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The Obama Thread (Merged x6)

Who should Obama pick as his VP?

  • Edwards

  • Clinton

  • Richardson

  • Bieden

  • Kucinich

  • Dean

  • Kerry

  • somebody else


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Obama is slowly starting to lean towards VP Clinton. A resounding "No" at the notion a month ago became, "I'll keep my options open." Its bound to happen, I think. Obama cannot afford to spend the summer fighting a war on two fronts. The media has declared him the nominee for about a month now and Clinton supporters have not jumped ship. I doubt an unoffical, "Obama is official," will do much to bring her supporters over. Clinton's support will hold at about 40-45 % of the party. Obama cannot afford to deal with nearly half of the party against him all the way through August. I think the only way to get her out is to make her VP, and I'm not sure he will. Gonna be an interesting summer.
 
Obama is slowly starting to lean towards VP Clinton. A resounding "No" at the notion a month ago became, "I'll keep my options open." Its bound to happen, I think. Obama cannot afford to spend the summer fighting a war on two fronts. The media has declared him the nominee for about a month now and Clinton supporters have not jumped ship. I doubt an unoffical, "Obama is official," will do much to bring her supporters over. Clinton's support will hold at about 40-45 % of the party. Obama cannot afford to deal with nearly half of the party against him all the way through August. I think the only way to get her out is to make her VP, and I'm not sure he will. Gonna be an interesting summer.

He may not have a choice.
 
I think it was 60% of Clinton voters that would vote for Obama without Hillary's blessing so lets not (in my opinion) overstate her importance. Plus looking at the stark difference between Obama and Mccain and the independents, the general election is a different game.
 
I'll assume you mean hatred for Obama? I believe that's a minority position. He can make up for that with a high voter turnout and bringing in independents and disenchanted republicans that don't like Mccain anyway.
In any case he has time to try and convince them. Let's see if he can do it. I certainly think he can.
 
Yes they will. All the people who honestly believe that in 5 months from now, these people will still be bitter and vote for McCain are kidding themselves, the same way you were kidding yourselvesd when some of you said the supers would give it to Hillary and not Obama. Hillary in October will get a lot of shine for campaigning for Obama, same way Oprah did. This coupled with McCain and Obamas vasttttt differences on policy while Hill n Obama are about the same...will garner Obama atleast....70% of the votes Hillary would gotten.

As for her "popular vote lead", thats just another contradiction to add the the huge list of the ones she's made. Ok, she broke the rules but her votes count. Obama follows the rules and thats called "forfeiting"?? Stop silencing the voters of Michigan who wanted to vote for Obama. We all know if his names on the ballot, he still leads popular vote. And because it was not on not due to personel prefernce, but following the rules of the DNC, it cannot be called forfeiting. That would not be accurate, but at this point I know full well some will never get past their stubburn biasness aginst him.

As for his speech...meh. The last few minutes were good, but nothing will hold a candle to his Iowa speech or one from the convention in 2004. Still way better than Clintons or that joke McCain made (seriously, is that his best? if it is, he's in for a rough campaign) so its all good.

Whatever, cant let this crap get us down, we have our nominee and its the one the majority wanted myself included; if ya'll Obama haters wanna whine thats cool, it wont change the fact that hes the nominee, same way all the debates that Hillary could still win didnt change what has been inevitable for months: the Obama would be the nominee. Its time to move to on from this crap and focus on getting Obama a win so we dont have another joke of a presiden who runs up our national debt and unemployment rates, and all that other **** thats started to go bad.
 
I'll assume you mean hatred for Obama? I believe that's a minority position. He can make up for that with a high voter turnout and bringing in independents and disenchanted republicans that don't like Mccain anyway.
In any case he has time to try and convince them. Let's see if he can do it. I certainly think he can.

No I mean hatred for Hillary Clinton. Some people are so deadset against her that they can't even admit that having her on the ticket with him may be the best thing for the party.

His problems with the largest most loyal voting bloc of the Democratic Party are still prevalent. It is incredibly naive to believe that he can make up for that with all of these "new" votes and those who don't typically show up on election day.
 
Yes they will. All the people who honestly believe that in 5 months from now, these people will still be bitter and vote for McCain are kidding themselves, the same way you were kidding yourselvesd when some of you said the supers would give it to Hillary and not Obama. Hillary in October will get a lot of shine for campaigning for Obama, same way Oprah did. This coupled with McCain and Obamas vasttttt differences on policy while Hill n Obama are about the same...will garner Obama atleast....70% of the votes Hillary would gotten.

As for her "popular vote lead", thats just another contradiction to add the the huge list of the ones she's made. Ok, she broke the rules but her votes count. Obama follows the rules and thats called "forfeiting"?? Stop silencing the voters of Michigan who wanted to vote for Obama. We all know if his names on the ballot, he still leads popular vote. And because it was not on not due to personel prefernce, but following the rules of the DNC, it cannot be called forfeiting. That would not be accurate, but at this point I know full well some will never get past their stubburn biasness aginst him.

As for his speech...meh. The last few minutes were good, but nothing will hold a candle to his Iowa speech or one from the convention in 2004. Still way better than Clintons or that joke McCain made (seriously, is that his best? if it is, he's in for a rough campaign) so its all good.

Whatever, cant let this crap get us down, we have our nominee and its the one the majority wanted myself included; if ya'll Obama haters wanna whine thats cool, it wont change the fact that hes the nominee, same way all the debates that Hillary could still win didnt change what has been inevitable for months: the Obama would be the nominee. Its time to move to on from this crap and focus on getting Obama a win so we dont have another joke of a presiden who runs up our national debt and unemployment rates, and all that other **** thats started to go bad.

Umm, blue collar and elderly voters are notoriously on the fence. They can jump very easily and they are ultimately the demographic who decides elections.
 
And I am very confident that within 5 months, he'll be getting them.
 
And I am very confident that within 5 months, he'll be getting them.

Only one Democrat in the past five elections has won that demographic. And suprise, suprise, the only Democratic president. Obama has been rejected by these demographics time and time again. To blindly say "He will win," is kinda naive.
 
Thats true, but I dont think he'll need it. If shes there, cool. If not, no big deal. He;s the most effective campaigner Ive watched in a while and has a mountain of cash, no demographic is out of his reach.
 
Thats true, but I dont think he'll need it. If shes there, cool. If not, no big deal. He;s the most effective campaigner Ive watched in a while and has a mountain of cash, no demographic is out of his reach.

Ex. Stop for a minute. You cannot buy the presidency. It doesn't matter how much money you have, if people don't believe in you YOU LOSE. Look at Romney, he had all the money in the world - who became the Republican nominee? A man whose campaign was near death.

I realize now that Obama is the nominee your bias has skyrocketed but let's get real here.
 
Only one Democrat in the past five elections has won that demographic. And suprise, suprise, the only Democratic president. Obama has been rejected by these demographics time and time again. To blindly say "He will win," is kinda naive.

Obamas lost because Hillary had more appeal. We dont know yet if its that they dont like him or liked Hillary more. It says nothing about how hell compared to McCain. Besides, Obamas proven much stronger candidate than Kerry or Dukakis. He's winning with no coalitions of demographics of voters those guys never touched; saying this group will decide the election might be naive given that nothing has gone as predicted thus far.
 
Obamas lost because Hillary had more appeal. We dont know yet if its that they dont like him or liked Hillary more. It says nothing about how hell compared to McCain. Besides, Obamas proven much stronger candidate than Kerry or Dukakis. He's winning with no coalitions of demographics of voters those guys never touched; saying this group will decide the election might be naive given that nothing has gone as predicted thus far.

Blue collar voters ARE the largest most reliable voting bloc in the general election. That's a fact Ex.
 
Ex. Stop for a minute. You cannot buy the presidency. It doesn't matter how much money you have, if people don't believe in you YOU LOSE. Look at Romney, he had all the money in the world - who became the Republican nominee? A man whose campaign was near death.

I realize now that Obama is the nominee your bias has skyrocketed but let's get real here.

Obama is not Romney. Everywhere he goes his poll numbers went up and it was due to his mountain of money that went to advertising. The Obama-Romney comparison so honestly a joke; Obamas proven to be 10x the campaigner Romney ever was.

Seriously guys, I get it. You dont like Obama. This thread isn't "worship and kneel before Barrack", but I find it off that any pro Obama post in the Obama thread is almost always attacked by one of a certain individuals; but then you guys spout how we're biased :whatever:

Whatever, this is a time for celebration! HE WON! From a lil younger chilling onthe beach...

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to a Presidential Nominee...

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I. Am. Pumped! :up: :up:
 
I missed Obama's speech due to severe weather in my area...but did Obama really say he would heal the earth and all that nonsense? I'm watching MSNBC After Hours and I'm finding myself actually agreeing with Tucker Carlson. (Somebody please smack me!)

He made an excellent point - "All these young people and those starbucks baristas who idolize him like he's jesus are really going to be letdown when he doesn't walk on water!"

Tucker went on to say that "there really is no limit to Obama's rhetoric." I'm beginning to believe that.
 
Obama is not Romney. Everywhere he goes his poll numbers went up and it was due to his mountain of money that went to advertising. The Obama-Romney comparison so honestly a joke; Obamas proven to be 10x the campaigner Romney ever was.

You made the point that if Obama spent enough money he would gain that bloc's support. I am saying that's not true. I envoked Romney as an example. His spent millions trying to gain support and he failed. It's a fair comparison.

Seriously guys, I get it. You dont like Obama. This thread isn't "worship and kneel before Barrack", but I find it off that any pro Obama post in the Obama thread is almost always attacked by one of a certain individuals; but then you guys spout how we're biased :whatever:

Oh get off it Ex. I get tired of reading about how great and pretty Obama's speeches are and how evil Hillary Clinton is. You seem to forget there is still the other half of the party that doesn't support him.

You wonder why Clinton supporters can't bring themselves to support Obama? It's because of die-hards that are constantly insulting them and calling the woman they whole-heartedly support vicious names. It was just the other day at a campaign event that Obama mentioned the how great Clinton was and the crowd booed her.

I certainly wouldn't shake someones hand when they just slapped me in the face.
 
True, but considering that the GOP brand is at an all time low in terms of popularity, 2008 should have been a guaranteed victory for the Democrats.

But instead the Republicans played it smart by nominating someone who has a reputation of going outside the party lines and has a good reputation in general and the Democrats played it dumb by having their nomination finally decided until the last two contests. Now it's going to be a very close edge with an advantage towards McCain right now.

When Obama started his run, Clinton was the hands-on favorite and he was a nobody. She was predicted to win the nomination by nearly every political anal-yst on the planet. Yet he ran a smart campaign and wound up displacing her as the top candidate. If he's able to focus all of his attention on McCain without Hillary interfering, he very well could do the exact same thing and McCain isn't even the odd's on favorite at this point but just a strong contender who may be able to put up a good fight. I think people continually underestimate Obama and his team of campaign advisers, even to this day.

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You made the point that if Obama spent enough money he would gain that bloc's support. I am saying that's not true. I envoked Romney as an example. His spent millions trying to gain support and he failed. It's a fair comparison.

Money for ads doesnt mean **** if the stuff in the ads doesnt work. It didnt work with Romney. Its worked with Obama; Indiana is a prime example.

Oh get off it Ex. I get tired of reading about how great and pretty Obama's speeches are and how evil Hillary Clinton is. You seem to forget there is still the other half of the party that doesn't support him.

Well I dont know where you read about pretty his speeches are but it cant be here. 3/4 of the Obama thread is Anti Obama. Its made up of debates over how the blacks will go to Hillary, how young people dont vote, and then it turned to how Hillary will still win, to how Hillary will get all the supers, to how the supers will change for Hillary.

And that "half the party doesnt support him" isnt accurate at all. They didnt support him against HILLARY. Thats over. I am pretty certain a lot more than half the party supports him against McCain and thats what matters ;) :up:

You wonder why Clinton supporters can't bring themselves to support Obama? It's because of die-hards that are constantly insulting them and calling the woman they whole-heartedly support vicious names. It wasjust the other day at a campaign event that Obama mentioned the how great Clinton was and the crowd booed her.

I certainly wouldn't shake someones hand when they just slapped me in the face.

Huh? At the speech tonight she got a huge cheer. I know you didnt see it, but thats what happened :up:
 
And that "half the party doesnt support him" isnt accurate at all. They didnt support him against HILLARY. Thats over. I am pretty certain a lot more than half the party supports him against McCain and thats what matters ;) :up:

And you think the rift within the party is just going to go away because Obama is named the nominee? You are delusional man. It doesn't work like a light switch. You can't just turn off all of the hard feelings.

Huh? At the speech tonight she got a huge cheer. I know you didnt see it, but thats what happened :up:

Umm...I'm not talking about tonight, now am I? They can all cheer now because he won.
 
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