Of course, he isn't really dead, because he is such an icon of Batman's rogue gallery. However, there is a law of diminishing returns and every time Harv comes back he is less tragic and sympathetic. Nolan understood this and doesn't have to worry about maintaining a status quo, so he killed Two-Face. And it honestly is the best way for his story to go, even if his villany was truncated to the last 40 minutes of one film.

I could see a Two-Face film, but it would mean redoing the first 90 minutes of TDK and trying to do it better. It also would be hard to find a more eloquent ending to the character that that film had.

I totally see where you're coming from with this.

But to me Two-Face's character isn't 'diminishing returns'. I am able to totally buy into the mob boss split personality thing, I guess maybe others aren't or at least not within a live action film after TDK.

You know, there is a saying that all stories are basically rehashes. There's nothing new. Its HOW you tell the story. I am sure there is some way to do Harvey/Two-Face again and not have it feel like a complete retread of TDK.

 

[Batman, Inc.]

I say no to Two-Face and Dent. We've been there and I was completely satisfied with what we got in TDK.

I certainly wasn't satisfied with it.

I think it is very clear that Two-Face still has not been given his due in a big budget, live action movie. Harvey Dent? Yes, TDK did a great job with him. But Two-Face? We have had one horrible, goofy interpretation of the character in Forever and then he was shortchanged with a third act appearance in TDK which, although it was closer to getting things right with TW than Forever, still missed the mark in terms of his characterization.

I seem to be in the minority, though. *sigh*

All I can do is hope that whoever runs the franchise next sees what I see in the potential for a full on Two-Face movie and ignores the naysayers who seem to think there is no merit to putting the character on screen again after TDK.

 

[Matt Mortem]

We could get a better (or longer) Two-Face story, but to do that we'd have to retread the Harvey Dent story. Let's have Dent/Two-Face step aside for some new blood