The New Ghostbusters - Part 5

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This is looking more and more like Fant4stic. Glad it's coming out in July sandwiched in between the Speilberg movie, Star Trek, Bourne 5 and Ice Age.

This has no shot.
 
Until the trailers come out there's no way to get an idea on the reception, but regardless I think it will bring in a fair amount just based off the title.

Tammy grossed 85m and Identity Thief over 130m domestically, so McCarhty brings people in as well even when her projects are horrible.
 
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Nothings been announced but I'm guessing within a month.
 
Making a prediction now. As much weird scuttlebutt this thing will get between now and July, itnwill end up being.one of the biggest hits of the summer. Anybody that wants to put money on it I am glad to take said bet.
 
I think it could pull in the top 10 for the summer but not top 5. Films like Civil War, X-Men, Finding Dory, Suicide Squad and Bourne are gonna be big.
 
I think it could pull in the top 10 for the summer but not top 5. Films like Civil War, X-Men, Finding Dory, Suicide Squad and Bourne are gonna be big.
Exactly. I don't think this is going to bomb(maybe it will?), but I can't see it doing better than a lot of other movies coming out next summer. Unless this is one of the best movies ever made, I don't see it doing better than Civil War, X-men or SS, etc.
 
The name is gonna attract a lot of older fans even if they dismiss it, it will attract fans of the four actresses, it will attract women and girls by default.
 
The name is gonna attract a lot of older fans even if they dismiss it, it will attract fans of the four actresses, it will attract women and girls by default.

That's the thing, curiosity will help this, unless the reviews are terrible. If the trailer looks interesting, i will give it respect and see it, but if it looks like anything like bridesmaids, spy or even identity theft quality, i will do the same as did for them, ignore. nothing personal, they just didn't appeal to me and sticking a Gb badge on their uniform won't help them.
 
1.) I like the design of the new posters

2.) Still hope this bombs and fails miserably

3.) I cannot be a sexist or mysogonist for hating the idea of this project because

a.) Rey was a good lead and the actress did a great job

b.) Furiousa is one of my favorite characters of the modern era

c.) Lisbeth Salander (Rooney) is one of my best characters of the modern era

d.) I love the Terminator & Alien series up there with any property or story ever created and much of that us due to the writing and depth given to Sarah Connor and Ripley


4.) Not only do I hope this loses the studio money, I hope it ruins the happiness of the director and Rothman for the way they've been acting for that portion of their year

5.) It's still a really dumb gimmick that doesn't deserve any of the Ghostbusters trademarks
 
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i rather see them do its with an all female cast than trying to recast the male parts, which will definitely fail...
 
1.) I like the design of the new posters

2.) Still hope this bombs and fails miserably

3.) I cannot be a sexist or mysogonist for hating the idea of this project because

a.) Rey was a good lead and the actress did a great job

b.) Furiousa is one of my favorite characters of the modern era

c.) Lisbeth Salander (Rooney) is one of my best characters of the modern era

d.) I love the Terminator & Alien series up there with any property or story ever created and much of that us due to the writing and depth given to Sarah Connor and Ripley


4.) Not only do I hope this loses the studio money, I hope it ruins the happiness of the director and Rothman for the way they've been acting for that portion of their year

5.) It's still a really dumb gimmick that doesn't deserve any of the Ghostbusters trademarks

This is kind of like saying "I can't be racist because I have black friends"

I certainly get how people feel about this project, but more often than not I feel like "I hate reboots" is code for "I dont want women in a role I primarily identify with male actors in" or something to that effect
 
Leslie Jones's attitude has turned me off more than anything.
 
This is kind of like saying "I can't be racist because I have black friends"

I certainly get how people feel about this project, but more often than not I feel like "I hate reboots" is code for "I dont want women in a role I primarily identify with male actors in" or something to that effect

P.C. People are just as paranoid as far right conspiracy theorists.

Normal person: "I'm certainly not a racist/sexist/whatever, because my wife is black/I'm member of an organization that fights racism/whatever"

P.C. Person: "Just because your wife is black/you're a member of that organization/whatever doesn't mean you're not a racist/whatever! Maybe you married her/ joined the organization/whatever to hide the fact that you're a racist. Because deep down, everyone's a racist/whatever (except me and my enlightened friends)!"
 
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P.C. People are just as paranoid as far right conspiracy theorists.

Normal person: "I'm certainly not a racist/sexist/whatever, because my wife is black/I'm member of an organization that fights racism/whatever"

P.C. Person: "Just because your wife is black/you're a member of that organization/whatever doesn't mean you're not a racist/whatever! Maybe you married her/ joined the organization/whatever to hide the fact that you're a racist. Because deep down, everyone's a racist/whatever (except me and my enlightened friends)!"

but I don't have any friends
 
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I certainly get how people feel about this project, but more often than not I feel like "I hate reboots" is code for "I dont want women in a role I primarily identify with male actors in" or something to that effect

Very few reboots actually do that though and they still get ripped to shreds.

The real reason people don't like reboots/remakes is because the vast majority are complete trash. For every Casino Royale, we get a hundred Robocops or Total Recalls or Pink Panthers or Longest Yards or on and on. And fans have caught on to that.
 
Very few reboots actually do that though and they still get ripped to shreds.

The real reason people don't like reboots/remakes is because the vast majority are complete trash. For every Casino Royale, we get a hundred Robocops or Total Recalls or Pink Panthers or Longest Yards or on and on. And fans have caught on to that.

fair point, like any genre of movie you have your good, bad, and middling
 
Personally, I feel that Ghostbusters worked because it was some of the greatest comedic talents in history coming together about a project many of them were passionate about all, in the prime of the careers. It was a case where everything just came together perfectly. And the problem with that, is it is extremely hard to replicate. Those same talents couldn't even recapture the magic of the first film just five years later.
 
Personally, I feel that Ghostbusters worked because it was some of the greatest comedic talents in history coming together about a project many of them were passionate about all, in the prime of the careers. It was a case where everything just came together perfectly. And the problem with that, is it is extremely hard to replicate. Those same talents couldn't even recapture the magic of the first film just five years later.

I think you might be overstating

it was originally going to be Dan Aykroyd and John Belushi as time travelling ghostbusters, Belushi died and Dan and Harold Ramis rewrote it...Bill Murray was kind of along for the ride

but you are correct, it was a unique situation

and I would say that trying to recapture it would be folly, but this is a different way of approaching the same story...it has to be allowed to fail or succeed on its own merit

if it fails, Id be the first one to say it does but its getting spit roasted for no good reason and its 7 months from release
 
As a kid of the 80s, remaking Ghostbusters is like trying to remake Back to the Future or Ferris Bueller's Day Off. You might hit the same notes, improve on the action, or give it a new twist. But you'll always be in the original's shadow.
 
Well the majority of the criticism is sexist. And 100% of the criticism of Human Torch pre-release of F4 was racism.

Not wanting an all female team is not inherently sexist. Now there are some genuinely sexist (and racist) fans out there who have made their feelings known about this project. But consider that many (if not most) fans wanted a diverse team for the next installment. Just not in a way that's the exact opposite of what we had. And definitely not in a complete reboot. Though a complete reboot is probably the only context where that would work.

Still, fans don't agree with those two things. And not together, since it means completely abandoning the old characters. Yes, the characters. It'seems not just actors people would miss.

And as far as the Johnny casting, it was not 100% racism. Not even close. The vast majority just hated the idea of changing the appearance of a 50+ year old character from a VISUAL medium; a medium where the visuals are, more or less, the the most important part.

When you adapt from a visual medium (particularly comic books), you should at least be able to stick to the most basic elements of its visuals. And in no version has Johnny been black. And worse off, they didn't even write the character in FFINO like Johnny, as we know him. So it was a double slap in the face. A double slap the likes of which we got when Sony announced they were not only rebooting Ghostbusters (instead of doing the GB3 film we had long waited for), but discarding the old characters and appealing to an entirely different audience.

And as much as people love Akroyd, Murray, Ramis and Hudson, we loved those characters even more.
 
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This is kind of like saying "I can't be racist because I have black friends"

I certainly get how people feel about this project, but more often than not I feel like "I hate reboots" is code for "I don't want women in a role I primarily identify with male actors in" or something to that effect


No, the genuine racist usually says , "I have a black friend named Roland (or something)", usually from work. :sly:

I rattled off multiple great female characters that were ORGANICALLY written, cast, and acted.


I never said, " I hate reboots." I will say without apology,

"I hate the idea of having a women only team of Ghostbusters with a male secretary." It's lame, try hard and unlike the female roles I mentioned as loving, comes off extremely inorganic as a method in artistic practice.

An artist will write great female characters from his or her mind and the process is natural and melded from a stroke of inspiration or literary genesis.

This movie has, 'Studio execs sit in a board room and launch idea for all 4 Ghostbusters to be women' written all over it. To get that feeling repels me from watching it let alone paying to watch it.

I enjoy the creative process and when it feels natural. Not when my sought out entertainment is a manufactured feeling idea by execs who want to appease enough demographics to try and turn a profit with a recooked version of a formula that worked before. Replacing the love and care that the original team had with manufactured crap with political strings attached tends to annoy people

The only reason I laid out female characters I love is not to get the feminists and ultra sensitive humanities students off my back but to show how ignorant and judgmental they come off by demonizing people who have their reasons for wanting this ship to go down in flames.
 
Not wanting an all female team is not inherently sexist.
When you have no good reason against an all-female team, yes, it is sexist.
I mean I can understand if they changed the gender of the original 4, but they didn't, they created new characters, and the team happens to be all female.
Now there are some genuinely sexist (and racist) fans out there who have made their feelings known about this project. But consider that many (if not most) fans wanted a diverse team for the next installment.
And we have a diverse team, and they all happen to be female.
Just not in a way that's the exact opposite of what we had. And definitely not in a complete reboot. Though a complete reboot is probably the only context where that would work.
From what I remember, fans wanted a reboot with a whole younger generation being the Ghostbusters, some even being recasts, which is quite the opposite of the older original team. But instead we have the same age range as the original, but all females instead. Not quite the exact opposite.
And a complete reboot is not happening. They are not reinventing anything.
Still, fans don't agree with those two things. And not together, since it means completely abandoning the old characters. Yes, the characters. It'seems not just actors people would miss.
Look, I love the original team as much as the next fan, but it's simply never going to happen. We were lucky to get a video game reunion. But with one of the main writers and actor Harold Ramis passing, at least half the charm of the original team can't come back. Dan Akroyd has worked countless times to bring the originals together, but it never happened because of Bill Murray.
So yes, the original team needed to be abandoned in a sense. I don't see it as abandonment, it simply just makes the most sense to move the concept to new characters, and there's nothing wrong with that, as posters here have said they would wanted similar characters from younger comedian actors, but the moment all the team was made up of women, it's been nothing but sexism.
And as far as the Johnny casting, it was not 100% racism. Not even close.
Actually, it pretty much was.
The vast majority just hated the idea of changing the appearance of a 50+ year old character from a VISUAL medium; a medium where the visuals are, more or less, the the most important part.
And his visual medium has changed countlessly throughout plenty of eras, even to the point of him being switched to a woman. The only think MBJ was different from Johnny was his race, which for the character is pretty fluid.
When you adapt from a visual medium (particularly comic books), you should at least be able to stick to the most basic elements of its visuals. And in no version has Johnny been black. And worse off, they didn't even write the character in FFINO like Johnny, as we know him.
Other than horrible dialogue here and there, Johnny was pretty much written the same as Chris Evans' Johnny. Evans just managed to have more charm.
So it was a double slap in the face. A double slap the likes of which we got when Sony announced they were not only rebooting Ghostbusters (instead of doing the GB3 film we had long waited for), but discarding the old characters and appealing to an entirely different audience.
Not rebooting or discarding the old characters, just continuing the story of the Ghostbuster business from the point of view of different characters, because the original characters was never gonna happen.
And as much as people love Akroyd, Murray, Ramis and Hudson, we loved those characters even more.
The thing about those characters you loved more is that the original actors gave all the charisma, charm, talent, and chemistry that a recast can never recreate. So you may "love the characters" but recasting them would have been worse than the idea of fans thinking an all-female team is so terrible.
 
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