The Not New Comics Thread!

While I loved the Micronauts comic as a kid (as well as an adult), this was the #$#$ back in 1978, especially to an 11 year old like myself at the time... and if you have the pleasure of reading the first 28 issues of this series... or at least the first 12, then you will be giving yourself the biggest pleasure ride ever (at least, when it comes to comics).

This was simply Bill Mantlo/Michael Golden at their finest... :up:

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Hell yeah!! we must be about the same age. Michael Golden has always been one of my fav artist because of this. i think it was issues 3 where they appeared in our universe running from Karza, right as some kid was cutting the lawn and had to do battle with a lawnmower. With Acroyear busting that *&^%$ up real good! The Fixer, Mentallo and Pyscho man all made appearances. Some really good stuff!

And Rom was awesome and will always be awesome. I loved when they introduced the other Spaceknights like FireFall, Starshine,Hammerhand. Rom and his crew should definitely make a appearance somewhere
 
There is one issue... I can't remember the number... but it's the issue where Rom finally frees himself from his armor. He's living on this paradise world and then of course... everything goes wrong. His body starts to rot away. It's really a good issue.


Anyone remember that one?


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Of course, I own every issue :).

Love Rom...miss him big time.
 
Okay, as some of you know, I bind my comics into my own hardcover books, as can be discussed HERE. Basically, I take around 30 comics, cut out unwanted double sided adds, back covers, etc. and bind them in the order that I'd like to read them. This way, the hardcover books look nicer on a shelf than the white bags, and I'll read them more often.

I've recently bound a large chunk of X-Men comics so I've decided to start reading these through in the order I bound them. These begin during the 90's relaunch and focus on the main X-Men books (X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, X-Men Unlimited) while including other things that I feel enhance stories in those core X-Men books, or characters from those core X-Men Books.

I've called these books the "X-Men Saga" and this first batch of them I call "Mutant Genesis". I have 5 books bound so far and there will be a few more before I start the second era post Age of Apocalypse.


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So book 1 of "Mutant Genesis" is called "Weapon X" and this is the issues inside bound in chronological reading order....

The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X
X-Men 1-3
Marvel Comics Presents 85-92 (the Wolverine/Cyber story)
Marvel Comics Presents 72-84 (the Wolverine/Weapon X story)
Wolverine 48-50
X-Men 4-7
Uncanny X-Men 281-288
Marvel Comics Presents 101-108 (the Wolverine/Nightcrawler story)

These were bound this way for several reasons. First off, X-Men 1-3 was the beginning of the new 90's Jim Lee costumes and it got the whole team together after being disjointed for so many years. It was the launching of the 90's relaunch.

I then included MCP 85-92 because I just really liked the story and this is where it fit best. Looking back now, I kinda wish I'd have left it out, as it doesn't add to the X-Men's story and I'm planning a similar Wolverine bind later... which this would have been better in. I included he cover of issue 90 as the cover to the story and discarded the other covers.

MCP 72-84 is the classic Weapon X storyline, which was a huge deal for Wolverine during this time period. It also tied in with some X-Men stories and is an ongoing plot for all things X from this point on, so I felt it was important to include here. I kept the cover to 72 and used it as the cover for the whole story, removing the other covers.

Wolverine 48-50 is an aftermath of the Weapon X storyline and marks the changing of his costume from the brown one to the yellow one. This begins a long "Mysterious Past of Wolverine" storyline that's still referenced to this day, so that whole storyline is included in my bindings, beginning here and concluding in the next volume.

X-Men 4-7 picks up on a few lose ties from Wolv. 48-50 and introduces us to Maverick and Omega Red. Picking up shortly after Wolverine 50, but taking place prior to Uncanny X-Men 381, this was the perfect place for it.

Uncanny X-Men 381-389 is the introduction of Bishop and is stated in the comics to take place after X-Men 4-7. This is Bishop's entire story from his arrival to his joining the team. And being that he shows up with the team in XMen 8 (meeting Gambit for the first time and accusing him of being the traitor) all of these needed to be here.

MCP 101-108 is a nice Wolverine Nightcrawler story that is referenced in X-Men 7 on the last page, and vice versa, so it feels like it should be here. Plus, with Nightcrawler, Kitty, and Rachel out of the X-Men books for so long due to Excalibur, it's nice to tie them in when possible to keep them fresh in the 'reader's minds'. I've included the cover to issue 101 and discarded the rest of the covers.

And finally, as a bonus, after the last issue I've included a few "Mutant Masterwork" pin ups that I found in the backs of some of the issues mentioned above, as well as the 2 page spreads that were in X-Men 1. Also, while I didn't keep all the MCP covers, I really like all the Weapon X covers, so I included those all in the end of the book as well.

Now, I've recently sat and read all of these and I'll start putting my thoughts on the individual arcs over the next couple days. And I'll continue doing that until I read the final volume that I have bound (Fatal Attractions!).
 
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Those Weapon X comics by Barry Windsor-Smith are awesome. I had no idea how monumental they were when I first read them after my cousin gave me his comic collection, but even as a kid back then, I recognized them as a really fantastic story. :up:
 
I actually never read them previous to binding them, but having skimmed them I thougth they looked boring. Turns out, I loved them way more than I thought I would. But I'll give insight on that when I get to that portion of my review.
 
I want to reread them now. But alas, I've still got about 300 issues of Thor to go.

I finally got to read the arc that introduced Red Norvell earlier today, though. Good stuff. Roy Thomas is a great yet sorely unsung writer of Thor. He's weaving real mythology and the Eternals and all kinds of other cool stuff into the series left and right. He's definitely going on my short list of great Thor writers now, alongside Jurgens, Oeming, and Simonson. :up:
 
The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

X-Men 1-3

The first 3 issues of what is now called X-Men Legacy. This was a monumental arc for several reasons. First, and most importantly, it was the last arc written by Chris Claremont during his classicly good days, ending a 15 year run that was the best in X-Men history. Now, the story here was fantastic, but I can see some of the classic blunders Claremont's known for these days and it makes me wonder if he was beginning to slip even then. The most obvious is the habit of introducing characters without fleshing them out, leaving the reader wondering just who these characters are.

Those are the Acolytes in this story. We know Fabian Cortez rather well, but the others like Chrome, Anna Marie, and DelGado are all a complete mystery. Anna Marie dies in issue one, but then shows upwith the group later. DelGado was actually with the humans against the Acolytes before they joined Magneto but later shows up among them. This was even mocked a bit in story by beast and Wolverine but it's never actually explained. That's frustrating, but the story is good anyway. And it's got Jim Lee on art, so that's another bonus.

The story follows up some storylines on previous X-Men tales regarding Magneto's returning to his semi-villainous ways, and departing Earth to be left alone. However, the Acolytes pull him back in and this is that story. In the end, we are left with the death of Magneto (which sticks for several years) and the departure of that decades long shadow over the heads of the X-Men. It was written well and was very entertaining. It does bug me though that Jubilee is strangely missing from the plot, but oh well.

If anything, that portion of the story felt very much like the older X-Men stuff that took place prior to this and it makes me wonder if I should have included this story as the last tale of a previous bound volume, concluding Claremont's run, but its too late, so oh well. The real reason I included this was that this was the status quo change. This issue marked the beginning of the Jim Lee created costumes, as well as the X-Mansion with the Shi'ar upgrades, such as the holographic Danger Room, the X-Jet, etc. It just felt more appropriate as a new start than a winding down or culminating arc.

Not the best of the stories in this bound edition of the X-Men, but not the worst either.
 
I want to reread them now. But alas, I've still got about 300 issues of Thor to go.

I finally got to read the arc that introduced Red Norvell earlier today, though. Good stuff. Roy Thomas is a great yet sorely unsung writer of Thor. He's weaving real mythology and the Eternals and all kinds of other cool stuff into the series left and right. He's definitely going on my short list of great Thor writers now, alongside Jurgens, Oeming, and Simonson. :up:

One of these days I'm going to have to read the King Thor run through the Disassembled arc that ended that title. I read the Disassembled arc and it was magnificent. And I've heard good things about the King Thor saga so I definately want to do that at some point.
 
The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

Marvel Comics Presents 85-92 "Blood Hungry"

As I said above, this really doesn't fit as well in this volume as it would have in a Wolverine-centric volume. My main goal with this X-Men Saga set is to focus on all X-Men, not to make it such a Wolverine-heavy story. It really coudln't be helped with the whole Weapon X storyline leading into the Mariko/Shiva/Sabretooth storyline that is in the next volume, but this story didn't need to be here at all. However, due to my nostalgia of the tale and loving it for that, I included it anyway. Fortunately it doesn't take away from the volume, so no biggie.

This was a story written by Peter David (X-Factor) and drawn by Sam Kieth (the Maxx). It is the first appearance of the Wolverine villain Cyber and it shows a bit of Wolverine's animalistic nature when he still has it under control. I do suppose this works well in the volume, at least, in that it shows a controled animal instinct, where he begins to lose that before long due to his whole Weapon X mind thingies.

The story is good, though a little cartoony at parts, and it really does feel a bit frightening. You really get he idea that Cyber is a bad due from Wolverine's past,though he dosn't really remember him well. Cyber's introduction is the only longterm thing to come out of this tale, otherwise it's fairly forgetable, but still good. Rereading it after years has reminded me of why I like it, as it's a human nature piece focused on Wolverine... not to mention I'm a huge fan of Sam Keith's art. And of course, it's Peter David.
 
The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

Marvel Comics Presents 72-84 "Weapon X"

It's funny how this was supposed to be the big reveal of Wolverine's mysterious past, but we just keep revealing his past more and more as the years move forward :)

Anyhow, this was a great story both written and drawn by Barry Windsor-Smith (who I best know for his work on Rune). At first glimpse I thought this story would be boring, but it's actually very well thought out, crafted, and drawn... and even though the tale is old and we all know it, you can't help but to feel a bit frightened by it.

The focus of the story are on the main 3 doctors/scientists who created Logan as Weapon X... or Project X as it's sometimes refered to in the story. These are the characters who really shine for me because we get to see their perspectives on how right or wrong this project is. Cornelius believes that this is wrong but for the sake of science does it anyway. Hines feels bad for the test subject (Logan) and is the most human of the three. The Professor is cold hearted and simply looks at Logan as a lab rat.

The fun of the story really begins when they begin testing Wolverine on mental simulations involving themselves, animals, etc. Seeing the beast that Wolverine was during this time period is frightening, but even being that out of control, hints of the real Logan shine through at times, reminding you that the project does not defeat him over time and that he's a stronger character than that.

I like how at times the story leads you to believe one thing is happening and then it turns out it wasn't at all, but then something else was happening, etc. Very well crafted in that reguard. However, the ending was just chilling when you realize that Logan's final rampage on the facility and on the Professor, Hines, and Cornelius, was one-hundred percent real. You're left believing them to be dead, but it was done in a way that leaves it open for interpretation... and it's a good thing too because all three of these characters come back to haunt him later in this and the next volume.

Great story, probably my second favorite of this volume. Definately a recommendation for those who haven't yet read the story. Very deep and mental. And I'm guessing it was much darker and bloodier than typical X-Men or Marvel Comics Presents stories of the time.
 
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I'm tired so that's enough for tonight. I might get more up tomorrow. But for now I think I'm going to shower and keep going on Book 2 of Mutant Genesis :)
 
The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

Wolverine 48-50: "Dreams of Gore"

While a very important story in the history of Wolverine, and by connecton, the X-Men, I felt this story was a bit choppy and discombobulated. It is the follow up to the Weapon X storyline and brings back both Hines and the Professor from said story, which was interesting because we learn they survived Wolverine's final rampage. And while Hines is left alive after this story is finished (and if I'm not mistaken, this was her last appearance in general) the Professor meets his untimely demise at the hands of Silver Fox. However, the Professor must be good at dodging death because I know he doesn't die here either, since he returns in a later story in MCP with Wolverine and Typhoid Mary.

As for first appearances, this story's biggest is Wolverine's love interest, Silver Fox. This is the story where the Cabin and whether or not they were really a couple prior to the memory implants begin. We also meet Shiva for the first time, which is a series of deadly cyborg robots who have the task of hunting down rogue members of the Weapon X program. They were hunting Wolverine in this issue and fail, but as the Professor dies, he initiates all the Shivas and they take off after their next target, Sabretooth... who also went through the mindwipes that Wolverine and Silver Fox went through.

As I said before, an important part of Wolverine history, but the time between each issue felt jumpy and odd for me. But the art was good and the story itself was good as well.

Also, issue 50 is the point that Wolverine gets rid of his Brown costume, which he had been wearing for a good long time, and starts wearing his Yellow Costume that he dones for the rest of his time until Morrison came along and changed it up.
 
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The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

X-Men 4-7 "The Omega Red Saga"

There is a LOT going on in this story. The most important being that it is the first appearance of Omega Red, but it also introduces Maverick, has Longshot and Dazzler playing in the background building up the Mojo storyline in issues 10-11 (which is bound in the next volume), and brings in villains Fenris, Matsuo, and Sabretooth... who Cyclops alerts is being hunted by the Shiva units from Wolverine 50. Sabretooth laughs it off, but it shows good continuity between X-Men and Wolverine, and Sabretooth and the Shiva's confrontation comes down the line (also in the next volume).

Besides the awesome debut of Omega Red, there's 3 things that really stuck out for me in this storyline...

1) Basketball! I love it when the X-Men just let their hair down and have some good old fashion fun in the form of sports. In issue 4 we see Gambit and Jubilee against Wolverine and Rogue in a game of Basketball, which gets a little explosive as powers are introduced into the game.

Sadly, this ends up being the final straw leading to Moria MacTaggert leaving the Mansion, feeling grief over some past crimes with Magneto, but nonetheless, it was worth it.

2) The Upstarts! I always loved the Gamesmaster and the Upstart competition, and it comes into play here. While Gamesmaster doesn't show up, we do have Fenris and Matsuo attempting to become noticed by the Upstarts as to join them on their quest for immortality. That is the whole reason why they have resurrected Omega Red in the first place. Fortunately, (and I say that because I don't care for Fenris) nothing really comes of it. They are never considered real members by Gamesmaster or Selene and are looked at as a bit of a joke in later Upstart storylines. Matsuo, I get the impression, wasn't realy after the same goal as Fenris, so no biggy there. And the way I have my stuff bound, this was the first mention of the mysterious Upstarts, so that's very cool for me.

3) Dr. Cornelius from the Weapon X story shows up here, the final of the 3 to be revealed as alive after Wolverine's final rampage. He is aiding Fenris and Matsuo and is obviously at odds with it, just as he was at odds during the Weapon X program. In the end he hopes to undo what he did in Weapon X by destroying the project (namely, Wolverine). An obviously torn and conflicted character, I really enjoyed seeing him back... that is, until Maverick puts a bullet in his brain. And unlike the Professor, Cornelius stays dead.


And speaking of Maverick, he's always been one of my favorite characters, and he gets a great opening storyline here. We learn that he was a part of the crew Wolverine and Sabretooth were a part of way back when and he's obviously a key figure of Logan's mysterious past.
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This was probably my favorite story in this entire bound volume. The story was great and the art was phenominal (Plotted and drawn by Jim Lee, dialogue by Scott Lobdell). Great character introductions with Omega Red and Maverick, great appearance by Sabretooth and continuity tie-ins with Wolverine 50 and a scene showing that it takes place prior to Uncanny X-Men 381, which was the Uncanny issue that began the 90's relaunch along with X-Men 1. And the return of Dr. Cornelius was also great. And I've always liked Matsuo, so him being around was also cool.

Great story, loved it. A 90's classic (and not in the cliched bad way... but a good way :))
 
The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

Uncanny X-Men 381-388 "The Coming of Bishop"

There's actually several stories in this run of comics but the main thing is that it's the story that introduces Bishop and sees him joining he X-Men.

In the first arc, 381-383, we're introduced to Fitzroy as he and his Sentinels slay Donald Pierce, the Reavers, several Hellions, and puts Emma Frost in a coma (the famous coma that lasted until just prior to Generation X). This was a great introduction for the new villain, and even better for me as it was a big play for the Upstart storyline, which as I stated above, I love.

And speaking of the Upstart competition, the real first appearance of the Upstarts was in X-Factor 68 or so when Shinobi Shaw killed Sebastian Shaw. Well, I didn't want that in the previous volume and would rather have had it here where the Upstart storyline reallys starts (due to Fenris in X-Men 4-7 and Fizroy here) and being that Shinobi is a player in this first arc, I decided to cut out that Shinobi/Sebastian page from X-Factor and placed it just prior to the beginning of this arc.

This was a good story and a great introduction of characters; including Fitzroy, Bishop, Bantam, Malcolm, and Randall. Just all around good. We also get our first cameo appearance by Gamesmaster, a major player of the Upstart competition, and our first sign that Selene is the one in charge of it.

My only issue with this is the same as the rest of this run, the writer really likes to hear himself talk. It's kinda the same reason I dont' care much for Alan Moore's writings. Just shut up and tell the story.

The next arc in 384-386 isn't so much about Bishop as it is about Colossus finding his brother Mikhail Rasputin, long thought dead. It isn't a bad storyline but it just didn't do much for me. Honestly, the only parts about it that I really liked were Bishop's small cameos, and Sunfire's role. I've never really been a big Sunfire fan, but he really rocked in this arc.

The most notable thing in this story was that Peter gets his brother Mikhail back, who returns with him to the X-Mansion for future storyline purposes, which I'll get to eventually.

And the last little story in this run, issues 387-388 is the best of the set if you ask me, 387 specifically. This is the story where Malcolm and Randall are killed and Bishop joins the X-Men, realizing that he still has much to learn, and comes under Storm's leadership. Issue 387 is the main story with 388 being the aftermath of it, but 387 was just awesome and possibly one of my favorite comics of all time. First off, it's key to the X-Men history, as Bishop joins the team, the last brand new character to join with severe lasting power (you could argue Marrow, but she wasn't anywhere near as long as Bishop). Also, it was the issue that introduced the traitor to the X-Men story with Bishop, Malcolm, and Randall finding the Jean Grey recording just before she dies (which is later seen being made in Onslaught: X-Men). We're introduced to 'the Witness' who Bishop believes to be Gambit (but turns out to be a character unique to himself), and as I said earlier, it's the deaths of Malcolm and Randall.

And as a bonus, this was the first issue (though it was a guest aritst at the time) drawn by John Romita Jr. who becomes the main artist for several years shortly after this... and to this day is still my favorite X-Men artist (though I'm not exactly thrilled with his art nowadays).

Good stuff, Classic run.
 
The X-Men Saga: Mutant Genesis Book 1: Weapon X

Marvel Comics Presents 101-108 "Male Bonding"

And now to finish out Mutant Genesis Book 1. This was a fun story focused on the first reunion between Nightcrawler and Wolverine since the X-Men were revealed alive after their pretending to be dead over the past several years. It's not a deep story or anything, but it's led into a bit in X-Men 7 and it's nice to get the Excalibur crew in the main X-Men story when I can to keep them involved in the ongoing story of the team.

Basically, Nightcrawler returns to his home in Germany due to Monsters being seen, all in connection to the death of his step-brother Stavros, who died long ago by snapping his own neck with Nightcrawler's tail after killing children and people who he claims were monsters hinding under their skin.

Turns out he was right and those Monsters are around in Germany, though it's not exactly how you might expect.

A dark story but a good one. I'm not a big fan of the art by Gene Colan but it isn't horrible either. It kinda reminds me of a mix of Ha (who did Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix) and whatshisname that drew Spider-Man 2099 and a lot of Cloak and Dagger stuff, Leonardi I think.

A good story, Glad I included it.


And that wraps up my first bound volume of X-Men.
 
Ok. Can you bring something that's not X-Men? You don't see me pushing FF every post.


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The point of the thread is to post the older comics you're reading. I'm currently reading a straight run of X-Men and some related X-Men books, so that's what I'm posting about. And I'll have more soon as I'm already halfway into my second bound volume and will finish it sometime this week most likely.

Feel free to post a ton of FF if you want, I don't mind.
 
I just finished a huge mega-arc that comprises the 270s through #300 of Thor, plus a couple annuals. It was mostly written by Roy Thomas and mostly drawn by Keith Pollard and Chic Stone. It was also, in a word, fantastic. It's the kind of enormous story that you only used to see in older comics, when creators were generally around for much longer runs (the modern exception, of course, being Brubaker's mega-story in pretty much the entire current volume of Captain America).

Basically, this is the story that ties Marvel's mythological characters together. There's the Celestials, the (or a) history of Asgard, unknown events from Thor's past come to light, a connection between Brunnhilde the Valkyrie and Thor from those past events, Ragnarok, the Eternals, the Olympians, the first appearances of the Council of Godheads and Red Norvell, Marvel's version of the Nibelung/Volsunga Saga and other stuff. Oh, and apparently Thor fought in the Trojan War. :hehe:

Awesomeness all around.
 
And what was the average word per panel? I bet there were bookoos!!!


Why I loved Byrne's run on FF and disliked Millar's run of FF.


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There's a lot of text. Some of it is the annoying kind that describes what you can already see from the art, some of it is the oddly conversational segues that were all over comics up to around the late '80s or early '90s, but most of it flows well enough.

Fun facts:

- Thor's spirit was reborn as both the mortal Siegmund and Siegmund's own son Siegfried
- Brunnhilde fell in love with Siegfried and committed suicide when he died by leaping on his funeral pyre
- The ring of the Nibelungs became the Odinsword
- The reason it's said Ragnarok would fall if anyone other than Odin unsheathed the Odinsword is because of the curse on the ring of the Nibelungs
- The neverending cycle of Ragnaroks that became the basis for Oeming's final arc of Thor vol. 2 and Ages of Thunder debuted in this run, which was published back in the late '70s
- The idea that gods and man are inextricably tied in mysterious ways goes back to this era as well--Zeus outright states that the gods would die if mankind did and Odin outright states that Thor could never expand Asgard's influence by conquering the Olympian gods because the Olympian gods exist for Greece and the Greeks for the Olympians
- Odin is a manipulative bastard on a scale that puts Loki to shame
- The Celestials are jerks
 
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Since Jay Faerber was recently talking in a bought/thought thread, I thought I'd look at some of his past work. I noticed besides Dynamo 5, one of his longest runs with a comic was Titans 21-41.

I got this Titans run of comics on ebay many years ago for a real good price, but never read it. And, since I've been severely disappointed with both of the recent Titans and Teen Titans series for quite some time, I thought it was a good one to look at. I wasn't disappointed. I read issues 21-25; and, while it's no Marv Wolfman, it's hands down much better than anything you'll read now.

Even though I was coming in to some storylines quite late, Faerber quickly got me caught up on the action. Cheshire's going on trial for killing someone, and people are out to hush her up. (This ongoing story still wasn't resolved in the five issues I read...which was nice. It's cool to have an ongoing side story, keeping the reader involved week after week, even with other stories coming to the forefront.) The final three issues I read began another storyline, "Who Is Wonder Girl?" It culminates on a double-sized 25th issue, which brought past Titan writers together (Wolfman included). I loved the cover art on issues 23-25, and felt things were picking up nicely with Faeber's writing. My biggest complaint would be issue #25 felt a bit rushed, and the transition between issues 24 and 25 had some stuff missing. Still, nice focus on Wonder Girl, and issue #25 did a nice job of giving me an insight on her past.
 
Not too old but I got the Christos Gage Union Jack mini from 3 years ago for a buck a piece at a convention.I read them recently and I loved them!I never really paid attention to Gage all that much before but now I'm Probably be chacking out his stuff more.My only exposure to union jack before this was Captain America #18-21 and I didn't think much of him.But I love the whole working man/man of the people angle Gage does here and he really fleshs out who Joey is.Mike Perkins art as always is flawless and this mini made me love Joey chapman.By the way is he in the Captain Britan series that was recently canceled?If so I'm gonna have to check it out.
 
Yeah, that Union Jack mini was pretty damn good. I'm surprised we haven't another, since it was pretty well received. Man, was that already 3 years ago??!!?? Time goes by fast when you think about it in terms of when some of these comics go by...or, in having kids.

WAAAYYYYY off subject...I've been thinking recently...especially since I'm a bit past 40 with 2 kids....when you're younger, it just feels like you have so much time ahead of you, and deciding to have kids is one of those things you tell yourself, "That's something I can decide on somewhere down the road." You don't realize that when you have children, time is a much more precious commodity, and you want to be with them and see them for as much of the time as you can spend. Guess what I'm saying is don't put off having children, because even though I didn't have my daughter too late in life, having her born when I was 35 just makes me think how long I have without her when I eventually pass away.
 
I'm 20 now and my Girlfriend and I have discussed that if we stick together then we'd try to have kids in our late 20's early 30's latest.
 
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