The Official Batman Returns Thread

[Two-Face]

Well it's no secret BTAS producers wanted to do a show based on Tim Burton's Batman movies.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I did a bit of digging a while ago. During an interview about Returns,Burton revealed that his ideas came from Arkham Asylum. Penguins grotesque appearance spawned from the characters in it, especially Clayfaces grotesque look. Their symbolic meanings was used for Catwoman. Burton actually spoke with Grant Morrison about his ideas. Ill try and find it again.

 

[returntovoid]

^I'd like to see a pic of The Penguin in Arkham Asylum.

I found out that there was a grotesque version of The Penguin in Dark Victory, also.

 

[The Joker]

^I'd like to see a pic of The Penguin in Arkham Asylum.

They did that in the comics, too:

 

[returntovoid]

They did that in the comics, too:

What exact comic book, is that from???

By the way, in my previous post, I was asking about The Penguin in Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum graphic novel.

 

[The Joker]

What exact comic book, is that from???

Detective Comics #628.

By the way, in my previous post, I was asking about The Penguin in Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum graphic novel.

I know. I'm just pointing out that Penguin being in Arkham is not as rare as alot of Bat fans sometimes think. He's one of the few Batman villains who's done time in Arkham as well as regular prison.

It's good to see Morrison acknowledge it, too. Penguin is very underrated in the last decade.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I found the interview piece from Burton.

Q. Did any of the comics help you in anyway for Returns?

TB. Yes, actually. I was really impressed with the graphic novel, Arkham Asylum A Serious House on Serious Earth. I personaly called the writer,Grant Morrison and we talked over the phone. He actually gave me some tips on The Penguins appearance,cause this was before production started and I was the one who had to come up with Penguins visual look. I told Grant my ideas and he was impressed,but those ideas couldnt have been created from my mind,if I didnt read that novel. It really appealed to me,the entire concept of itl just blew my mind and I wanted to use that concept in the movie.".

 

[Two-Face]

EDit

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Well it's no secret BTAS producers wanted to do a show based on Tim Burton's Batman movies.

Um... wrong.

The only thing the producers used the Tim Burton movies for was as the basis for the argument that it was better to go darker with Batman for success, even in children's animation.

The visuals of The Penguin and Catwoman were merely a studio mandate... In fact, Bruce Timm was not that big a fan of the Batman Returns script in general.

Bruce Timm:

it's utter nonsense -- wild fan speculation granted bogus "legitimacy" by being posted on wikipedia....irritating!.....never in a million years would we have considered using max schreck in B:TAS....we had the opportunity to read the BATMAN RETURNS script while the movie was in production, and i for one HATED the script, did everything in my power to distance us from the movie continuity...(i confess i kinda liked the movie itself when it came out, but still)...

http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=3342616#post3342616

Regardless... however the producers feel about Burton's movies, they certainly did not want to BASE the animated series around them.

 

[Two-Face]

Yes but the show was based on Burton's take........ hence the draker tone...........

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Well yes... the only gift the Burton movies gave Bruce Timm et al was the opportunity to go darker... thanks to the success of Batman (1989).

 

[Brother Jack]

Other than a few characters and the 40's/art deco feel, TAS doesn't have a whole lot in common with either Burton films. You could say that the darker tone was in place because of them, but that wasn't really inspired by the Burton films.

 

[El Payaso]

They had the Burton/Elfman theme, a quite similar Batmobile and the deformed Penguin with long hair in that particular duck-mobile shipping the sewers was obviously based on Burton's take. Also the blonde Catwoman and the Joker being gangster Jack Napier.I'm not saying they based TAS on Burton only, but too many burtonian elements were there.

 

[returntovoid]

I was just looking clips for fight scenes from Tim Burton's Batman films on YouTube to compare with the Nolan films.

But all I could find was this clip from Batman Returns that includes fights scenes and I got to say, these fight scenes are superior.

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[The Joker]

Are you deliberately trying to start a Nolan vs Burton arguement in here?

 

[returntovoid]

Are you deliberately trying to start a Nolan vs Burton arguement in here?

No, I'm not. Just sharing my opinion.

 

[The Joker]

Uh huh, you come in and make a random post comparing Nolan's and Burton's movies to eachother.

Ugh. Moving on.

Anyone else love that Returns was set at Christmas time? I love the snow effect on Gotham City. It makes for some beautiful imagery. Especially in the scenes on the snowy rooftops of Gotham. And at Penguin's Zoo lair.

 

[returntovoid]

Anyone else love that Returns was set at Christmas time? I love the snow effect on Gotham City. It makes for some beautiful imagery. Especially in the scenes on the snowy rooftops of Gotham. And at Penguin's Zoo lair.

Yeah, I thought the snow looked visually cool.

 

[Fresh Prince]

They should do a mini BTAS like how they gonna do next year with Batman Beyond...But it could be a TDKR feel as Bruce Wayne is in his 50s and back fighting crime in Gotham City as Batman...Have that 1980s crime noir and atmosphere though.

 

[mothy]

Anyone else love that Returns was set at Christmas time? I love the snow effect on Gotham City. It makes for some beautiful imagery. Especially in the scenes on the snowy rooftops of Gotham. And at Penguin's Zoo lair.

i love the winter setting. (i'm a winter person) it's a key reason why i love batman returns. it's burton through and through. and as you say, it provides beautiful imagery.

 

[union_jak]

Ironically enough, Batman returns showed that Penguin was born inherintly evil. He was days old when he killed a cat for fun.

Oh whoops, I forgot about that.

That's right. Penguin has always been a tortured mind who was rejected by society. Burton just upped the ante, and made him a full on freak, who is alot more bitter and twisted, and wants to punish society alot more than just rob them blind.

The only thing that was missing was an explanation as to why Penguin had an affinity for umbrellas. But it's a very minor complaint. The umbrella weapons in Returns were so badass. Especially the Umbrella-Copter.

Surely if you lived in a damp sewer where water constantly dripped on you, you'd want an umbrella too!?

 

[Two-Face]

They should do a mini BTAS like how they gonna do next year with Batman Beyond...But it could be a TDKR feel as Bruce Wayne is in his 50s and back fighting crime in Gotham City as Batman...Have that 1980s crime noir and atmosphere though.

That would be a TDKR movie.

 

[The Joker]

Surely if you lived in a damp sewer where water constantly dripped on you, you'd want an umbrella too!?

Touche salesman

 

[manhattanl]

I loved this film, mainly for what they did with the villains in capturing what they and most of the Rogues Gallery is about. Outcasts who fight back against the status quo. The Penguin being the “freak” who seeks revenge on those considered “above” him and Catwoman, the abused who just won’t take it anymore. Love them.

 

[Bat Attack]

Okay, so I was watching Batman Returns the other night and something struck me. When Max Shreck goes to see the Penguin right before he reveals the Campaign office he says "Your extended family...could have a family". What does he mean by that?