The Next Generation Console Thread

[Havok83]

Sony has now sold 10.5 million PS3s

An Associated Press business article, dedicated mostly to the impending conclusion of that stupid, distracting "format war", has buried in its conclusion some PS3 sales figures. According to the piece, Sony have now sold 10.5 million PS3 consoles since launch. Which is good news for them, as it puts them squarely on track to meet their goal of selling 11 million by the end of March, a target they set themselves last December. Oh, before you go, those who like to dabble in the odd bit of conjecture and speculation should note that it's been Sony policy for a while now to count "sold" as sold, not shipped

http://kotaku.com/357883/ps3-hits-105-million-sold

 

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

 

[Timstuff]

You poor thing. You had to choose between the fugly Xbox 360 and the Xbox 3s**tty

I wonder who woke up one morning and said "You know what'd be great? A barf colored Xbox. Better yet, a barf colored Xbox with gold trim!"

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Sony has now sold 10.05M PS3, but they are still behind the 17.03M from Microsoft.
All in all, if this generation has shown us is that the Playstation name is not as big as we all thought.
If the PS3 wins this generation, MS can only blame themselfs.

One word for Microsoft, advertising!
How does Microsoft wants to continue winning the European market, if they don´t advertise their console?
Europe knows the Playstation name, but they can´t care less about the Xbox, so, unless they start to make their brand recognized, they will lose.....big time.

The 360 is still winning the US and European market (the difference in Europe is not all that, but it´s still pending for MS), the Wii is kicking the PS3´s ass in Japan, so...
Everyone had the idea that MS would win the US, everyone was expecting for Sony to win Japan (the Wii is the Playstation big nemesis this time around, not the Xbox), it´s Europe the stage for the big "war".

 

[블라스]

Wow, Bioshock is great.

 

[DoomRulz]

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/console/xbox360rrodstrikesagain.shtml

RRoD strikes again.

 

[Havok83]

Sony has now sold 10.05M PS3, but they are still behind the 17.03M from Microsoft.
All in all, if this generation has shown us is that the Playstation name is not as big as we all thought.
If the PS3 wins this generation, MS can only blame themselfs.

One word for Microsoft, advertising!
How does Microsoft wants to continue winning the European market, if they don´t advertise their console?
Europe knows the Playstation name, but they can´t care less about the Xbox, so, unless they start to make their brand recognized, they will lose.....big time.

The 360 is still winning the US and European market (the difference in Europe is not all that, but it´s still pending for MS), the Wii is kicking the PS3´s ass in Japan, so...
Everyone had the idea that MS would win the US, everyone was expecting for Sony to win Japan (the Wii is the Playstation big nemesis this time around, not the Xbox), it´s Europe the stage for the big "war".

well the 360 does have a year lead on teh PS3 so its only natural that its ahead. The PS3 gap is quickly closing in Europe and is set to overtake those numbers by summer. It already outsells the 360 in Japan. The US is hte 360's strongest market and were the toughest competition will be faced. But with the recent news of Blu-ray being the winner in the format war, the PS3's big titles coming soon, possible price drop later in the year, things just might tip in its favor

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The Playstation would always win Japan over the 360.
Not because the PS3 is better, or the 360 sucks, but because, why would the Japonese go with a foreign console, when they have two national consoles, and two great ones.

 

[Fading]

I don't think that it's that the Playstation name isn't big still, if anything it's the opposite, ppl were willing to hold off on 360's with a bigger library of games and being cheaper to pay more for Playstations.

I agree with Havok, the 360 had a years lead with no direct competition other than the PS2. The 360 started out strong and is slowly losing steam. The PS3 started out very slow, and only now after a year is it finally really starting to pick up.

I still honestly believe the PS3 will top the 360's numbers in the end. Most likely the Wii will hang on to a very strong lead, unless future price cuts make the 360 and PS3 affordable enough ppl think it's not more of a plunge to buy than a Wii. When I first voted I never thought the Wii would do so well lol. However I do hope Sony learned a lesson this gen in pricing, they seemed to have escaped the fate of other expensive consoles but hurt their brand name in the process.

 

[Zenien]

Sony has now sold 10.05M PS3, but they are still behind the 17.03M from Microsoft.
All in all, if this generation has shown us is that the Playstation name is not as big as we all thought.
If the PS3 wins this generation, MS can only blame themselfs.

One word for Microsoft, advertising!
How does Microsoft wants to continue winning the European market, if they don´t advertise their console?
Europe knows the Playstation name, but they can´t care less about the Xbox, so, unless they start to make their brand recognized, they will lose.....big time.

The 360 is still winning the US and European market (the difference in Europe is not all that, but it´s still pending for MS), the Wii is kicking the PS3´s ass in Japan, so...
Everyone had the idea that MS would win the US, everyone was expecting for Sony to win Japan (the Wii is the Playstation big nemesis this time around, not the Xbox), it´s Europe the stage for the big "war".

Microsoft isn't winning the European market, they're losing it steadily

In fact the PS3 is selling faster than the 360 in the UK, the only market where the 360 can stand up to Playstation.

http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/15067/PS3_Reaches_1_Million_In_The_UK.html

And in less time than it took the Playstation 2.


MCV is reporting that, according to the latest figures from ChartTrack, Sony’s Playstation 3 home console managed to outsell the Xbox 360 last month and break the 1 million units sold mark in the UK.

“It has been outselling 360 for the last four weeks, but they were neck and neck over the Christmas period, weeks 49-52,” ChartTrack director Dorian Bloch told MCV earlier today.

Arguably more impressive than the milestone itself is the fact that it was reached in less time than it took the Playstation 2, one of the best selling consoles of all time.
Feb 13, 2008

News by Karn Bianco.

And the 360 is worse off in every European territory that isn't the UK. The 360 is losing the Europe, there's not really much that they can do about it.

And the UK account for about 20 percent of the Euro market.

With the way things are going you'll continue to see the PS3 outsell the 360 WW, and if anything the way the PS3 is managing to come back just shows the power of the PS brand.

Power of the PS brand, just look at how well the PS2 still does to this day, and with it getting high profile PSP ports, and third parties still making money on it, that's not changing anytime soon.

 

[Kipobe]

Zenien. :heart:

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

Microsoft isn't winning the European market, they're losing it steadily

VGchartz give that the 360 is still ahead on Europe.
It might change, but the numbers are still 5.58M to 4.24M.
As for UK, the 360 as sold 2.01M so far, which puts them ahead of the PS3.
Once again, those numbers are from VGChartz.
That might change, i´m not saying it will not happen, but MS is the only one to blame, there is no advertisement whatsoever, which doesn´t make sense because the Xbox brand is not as known as the PS in Europe.

BTW, the PS3 is selling because the blu-ray, not the games, so, once again, if they lose, it´s their own fault (Microsoft´s).
As a gaming platform, the 360 is outselling the PS3 (it makes sense if you read that a console is mainly a gaming platform, and the 360 sells much more software than the PS3, so, once again, is all MS´s fault.)

 

[Devil May Cry]

VGchartz give that the 360 is still ahead on Europe.
It might change, but the numbers are still 5.58M to 4.24M.
As for UK, the 360 as sold 2.01M so far, which puts them ahead of the PS3.
Once again, those numbers are from VGChartz.
That might change, i´m not saying it will not happen, but MS is the only one to blame, there is no advertisement whatsoever, which doesn´t make sense because the Xbox brand is not as known as the PS in Europe.

BTW, the PS3 is selling because the blu-ray, not the games, so, once again, if they lose, it´s their own fault (Microsoft´s).
As a gaming platform, the 360 is outselling the PS3 (it makes sense if you read that a console is mainly a gaming platform, and the 360 sells much more software than the PS3, so, once again, is all MS´s fault.)

The PS3 has some great games though. Some people, like myself, actually bought it for the games (hmmmm...maybe bad example b/c I bought the 360 too). The PS3 will have ridiculously great games this year. If Sony wins this gen over MS, it will not be because MS did something wrong (unless you count RRoD and even then I think they handled it better than some may have). I wouldn't know about advertisement in Europe...but Bach pretty much said that they are focusing on Europe this year and that Europe will be the place to decide everything. In other words, I think MS has pretty much been on top of a lot things.


By the way, Zenien, I tried going on the GR site and making my avi and whatnot and it led me to the proboards main site. Is there something wrong with the forum?

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

The PS3 has some great games though. Some people, like myself, actually bought it for the games (hmmmm...maybe bad example b/c I bought the 360 too).

Yes, the PS3 has some great games, and people bought it for the games, of course.
But there are a lot on several boards and whatnot saying that they bought it mainly because of the blu-ray, which makes sense.

The PS3 will have ridiculously great games this year.

They will have great games, but so does the 360.
Besides MGS4, i don´t see those "rididulously great games" you talk about.
Tekken 6, Grand Turismo 5, Little Big Planet, but, more than that...

If Sony wins this gen over MS, it will not be because MS did something wrong (unless you count RRoD and even then I think they handled it better than some may have).

If Sony wins this generation will be because of the name it has, and because of the blu-ray.
And the RRoD doesn´t help either, one of the reasons i see the MS not selling more is not because of the PS3 or the Wii, but because many people are afraid to buy a 360.
Not saying that it hasn´t got games to "fight" the 360, but people tend to forget that, last generation, the "console war" was almost inexistant.
The Xbox came out too late in the game, the Dreamcast died too early in the game, and Nintendo was Nintendo, a console for a specific market.

I wouldn't know about advertisement in Europe...but Bach pretty much said that they are focusing on Europe this year and that Europe will be the place to decide everything. In other words, I think MS has pretty much been on top of a lot things.

There is no advertisement in Europe.
I´m from Portugal and there is none, in Spain, for all i know, there is none too, and from what Electro UK said, not even the UK has that much advertisement to begin with.
Microsoft is basically trying to sell a console that 50% of the population doesn´t know about.
But they do know about the Playstation....
I´ve heard, back in last E3, Peter Moore saying that they were going to focus on Europe, that Japan was going to be put on hold, because it´s a very difficult (read:nearly impossible) market.
But the thing is, in 7 month, nothing has changed, besides the Elite and 4 countries having video marketplace.
It´s a good start, if people knew about it....

So, in the end, either MS has the worst marketing people ever, or they have another plan on their hands.
All in all, if they lose, is MS´s fault.

 

[Zenien]

The PS3 has some great games though. Some people, like myself, actually bought it for the games (hmmmm...maybe bad example b/c I bought the 360 too). The PS3 will have ridiculously great games this year. If Sony wins this gen over MS, it will not be because MS did something wrong (unless you count RRoD and even then I think they handled it better than some may have). I wouldn't know about advertisement in Europe...but Bach pretty much said that they are focusing on Europe this year and that Europe will be the place to decide everything. In other words, I think MS has pretty much been on top of a lot things.


By the way, Zenien, I tried going on the GR site and making my avi and whatnot and it led me to the proboards main site. Is there something wrong with the forum?

Check your PMs.

 

[Zenien]

VGchartz give that the 360 is still ahead on Europe.
It might change, but the numbers are still 5.58M to 4.24M.
As for UK, the 360 as sold 2.01M so far, which puts them ahead of the PS3.
Once again, those numbers are from VGChartz.
That might change, i´m not saying it will not happen, but MS is the only one to blame, there is no advertisement whatsoever, which doesn´t make sense because the Xbox brand is not as known as the PS in Europe.

BTW, the PS3 is selling because the blu-ray, not the games, so, once again, if they lose, it´s their own fault (Microsoft´s).
As a gaming platform, the 360 is outselling the PS3 (it makes sense if you read that a console is mainly a gaming platform, and the 360 sells much more software than the PS3, so, once again, is all MS´s fault.)

Two things though:

VGChartz isn't all that accurate
The 360 has been out twice as long as the PS3 has in Europe

If the PS3 was only selling because of Bluray, than the ratio of software sold wouldn't have been at a constant 2 to 1 for an entire year in America. HD DVD only managed to sell 1 million players since inception, including the 360 add on. You're totally over estimating the market for HD movies at this point.

So as I said, they aren't winning Europe.

 

[imdaly]

What's the url for the GR site now anyway?

 

[Devil May Cry]

Check your PMs.

I just did. The site url is slightly different. Imdaly, it's now... http://gamerrejects2.proboards45.com/index.cgi


See ya there. I think I'll make my account after my Thursday OrgoChem midterm.

 

[hippie_hunter]

VGchartz give that the 360 is still ahead on Europe.
It might change, but the numbers are still 5.58M to 4.24M.
As for UK, the 360 as sold 2.01M so far, which puts them ahead of the PS3.
Once again, those numbers are from VGChartz.
That might change, i´m not saying it will not happen, but MS is the only one to blame, there is no advertisement whatsoever, which doesn´t make sense because the Xbox brand is not as known as the PS in Europe.

BTW, the PS3 is selling because the blu-ray, not the games, so, once again, if they lose, it´s their own fault (Microsoft´s).
As a gaming platform, the 360 is outselling the PS3 (it makes sense if you read that a console is mainly a gaming platform, and the 360 sells much more software than the PS3, so, once again, is all MS´s fault.)

The only reason why the Xbox 360 has sold more units in Europe is simply because the Xbox 360 had a very good headstart thanks to a worldwide launch and Sony's delay in the European market.

But the fact is that the Playstation 3 has been selling more units than the Xbox 360 month after month and is poised to take the European market within the first half of this year.

So you can't say that Microsoft is winning in Europe, no matter how much spin is put onto it (like Microsoft has currently sold more units). They're losing it plain and simple.

 

[Fading]

I agree with Zenien, the PS3 is not only selling because of BR even tho BR helps it, or BR's attachment numbers would be far higher. Honestly, we don't know how many ppl are using it just for BR, just for gaming, or both.

When it came to HD DVD the argument was that no one was using their PS3's for BR players, that everyone bought it as a gaming machine so it wasn't reliable. Now with the 360 it's, "Their only catching up because BR won and ppl are just buying them as BR players!". You just can't have it both ways, the arguments why PS3 and BR are doing better just condricit eachother..

My guess is something inbetween. Buying it for games, but BR being the kicker. It playing next gen movies just makes it sweeter, but I think the majority most likely buy it for gaming, but use the BR drive and buy 1 or 2 movies as well. If PS3's were used for movies only then BR movie sales would be in the 10's of millions as there are 10.5 mil PS3's + a few 100k BR players, and ppl would want to buy multiple movies.

 

[The Guardian]

HI GUYS, SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN POSTED BUT THIS JUST MADE ME BUST OUT LAUGHING, I'M SORRY BUT THAT'S JUST EMBARRASSING, LOL!!!D

http://kotaku.com/357951/microsoft-lights-up-gdc-with-red-ring-of-death

 

[Spidey17]

O love how the guy is so deadpan. "That's pretty embarassing". Poor MS. If only they had waited a little more. I wish I could somehow change the past so that they came out a year later. Then there'd be no more RRoD, the Wii wouldn't be so scarce, and Sony could put out more PS3's for their launch. Also, the last generation wasn't really done with, heck, there's still a little bit for us PS2 gamers, while Xbox and Gamecube gamers are just plain screwed. All it is is JRPG's and sports/movie games, but before there was GOWII, FFXIII, and some other great games coming out when the 360 was already out.

 

[Fading]

Ok, nothing fanboy about it one way or another, that's just hilarious. And MS would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling heavy british accent man.

 

[The Guardian]

Ok, nothing fanboy about it one way or another, that's just hilarious. And MS would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling heavy british accent man.

LOL, DON'T BLAME IT ON THE BRITS, REMEMBER EVERY THING THAT HAPPENS TO THE US OR IN THIS CASE A US CONSOLE IS THE FRENCH'S FAULT!!!D

 

[BAH HUMBBUG!]

Not sure if this has been posted here or not. But is is official, Blue Ray has won the next gen personal home movie war.